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Posted on 11/07/2012 10:42:53 AM PST by BornToBeAmerican

First off, I am not a conspiracist, but after the untold reports of record turn-out, we still fell short of a million or so votes that McCain got. REALLY? I know plenty who sat 2008 out, but not a single soul who sat out this one.

Oh, there is a lot here blaming Romney and I will be the first to say that he was about my last choice, but I was more than impressed with the way he handled his campaign. It was clean, truthful and honest. The GPO convention was more than I could have dreamed for.

Was I living in a dream land? I guess so. I thought that the two big wins that Scott Walker had against the Unions was big. I thought Chic-Fil-A was Huge!! Then you had Bengahzi, the soaring debts, contiued unemployment, dismal GDP and a health care system that no one wanted.

Yet, we lost. Why? Was it because of a moderate Romney? I don't think so. Romney was about as far right as you could get when compared to 0.

So what was it? Well we all know if we are true to ourselves. The MSM. The very same people that dem Pat Cadel slammed as enmemies of the State. The same people who would not question 0 about Benghazi in any capacity. They let it slide, just like they have everything since 0 showed his face.

They have not vetted 0 once; but rather blatantly defended him in any capaicty they can. 0 told countless lies during the last several weeks. What did the MSM do, but run with them. Guys, it is time we learn and fully understand who our real opponent is.

So who would or rather COULD have one last night? A REAL CONSERVATIVE? Perhaps but I doubt it.

I think we would have had heaps of enthusiasm and a record turn out and a dismal loss like last night with the MSM gloating as they are today. There is nothing that even hints that it could have been anything different. The MSM would have slain whoever it was; this person would have had all of the support of everyone who lives and breathes for freedom and love of country, but we would have still lost.

They have painted a pretty ugly picture with no easy way out. Things like this don't usually end pretty, but they do end.

I say the dream lives, and America is only as dead as your will to fight for her.


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 10:42:54 AM PST by BornToBeAmerican
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Liberate ourselves from the unholy alliance of leeches and liberal white women who only care about free birth control and their queer BFFs.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 10:46:31 AM PST by Augustinian monk (People ask me 'Why pray if God is sovereign?' Why pray if he isn't?- Michael Horton)
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To: BornToBeAmerican
I know Obama sucks as a President, but he happens to be probably the best campaigner of our generation.

The GOP just happened to run into that. It happens.

This was the Dems golden child and his numbers were close to Bush 2004. That's the good news, there's no candidate for the Dems who will ever bring in numbers like that again. I know lots of FReepers are bringing up the demographic shift, but that too will not be enough for the Dems in the near future when someone other than Obama is running.

Throw in the economy will be in the toilet for the next few years and your gonna have a real 'change' here soon.

The key things are to get your personal household affairs in order. Finance, spiritual, physical and mental.

3 posted on 11/07/2012 10:48:05 AM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

It really does boggle the mind. I get that the turnout #s must have been wrong, but to get LESS than McCain four years after the crisis?

That make no sense.

I have to wonder if the Mormon thing was a bigger deal than most wanted to believe....mainly in Ohio, Florida, Iowa and Wisconsin?


4 posted on 11/07/2012 10:48:21 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Yep. I think we may have moved not center left, but center. The Democrats pretend to be for defense, low taxes, etc to pull voters in who are somewhat conservtive in terms of government. It could be center left, but I think this is more to do with the celebrity/worship of the ‘great man’. I see that a lot from supporters. They buy the imagery.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 10:52:31 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: Theoria

You have to admit he doesn’t really need to run ads he has the MSM in his pocket!!! this campaigning only in Swing states is killing us!! Reagan campaigned in almost all the states!!!


7 posted on 11/07/2012 10:52:41 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Crimson Elephant
I have to wonder if the Mormon thing was a bigger deal than most wanted to believe....mainly in Ohio, Florida, Iowa and Wisconsin?

There is some tap dancing going on today by some talkers trying to avoid that issue (at least in Iowa), but based on what some of my evangelical co-religionists said to me this cycle, anti-Mormon bigotry alone kept some "conservatives" from voting for Mitt Romney.

Mr.niteowl77

8 posted on 11/07/2012 10:54:44 AM PST by niteowl77 (Getting stuck with other peoples' just desserts good and hard for over 50 years.)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Mitt Romney didn’t carry his own state of Mass.
Paul Ryan didn’t carry his own state of WI
76% of the HIspanics voted for Obama when their bishops told them the Catholic Church asked them to vote for Romney.
92% of blacks voted for Obama, when many of their pastors paraded in the street asking them NOT to vote for a candidate who embraced same sex marriage. I think the Americana Culture has shifted far to the sewer, and people are seeing things on Internet, and have a life style that they WANT abortions, same sex marriage, marijuana. Values are a think that is scoffed at, and Education is based upon an atheist world view that is most definitely different than the Founding Fathers. MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR MCCAIN, WERE ACTUALLY VOTING FOR SARA PALIN...LET’S NEVER FORGET THIS.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 10:55:29 AM PST by rovenstinez
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Those stories of record turn-out were lies tweeted by the GOP establishment. Simply put, the data says it never happened. In red precincts, the people who count the votes are likely to be right-leaning themselves, so there was no conspiracy. The northeastern GOP establishment gave us another RINO in the mold of Dole and McLame, and enough people in the grassroots said “no thanks.”

Data shows that, where turn-out was indeed high in allegedly Republican-leaning suburbia, it was single white girls who voted for free birth control and abortion.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 10:55:59 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: Theoria; All
I know Obama sucks as a President, but he happens to be probably the best campaigner of our generation.

The GOP just happened to run into that. It happens.


don't forget to factor in the impotent GOP and the way they fight like little girls...the fact they came unprepared to handle obama or the criminal liberal media despite their experience from four years ago...the fact they let the rats set the narrative that we are all racists, women haters, hate illegals and have no response...the fact that we (the Tea Party) delivered them a huge victory two years ago, when things seemed bleaker then they are today, and they thanked us by giving us a big F-U....

the combination of the two is the perfect storm and until the GOP grows a pair, nothing will change as i don't think we in the Tea Party will be able to save their sorry butts in 2014...

the other thing is Congress- despite stopping obama, has offered little in the way of alternatives for the American people...Boehner is a failed leader, like obama, yet does nothing as his/our side gets all the blame, unlike obamugabe...

once again because of their stupidity the GOP has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory...
11 posted on 11/07/2012 10:56:06 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Theoria

” Throw in the economy will be in the toilet for the next few years and your gonna have a real ‘change’ here soon.

The key things are to get your personal household affairs in order. Finance, spiritual, physical and mental.”

For the near future, a Republican couldn’t get elected dog catcher in a national election.

We are facing a seismic shift. The left has taken over the culture. People that are 20something and below firmly believe that socialism is superior to capitalism.

The media will cover for any mistakes, or intentional misdeeds by Obama. Bad things, such as high prices, high unemployment, decaying infrastructure, will be termed the “new normal”. They’ll say, yes, it’s bad, but it can’t be any better, and don’t ever let a Republican take office or it will get worse.

The American public knew Romney was better on economy. The public also thought the economy was our most pressing problem. But, Obama promises free stuff, so they voted for him.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 10:58:05 AM PST by brownsfan (It's over.)
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To: God luvs America

The republican party was taken in the Clinton era by democrats changing their affiliation but not their democratic party views.

That’s where RINOs come from.

The GOP doesn’t care about you or any other conservatives.

They were not in to win, but to give the illusion of a two party system.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 11:00:05 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Rush said Romney got 2.5 million votes less than McCain. That is incomprehensible to me. Herman Cain said there were 6 million conservatives who sat out 2008 because McCain was so weak. So all told, there are apparently 8.5 million Republican voters out there who were so little concerned with the future of our country that they couldn’t be bothered to vote yesterday. Really?


14 posted on 11/07/2012 11:01:51 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: BornToBeAmerican

You need a “Vision Thing”.

Reagan had it, and succeeded famously.

George H.W. Bush did not, and failed.

Bob Dole ran as a competent manager, and lost.

George Bush had a vision, first of “Compassionate Conservatism”, and then later of defending America, and he succeeded.

Barack Obama has a vision of fundamentally tranformorming America, but John McCain did not. Even though Obama’s vision was repellent to any thinking person, vision beats no vision.

Up until October 15, Romney ran as the Competent Administrator. No vision means no victory.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 11:02:12 AM PST by gridlock (Tea Party Haiku: If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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To: BornToBeAmerican; Kristin; Neil E. Wright; Jeff Head; Travis McGee
Easy answer: The takers ("gimmes" as I call them) have become too numerous to turn back the tide of socialism. They will only increase - our Constitutional Republic is NOW officially dead.

If you have assets, look to protect them because now that the socialists are more empowered, they will find a way to confiscate them. It's coming. I'm thinking Cayman Island since Switzerland is no longer a safe haven. Do your due diligence. Every man for himself...good luck to you and yours. And for you who would call me a quitter, know that I have been fighting against this for decades. I'm done...over and out.

16 posted on 11/07/2012 11:02:40 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever Against All Enemies - Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Politico is reporting that Obama did not suffer an erosion of Jewish voters either.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 11:03:04 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Fire the republican party.

They are losers and traitors.

They are pushing us onward to global government, under a communist system because their contributors— the transnational corporations made into megamonsters by our ‘free trade’ legislation— demand it.

Obama has invited the UN to ‘observe’ our election. It is just the beginning of globalist conversion of our sovereign nation to a communist state under global authority.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 11:03:58 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Regarding the media, being gang-raped by Obama’s Islamist thug friends sort of woke up Lara Logan. Not saying that should happen to other media people, but agreeing with Yuri Bezmenov that the only wake-up for demoralized (having no morals/right and wrong) people is a boot to the butt.

When female media people and celebrities are covered head to toe in a burqa and whipped if they go in a room with a non-related male, and when the males are hung for being gay or required to shave their rectal area.... under the “American Spring” Obama’s buddies are planning for us.... these people might wake up.

Might.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 11:05:55 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Those stories of record turn-out were lies tweeted by the GOP establishment. Simply put, the data says it never happened. In red precincts, the people who count the votes are likely to be right-leaning themselves, so there was no conspiracy. The northeastern GOP establishment gave us another RINO in the mold of Dole and McLame, and enough people in the grassroots said “no thanks.”

Data shows that, where turn-out was indeed high in allegedly Republican-leaning suburbia, it was single white girls who voted for free birth control and abortion.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 11:05:59 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: A Navy Vet

And how to we retrain our citizens to crave freedom? Only the older generations know how. When they are gone, all hope is gone.

How do we resist communism? Doesn’t your military training include something of that nature?


21 posted on 11/07/2012 11:06:30 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: BornToBeAmerican

The Pubbie candidate in 2016 will have to be an educator and a salesman...or saleswoman. The tide has turned..there are now more takers than producers. The Pubbie candidate will have to sell conservatism. Can it be done? I have my doubts. Too many Americans now believe Big Government is the answer to their problems. They don’t want to be told to work for a living. Doesn’t look good.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 11:08:17 AM PST by driftless2
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To: GBT1945

Although I believe in and support the Tea party, all the the Tea party candidates lost that I know of. The country has moved left, with all the illegals, third worlders, and those receiving government candy, plus the liberals. Also, the MSM was cheerleading for O every day and gave up any pretense they ever had toward being objective. You should have seen the blatant advocacy on Yahoo, for example. We have a different country now than we had even 5-10 years ago.


23 posted on 11/07/2012 11:11:26 AM PST by NotTallTex
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To: BornToBeAmerican

States with Strict Photo ID Enforcement:

Kansas, Indiana, Tennessee, and Georgia!

Gee Obama didn’t do to well in those states.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 11:11:50 AM PST by acoulterfan
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Obama has transformed America by buying the vote with taxpayer money and the main stream media did its part by deceiving the public.

We will have to pay the price under a radical left wing Supreme Court, government run health insurance that will be unaffordable, a weakend dollar under the Federal Reserve’s continuous quantitatitative easing, loss of our military security, increasing wars, eventual massive inflation and bankruptcies (both government and private) and more unthinkable horror.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 11:21:21 AM PST by Enough is ENOUGH (Need investigative jounalists to name & give background on each & every owner/bd mbr of the MSM)
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To: NotTallTex

Everyone is too busy to teach their children and to make sure others are taught about freedom.

Everyone is too busy to step in and do the grunt work it takes to keep the government constitutional.

Everyone is too busy to defend freedom at home so when our soldiers come home from defending us, they find they have been defending a myth.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 11:22:23 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: gridlock

Remind me where the main theme Reagan had to deal with was two attention whore nutty senate candidates saying stupid things about rape. That a womans body can shut it down if it was legitimate, or that her getting knocked up was gods plan.

That was apparently a BIG success with women voters. Reagan never had to deal with such insurrectionist lunacy from within.
The economy is a disaster, we are about to have the military gutted, coal is about to be outlawed, Taxes are about to shoot up, we had one shot to stop Obamacare, electricity prices are going to skyrocket, the dollar is in growing danger of losing it’s reserve currency status, Israel will be attacked soon because they know Obama will cut them loose, the Iranians are about to get the bomb, and Obama is embracing the muslim brotherhood. There is open discussion in egypt about tearing down the pyramids and Christians are actually being crucified again,,,,,,and these two bozos managed to make the medias “war on women” meme take wings.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 11:37:28 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Well, take a look at the Democrat campaign. We have a poor economy, high unemployment, high gas prices, a failed and dangerous foreign policy, falling house prices, GM goes bankrupt, constant scandals with Pigford and green bailouts, etc....and Obama runs a campaign saying “You know me” and “You can trust me!”, neither one of which is true. Yet, he wins. Somebody voted for him. The older I get, the more people I run into who want to teach me a lesson. They’re going to teach me a lesson for getting a job they wanted. They’re going to teach me a lesson for disagreeing with them. They want to teach me a lesson for not giving them a deal on something they wanted. Lots of teachers in this country. Obama is a teacher. He’s going to teach us that, “Elections have consequences”. That’s going to be a hard lesson for all of us. If you want to teach people lessons, sign up to teach a Sunday School class. If you want to keep the Democrats out of your pockets, vote Republican.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 11:37:57 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: hedgetrimmer

How do we retrain citizens to crave freedom?
Well, they need to hurt enough. These women that bought the “war on women” theme and feel so smug today. If they are under 40, they have no memory whatsoever of 18 and 19% mortgages, of grinding unemployment, of odd even days at gas stations and “no gas” signs.
They have only known the Reagan prosperity, and the “Clinton” properity which was actually the Newt and rise of the internet prosperity. Daffy duck could have been president from 92-2000 and would have seen the economy explode from the whole dot.com era.

They do not realize how bad it can be. They will experience it. And when they hurt enough, they may, like the citizens of the USSR, be finally ready for doing the things that successful nations do.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 11:54:48 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

IMO, we lost for one reason, and one reason only, more people voted for Obama than for Romney. Sounds simplistic, but we have crossed the threshold and there are more on “their” side than on ours. They include those on the “take”, those who simply are not informed (by choice...as in those man on the street interviews on Jay Leno shows which show exactly how uninformed the general public is), those who say they listen to become informed, but are knowingly misled by the media, and then there are those insiders, who seek power and control.

This is just part of a post I saw on a friend’s FB page, it speaks to those who have succumbed to the redistribution lie.

“All those who voted for Mr. Obama seem to believe they have provided for themselves a government funded future, but in reality they have booked first class passage on the USA Titanic.”


31 posted on 11/07/2012 1:22:11 PM PST by memyselfandi59
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To: Augustinian monk

Our country has descended to a level of illiteracy that our country is lost. Nobody cares about having a democracy or a free market economy. The race is so close that no one is concerned about jobs, the economy, trade, immigration, the drug war, or the budget. Nobody cares about our country and where it’s headed anymore. This will be the last generation that will even remember what America felt like when people were free. After this election we will become so dependent on government that we’ll slowly morph into a socialist Banana Republic where the majority will be on the dole. Our republic lasted just less than 200 years so it was a short period of time. WE were the first democracy in the world and will probably be the last. Everything will all be down hill from here—enjoy it these final days because it is fading.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 1:22:27 PM PST by will2476
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To: DesertRhino
Remind me where the main theme Reagan had to deal with was two attention whore nutty senate candidates saying stupid things about rape.

Surely equally stupid things were being said back in 1980. But Reagan was not defined by them because he had alrealdy defined himself long before he ran for President.

Where is Mitt Romney's "A Time for Choosing"? Where is the modern Republican broadside against Socialized Medicine?

In order to get people to agree with your positions, you have to state your positions and convince them. Instead our politics have become all about gotcha "gaffes" and minutia.

It reminds me of Supreme Court nominations where the President goes out to find a stealth nominee who has said absolutely nothing about anything, because that is the way to win 50 votes in the Senate. Well, the electorate doesn't work that way. If you want them to vote for you, you have to tell them what they are voting for.

33 posted on 11/08/2012 5:01:48 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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