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Obama Won Ohio in 2012 With Fewer Votes Than McCain Received in 2008
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Posted on 11/07/2012 11:17:25 AM PST by Arthurio

Obama Won Ohio in 2012 With Fewer Votes Than McCain Received in 2008

Ohio 2008: John McCain 2,677,820 votes (46.8%)

Ohio 2012: Barack Obama 2,672,302 (50.1%)

Source for 2008 Results: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Ohio,_2008

Source for 2012 Results: http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results

Romney doing worse than McCain (nationwide) was noted on some other threads, but some have cautioned that many votes still remain to be counted. But Ohio is 100% in, so we can make a very easy and stark comparison.


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 11:17:31 AM PST by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio

Mitt= Bob Dole...Sarah 2016


2 posted on 11/07/2012 11:19:33 AM PST by chicken head
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To: Arthurio

McCain > Romney? bad > worse? Ouch.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 11:20:04 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Arthurio

The media and all the anti-Romney spammers here can be happy now that conservative voter turnout was depressed


4 posted on 11/07/2012 11:20:28 AM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: Arthurio

I’m sticking with the Mormon theory. Ohio has enough conservative Christians for it to make a difference. Same with FL and VA and NC.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 11:20:38 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: Arthurio

Palin was on ticket last time


6 posted on 11/07/2012 11:22:00 AM PST by delchiante
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To: Democrat_media

Was conservative turnout depressed or is the total pool of Republican voters just shrinking? I wonder if someone has the answer. If turnout was the problem, that can be fixed. If it’s a shrinking pool, we have a significant problem to fix.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 11:23:47 AM PST by Nicojones
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To: 1rudeboy

McCain > Romney + “not again”.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 11:25:17 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: Nicojones

the pool of Republican voters was pretty large in 2010....


9 posted on 11/07/2012 11:25:40 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: chicken head

I’d campaign hard for her.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 11:26:25 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Arthurio
HOW can that be?

Just another totally implausible fact coming out of this very strange election.

11 posted on 11/07/2012 11:26:46 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Arthurio

That is the weirdest thing I have seen so far. How is that possible? McCain was just awful. Mormon thing? Best explanation I have seen at this early juncture.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 11:28:48 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: Crimson Elephant

I think you are correct. There is quite a bit of anti-Mormon stuff here on the religion forum and much of the right is evangelical.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 11:29:28 AM PST by MarMema (eh.)
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So the evangelicals didn’t show up either?


14 posted on 11/07/2012 11:29:42 AM PST by KavMan
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To: Nicojones
We could have won this one but the media and anti-Romney spammers here(and those like them) depressed conservative voter turnout.This was our last chance to win an election. there is a foreign immigrant invasion going on legal and illegal (i see the cities overrun with foreign immigrants). Only chance we might have in 2016 is to run Rubio/martinez (she's a hispanic conservative woman). Hispanics, blacks, immigrants women went heavily for obama. Still we conservatives had low turnout . if we had turned out in higher numbers we would have won though.
15 posted on 11/07/2012 11:30:31 AM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: God luvs America

Yes, but where are we now? What is the total number of registered republicans in 2012 What is the percentage of them that voted in 2012? Likewise, what is the total number of registered dems and what percentage voted in 2012. If we met or exceeded them on a percentage basis, then we have too small of a current pool. We would need to bring more into our tent. If our percentage is lower than the dems, but the totals are relatively the same, then we just need to improve GOTV efforts.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 11:30:41 AM PST by Nicojones
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To: 9YearLurker

Me too- If she ran I’d be on the streets campaigning for her— She would win!!!!!!.. I think Sarah knew in her gut to stay out of this one- It’ll be differ in 2016 when everyone is eating out of dumpsters..


17 posted on 11/07/2012 11:30:53 AM PST by chicken head
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To: skeeter

I don’t know to what extent, but I’m sure some fraud went on.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 11:31:00 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Arthurio

So lets see just how smart Ohioans are: The auto workers think Obama bail out nation is better for them than R/R energy nation.

And the Ohio evangelicals are more obsessed with Mormonism than they are Socialist Black LIberation Theology. How is that Biblical in any way, shape or form?


19 posted on 11/07/2012 11:31:21 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("DONE: The GOP Establishment Has Now Lost 2 In a Row")
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To: Nicojones

The state has rebublican govenor and congress. Makes no sense. Also didn’t OH vote down Obamacare? What also doesn’t make sense is the ralley’s for Romney in OH were reported to be much larger, early voting was said to be up among Republicans, and there were tons of tweets of increased turnout in Republican counties


20 posted on 11/07/2012 11:31:31 AM PST by zt1053
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To: Arthurio

Maybe this is why....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKUpBmnJDDU


21 posted on 11/07/2012 11:32:10 AM PST by oust the louse (Obamacare has morphed into a tax on staying alive.)
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To: Arthurio

Not that it matters all that much, but doesn’t Ohio have 130,000 provisional & absentee ballots they said was going to take 10 days to receive and count.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 11:32:13 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Arthurio

As per every election since 1964, the pct as decribed below is repeated

The Ohio relationship continues - National Pct: Obama 51.1 Romney 48.9 ; Ohio Pct: Obama 51.0 Romney 49.0 - Dems underperform.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2944697/posts


23 posted on 11/07/2012 11:32:34 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Arthurio

I guess Muslim > Mormon


24 posted on 11/07/2012 11:32:34 AM PST by CatOwner
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To: Arthurio
As always, there are likely multiple reasons.

One big reason in Ohio that gets overlooked -- the Ohio legislature, dominated by Republicans, passed Senate Bill 5 to stick it to unions. The unions gathered signatures & put it on the 2011 ballot then turned out big to repeal it.

There are a lot of union members & households in NE Ohio who could potentially vote Republican & have before (i.e. "Reagan Democrats").

However, the GOP was tarnished over what happened with Senate Bill 5 & the unions did not forget.

Not the only reason for last night. But I maintain it's a bigger one than people suspect.

25 posted on 11/07/2012 11:33:00 AM PST by gdani
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To: Arthurio
Still have to count the absentee and provisional ballots. I expect that will result in a lot more than the 5,500 difference you're looking at now.
26 posted on 11/07/2012 11:33:24 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: God luvs America
"the pool of Republican voters was pretty large in 2010."

Yeah, but millions of low-information voters don't pay much attention to mid-terms.

But when the Messiah is running, telling them "those folks gonna take your free shit away", it is an entirely different game.

27 posted on 11/07/2012 11:33:56 AM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: Arthurio

Also democrat voter fraud


28 posted on 11/07/2012 11:34:25 AM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: chicken head

I didn’t see her campaigning for Romney or much for anyone else this election - or am I wrong ?


29 posted on 11/07/2012 11:35:41 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: zt1053

Like several others here, I’m really suspicious about some of the outcomes of this election, after the huge crowds that Romney drew. The fact that there were malfunctioning voting machines really worries me—yes, we caught the ones that showed the vote changed to Obama early on, but who’s to say what happened after the fact, after the voter had cast his/her vote, especially in Democratic regions. This whole election stinks, and I’m fed up with the damned Republicans, and Romney, for not really examining this more closely.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 11:36:08 AM PST by binreadin
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To: Perdogg

I just don’t see how it is possible with all the stories yesterday of long lines and packed GOP voting districts. I don’t recall stories like that in 2008


31 posted on 11/07/2012 11:36:37 AM PST by jbwbubba
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To: Arthurio

Still 300,000 absentee and provision ballots.

http://dispatchpolitics.dispatch.com/content/blogs/the-daily-briefing/2012/11/7-november-2012-—provisionals.html


32 posted on 11/07/2012 11:37:12 AM PST by publius1 (Just to be clear: my position is no.)
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To: Arthurio

Still 300,000 absentee and provisional ballots to be counted.

http://dispatchpolitics.dispatch.com/content/blogs/the-daily-briefing/2012/11/7-november-2012-—provisionals.html


33 posted on 11/07/2012 11:37:41 AM PST by publius1 (Just to be clear: my position is no.)
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To: Arthurio

Still 300,000 absentee and provisional ballots to be counted.

http://dispatchpolitics.dispatch.com/content/blogs/the-daily-briefing/2012/11/7-november-2012-—provisionals.html


34 posted on 11/07/2012 11:37:46 AM PST by publius1 (Just to be clear: my position is no.)
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To: zt1053

voter fraud?...who is watching the counters? Who is calibrating the machines? What is the process? Why did Betty Sutton Lose and Sherrod Brown and Obama won? Did they only calibrate the wins for Brown and Obama?
Why did Obama sound so sure of himself when he told Russia on the hot mic that he had greater flexibility in his second term?
Is Betty Suttons loss the real reflection on how this election should have gone?


35 posted on 11/07/2012 11:38:19 AM PST by oust the louse (Obamacare has morphed into a tax on staying alive.)
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To: PMAS

Well, she voted for newt.. I dont think she likes mittens— mabe cause he is a liberal? I dont know


36 posted on 11/07/2012 11:38:19 AM PST by chicken head
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To: PMAS

She also wasnt invited to speak at the RNC eather— hum


37 posted on 11/07/2012 11:40:07 AM PST by chicken head
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To: Arthurio
Literally millions of McCain voters stayed home this time. Even though Obama lost 20% of his 2008 voters, Mitt still couldn’t win. So, all these McCain voters really stayed home, and nobody can convince me that they have fallen in love with communism in the last four years.

They must hate Romney so much that they just couldn’t bring themselves to vote for him, even though they probably wanted Obama to go. Why do they hate Romney? Are they hardcore conservatives? Some perhaps, but that is not enough reason to cause such hatred. I think it is either

  1. because he is a Mormon, or
  2. because he is filthy rich.
Both of these things can cause strong dislike in some people. Caused by religious reasons, or envy, respectively.

So, at least it isn’t demographics or anything else that is impossible to change in the foreseeable future. Just nominate a poor evangelical, next time…

38 posted on 11/07/2012 11:41:49 AM PST by cartan
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To: Crimson Elephant
"Romney was successful in energizing his base: conservatives accounted for 35 percent of all voters today, one-point higher than in 2008. And he captured 82 percent of them (McCain got 78 percent). White born-again Christians made up 26 percent of the voters today and 78 percent favored Romney (for McCain it was 74 percent)."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/07/fox-news-exit-poll-summary/#ixzz2BZFBcj2Z

39 posted on 11/07/2012 11:42:47 AM PST by PghBaldy
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To: Arthurio

It’s all about branding. Clinton went on every Talk show, even on MTV, Bush got kissed by Oprah. McCain never saw a microphone he didn’t love. It’s all about getting out there. I think a lot of folks who don’t really follow this stuff were like Mitt who? I think ideology is secondary to “rock star” tactics.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 11:43:45 AM PST by Homer1
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To: Arthurio
This is just baffling. I saw with my own eyes the lines, and heard a continual stream of comments from other people in "red" precincts talking about the lines in Warren and Butler and Hamilton Counties.

I think I may have an idea as to why the disconnect. It occurred to me this morning when I was re-thinking my voting experience yesterday. All of the precincts that voted at the same location used to go to different tables and had their own voting booths. Yesterday, they combined four (in our case) and put all booths against a single wall. I'm not sure, but I think they REDUCED the number of machines, which would slow the process down. In addition, rather than four women taking IDs and checking names, it was only two.

I'm looking into this. It would explain the so called "turnout" when in fact there wasn't any.

41 posted on 11/07/2012 11:43:50 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Rusty0604

Ya think?


42 posted on 11/07/2012 11:44:34 AM PST by funfan
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To: Arthurio

Turnout looks like it was terrible for Romney. 4 million less than Bush 2004, 2 million less than McCain.

Obama meanwhile is at John Kerry levels, making him beatable.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 11:44:42 AM PST by gore_sux (Al Franken - Preferred by Minnesota Educated Somali Pirates and Suicide Bombers Everywhere)
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To: chicken head

Are you one of those true conservatives that stayed home and did not vote in this election? Just asking


44 posted on 11/07/2012 11:46:13 AM PST by dirtymac
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To: Nicojones; diogenes ghost

the GOTV effort turned out to be a myth yesterday...i voted and will continue to vote yet when the GOP calls me for money i tell them the same thing every time- when you start fighting for me the way i fight for you then i will donate....seems some conservative voters felt the same and decided not to vote yesterday....

fact is the GOP has offered little in the way of results or alternatives the past two years...some of this shit is easy- boehner should tell obama tomorrow “we will roll back the Bush tax cuts in return for a repeal of obamacare”- its win/win for the GOP yet to simple for them to try and they probably consider it a bit dangerous...


45 posted on 11/07/2012 11:47:18 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: PMAS

Also go compair the peeps at sarahs RNC 08 speech to mittens and ryans— not even close!! Sarah wins hands down.. If the GOP runs liberals and moderate canidates, they will loose everytime..If eveyone would rally around Palin and stick to her she would win in 2016— I really believe that— I said way early on mitt was gonna loose cause hes a liberal


46 posted on 11/07/2012 11:51:04 AM PST by chicken head
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To: Arthurio

Looks like Evangelical Christians stayed home.


47 posted on 11/07/2012 11:52:22 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Obama didn't fix it!)
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To: Arthurio

Let’s not forget the Communist Democrats specifically set out to depress the white conservative vote.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 11:55:50 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: Democrat_media

anti-Romney?

We just weren’t pro-Romney

We didn’t hoist this candidate on anyone, the Pro-Romney people are totally responsible for the narrative that only Romney can win.

He did worse, let that sink in.....worse

And McCain was the moderate of the moderates in the Congress. Mr. Moderate himself.

Learn already


49 posted on 11/07/2012 12:02:25 PM PST by dila813
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To: zt1053

The state has rebublican govenor and congress. Makes no sense. Also didn’t OH vote down Obamacare? What also doesn’t make sense is the ralley’s for Romney in OH were reported to be much larger, early voting was said to be up among Republicans, and there were tons of tweets of increased turnout in Republican counties
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Its white guilt plain and simple. Thats why none of this adds up and never will. Like you mentioned OH is more of a red state now than in 2008 yet re-voted for a man who has shown himself to be way far left, hurt the economy and passed horrible HC bill most people in OH rejected.

Nobody wanted to see the light skinned, non-threatening, seemingly “Nice” first black man as President go down as a failure in history. This is something that is so engrained in this culture people partaking in it don’t realize the patronizing way they treat minorities.

Thats why all the polls seem to say YES THIS ECONOMY SUCKS, YES ROMNEY WOULD DO BETTER AT FIXING IT, YES I HATE OBAMACARE, but went and voted for Mr. Weepy anyway.
Sure those tears were fake to illicit sympathy.


50 posted on 11/07/2012 12:05:09 PM PST by snarkytart
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