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Divided GOP Resulted in Obama Victory
politicaloutcast.com ^ | November 7, 2012 | Michael Minkoff

Posted on 11/07/2012 9:53:26 AM PST by forbushalltheway

As we all know, Barack Obama has been re-elected for a second term. Right about now, Republicans need to ask themselves, “What went wrong?” How could Obama have won? His track record was abysmal. The economy is tanking, unemployment continues to rise, civil government debt has reached a level from which we will probably never be able to recover, foreign relations in the Middle East have only become more treacherous… On almost every issue upon which Obama campaigned, he has proven worse than his predecessor. Yet he has been elected for a second term. Why?

Let’s look at the numbers. The race was almost split 50/50. Obama got less than one percent of the votes more than Mitt Romney. Of interest, libertarian Gary Johnson got right at one percent. Gary who? Right. How did a guy with almost no presence during the primaries get one percent of the votes? The only other Libertarian to get this much traction was Ed Clark in 1980 with 1.1 percent. But this wasn’t so much a victory for the Libertarian Party as it was a loss for the GOP. How did Gary Johnson get so many votes? Ron Paul. Sorry, but that’s just the truth.

Most disillusioned Ron Paul supporters chose either to not vote, to vote for Gary Johnson, or to write in Ron Paul even though such a vote would be largely symbolic. But before you start talking about how lame Ron Paul fans are, let’s really assess this issue.

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1 posted on 11/07/2012 9:53:29 AM PST by forbushalltheway
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To: forbushalltheway

He may be right. Instead of bringing faction luminaries into the fold, inviting them to speak at the convention and treating them with respect, Romney stiff-armed them. Lots of disgruntled folks out there. He forgot that the party is a coalition and that he needs to make nice with those factions if he wants all of them to show up to vote.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 9:57:14 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: forbushalltheway

Obama won because he won 80% of the non-white vote. A vote which will increase every election as the white vote shrinks. They will continue voting Rat just like they do in California which btw just elected a super majority of rats at the state level.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 9:57:47 AM PST by Silver Sabre
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To: forbushalltheway

Alas, he starts with the hypothesis that Libertarians are just misunderstood Republicans. Actually most of them are stoners. Their natural ally is the Democrat party ~


4 posted on 11/07/2012 9:58:08 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: forbushalltheway

I think the forty seven million people on food stamps had a tendency to vote for Obama.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 9:58:52 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: forbushalltheway

Divide and conquer has worked for the Dems a long time.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 10:00:52 AM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: Silver Sabre
So, white boys are unable to procreate these days?

Getting more serious a moment, supposedly the Dems now want Puerto Rico admitted to statehood.

Taditionally we've bounced one new state against another ~ got one for you ~ EASTERN CALIFORNIA, Two new Republican senators for the foreseeable future in that one. PR is competitive in a way CA isn't.

7 posted on 11/07/2012 10:01:46 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: forbushalltheway

Having read the article, I’m gonna say he’s wrong. No one has a monopoly on idealism. It’s just that everyone’s ideals are different. A lot of Romney voters will stay home or vote Democratic rather than for a Mourdock because they don’t share his ideals. Ditto with Ron Paul.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 10:02:30 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: muawiyah

Libertarian = Liberals that like drugs and guns, but don’t want to pay taxes.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 10:02:37 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: forbushalltheway

Having read the article, I’m gonna say he’s wrong. No one has a monopoly on idealism. It’s just that everyone’s ideals are different. A lot of Romney voters will stay home or vote Democratic rather than for a Mourdock because they don’t share his ideals. Ditto with Ron Paul.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 10:03:35 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: OldNavyVet

“I think the forty seven million people on food stamps had a tendency to vote for Obama.”...

All buy design. Redistibution doncha know to seal the deal for the little socialist.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 10:03:43 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: forbushalltheway

Yep, overall turnout was down. I’m afraid many of the folks we heard here went out (or didn’t go out) and brought down Romney.

I believe Jim Robinson stated he voted straight GOP in the end. So I’ll just express my personal opinion that those who took their hatred of Romney all the way to the election, I have nothing but contempt for them.

However, it’s a free country they were free to do it and I have to confess, I think Romney ran a good campaign but perhaps a better and more conservative candidate would have brought out a stronger GOP vote.

So is there a lesson in this for all of us? Oh, I think we are all going to be getting our lessons soon enough.

One more confession. I ALWAYS vote for the republican, and NEVER vote for the more liberal democrat. That only seems to make sense to me however:

I wouldn’t piss on Chris Christie if he was on fire, he will never get my vote again and I hope to see his defeat almost as much as I wanted to see Obama’s. May he rot in political hell, let the democrats reelect him. They won’t. They have their own scumbags to run.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 10:05:44 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: forbushalltheway

Didn’t the GOP convention basically outlaw the words “Tea Party” from being spoken?

Told me right there what the GOP thinks of me, my ideology, and my values. I’ve truly grown to loathe what’s become of the Republican Party. I’ve voted exclusively GOP my entire voting life, but they (the GOP leadership) obviously view someone like me more of an enemy than the Dems.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 10:06:27 AM PST by greene66
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To: Beagle8U

kinda ! more than likely ~ i classify liberals, libertarians and libertines in pretty much the same trick bag ~ although sometimes they’ll squeal about the company


14 posted on 11/07/2012 10:07:28 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: forbushalltheway

I am not sure anything separates the GOP liberals from the DNC liberals. Arguments on how to conduct socialism and globalism; in total agreement culturally/socially.

The conservatives gave the GOP a legal/political/social voice of soul and American ideals of freedom so they could win elections; but the GOP humanists/globalists rarely embodied that voice and are mostly distainful of it.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 10:08:26 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: OldNavyVet
I think the forty seven million people on food stamps had a tendency to vote for Obama.

If we want to start being honest with ourselves, we might as well start with stuff like this. Vilifying food stamp recipients as one of the boogiemen that keep voting Dem will get us nowhere.

See for yourself.

Sure, there are few blue states in there, but if we look at it vs. electoral college votes, this contention gets us nowhere.

Upthread someone said blacks and Latinos matter. Now that is actually true, indisputable and a real problem for the GOP (or the country, depending on how you look at it.)

and for us to pretend that the women's vote didn't play a role would be foolish. Overheard last night:

"The rape guy lost!"
"Which one?"

Fair? No. Public perception? Absolutely. It matters. And it's not changing. The Dums have won 4 of the last 5 popular elections; mostly because of blacks, latinos, women and young people. Blocs that aren't getting smaller anytime soon. It's time to recognize that.
16 posted on 11/07/2012 10:19:34 AM PST by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: forbushalltheway

Look folks, we lost this election and will lose every one after this because the demographics of our nation have changed (thank you Ted Kennedy). It is too simplistic to blame Romney, Christians, the Republican establishment, or anyone else other than the fact that for many years now we have been importing third worlders and the 100 year march of progressivism to replace our republic began by Woodrow Wilson has reached its fruition. Christians and value voters are now entitled to the title of “the other”. There could have not been a Republican candidate who could have wooed these masses of people. They have finally reached critical mass.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 10:22:46 AM PST by NotTallTex
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To: Silver Sabre

It’s bigoted defeatist garbage like this that is costing Republicans elections not Mitt Romney or John McCain or George W Bush.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 10:23:03 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Comprehensive Immigration Reform NOW!)
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To: forbushalltheway

Well the RINO wing of the Republican party is now 0-2 in the last two elections...and the lesson all the talking heads seem to be taking from it, Romney wasn’t liberal enough, he didn’t appeal to minorities and women. I’m not sure how much farther left there is to go considering Romney was considered about as far left as you could be and still get the nomination.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 10:25:50 AM PST by apillar
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To: Williams
Yep, overall turnout was down. I’m afraid many of the folks we heard here went out (or didn’t go out) and brought down Romney.

The dirty little secret is how many evangelicals sat home because they wouldn't vote for Mitt Romney simply because he was a mormon. In Virginia for instance, Evangelical voters decreased from 28% to 21% since 2008. I know some of them. I don't understand the line of thinking myself, but to them Mormonism is a cult and voting for a Mormon really was as bad as voting for a Marxist Atheist (Obama). Like I said I don't get it personally....

20 posted on 11/07/2012 10:30:28 AM PST by apillar
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To: Sarabaracuda

It’s time conservatives split from the Republican Party. Look at the last three losers....all “moderates.” Who can get excited about a moderate? I smell Jeb Bush waiting in the wings, who would be Loser #4.

The problem is starting the primaries in New Hampshire and Iowa, both Democrat states. They haven’t supported the Republican nominees since Reagan, yet they get to greatly influence the choice of the probable nominee.

Here is what should be done. The states with the highest percentage of Republican votes in the presidential election just concluded should have the first primaries. Percentages haven’t been published yet, but probably OK would be first and Texas would be second. That would get the nomination off to a Republican start anyway.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 10:35:35 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: forbushalltheway
Paraphrasing Lincoln A house divided against its self will not stand. And if there is a more divided house than the Republican Party, I don't know what is. At one time it was the dems but not anymore.
22 posted on 11/07/2012 10:42:49 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: txrefugee

‘It’s time conservatives split from the Republican Party. ‘

well there’s a recipe for even greater electoral irrelevance.


23 posted on 11/07/2012 10:46:21 AM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: Beagle8U; muawiyah
Yeah, those guys Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell (both self-described libertarians) are such drug-loving, gun-hating stoners who don't want to pay taxes! And that clown Ronald Reagan was full of crap when told Reason magazine that "If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." /sarcasm

Has it ever occurred to you that you're part of the reason TEA party and limited government conservatism is still losing? You have a wrong-headed but self-gratifyfing template of the "libertarian" as "stoner/loser" just exactly as the MSM has a wrong-headed self-gratifying template of the "Republican" as cold-hearted ignorant redneck.

Both of your posts here tell zero about libertarians, but a whole hell of a lot about your own ignorance and pig-headed prejudice, how you are willing to see conservatism go down the tubes entirely before admitting that you're WRONG about libertarianism.

24 posted on 11/07/2012 10:50:01 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Silver Sabre

VOTER FRAUD WAS RAMPANT, IMO.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 10:53:48 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Finny

You are right, Liberaltarianism is the 1-2% wave of the future.

Just accept high taxes and join the RAT party.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 10:59:26 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Finny
obviously i'm not wrong about libertarians ~ when you come down off that contact high you'll understand what i said.

Hey, are you guys always that humorless?

27 posted on 11/07/2012 11:09:10 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Sarabaracuda

Right. It’s defeatist bigots like me and not the tens of millions of non-white voting democrats that is the problem.

The real problem is “conservative” fools who live and have lived in denial for the last half century.

Enjoy watching the whole oountry turn into Mexifornia because that is what is coming even if Romney had eked out a win.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 11:28:24 AM PST by Silver Sabre
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To: ExTexasRedhead

That is part and parcel of having huge minority areas like Philladelphia where they can pull and get away with that stuff election after election.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 11:30:19 AM PST by Silver Sabre
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To: SaraJohnson

” The conservatives gave the GOP a legal/political/social voice of soul and American ideals of freedom so they could win elections; but the GOP humanists/globalists rarely embodied that voice and are mostly distainful of it.”

Correct Sara.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 11:32:13 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Yeah, probably between voter fraud, and illegal immigrant votes, we lost it.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 11:34:27 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: Silver Sabre

Silver, you’ve been bumping your head or something.
Romney said he would get a border secure within his first year as President and he also was business wise probably the best candidate in this country to have as President to get us straight away from a financial cliff.

The electorate has changed, most said Romney was the best guy for the economy and then voted Obama in for the free stuff they get.

The electorate went from what is best for the country to what they perceived is best for them personally.
That is the bottom line, and all those who split the vote or who stayed home because they thought they were so pure deserve zero respect and if there is a hell, they earned it some last night.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 11:35:54 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: forbushalltheway

1. Political speech on discussion boards was too often allowed to be insulting, vulgar, threatening and generally trashy. There’s nothing conservative about that.

2. There were too many calls from government regulators, government teachers and other local recipients of federal government funding (all who spy and gossip against families and private property rights) for stopping the food stamp program (to divert the funds to government regulators, all). There’s nothing conservative about that, either.

Upscale commies/socialists, if you want “sustainable” revenues, get out of the way of new, small manufacturing starts in your own locales, and stop pushing candidates who promise even more jobs for your big government wishes. The food stamp program, presently large, costs about 10% of the deficit. Commies who mind their neighbors’ business (including government-linked business and pensioners: eyes and ears of the political/regulator class) are costing us our whole nation.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 12:30:51 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: A CA Guy

Assuming Romney actually would have done something about the border (based on past republican pols he wouldn’t). The real issue is LEGAL massive non-white immigration. It wouldn’t matter if all legal and non legal immigration stopped today. The die has already been cast.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 12:52:01 PM PST by Silver Sabre
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To: NotTallTex
we lost this election and will lose every one after this because the demographics of our nation have changed (thank you Ted Kennedy)

Add to that a systematic process of Marxist political indoctrination by academia, teacher unions and the media for the past 50 years.

35 posted on 11/07/2012 12:57:04 PM PST by Bernard Marx (<A>)
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