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Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum
WPEC CBS ^ | 11/07/2012

Posted on 11/07/2012 6:28:48 AM PST by cll

Edited on 11/07/2012 6:52:13 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) -- A slim majority of Puerto Ricans want their island to become the 51st U.S. state in a non-binding referendum that would require final approval from Congress.

The two-part referendum asked whether the island favored its 114-year relationship with the U.S. Nearly 54 percent sought to change it, while 46 percent supported the status quo, with 96 percent of precincts reporting as of early Wednesday. Statehood was the favorite option, garnering 61 percent. Sovereign free association, which would have allowed for more autonomy, received 33 percent, while independence got 5 percent.


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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: puertorico; statehood
This is probably the worst possible moment to bring this up, but this is news nonetheless. I am aware of the deluge of "yeah-right-another-democrat-state" comments that will be coming. But we have a major U.S. Territory (the size of Connecticut, 3.7 million American Citizens in residence) that's petitioning to become the 51st State of the Union.

Flame away.

1 posted on 11/07/2012 6:28:56 AM PST by cll
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To: cll

I guess it’s better than them demaning independence by blowing up people then being pardoned by Bill Clinton so Hillary can play Senator.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 6:32:02 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: cll

Hey, PR. I don’t want you in the union.

And I want to cut you off as a territory and stop all funding to you.

Shouldn’t this be the stance of the American left, who are so opposed to colonialism?

Seriously, like we need another leftist state in the union.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 6:33:05 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: cll; rrstar96; AuH2ORepublican; livius; adorno; wtc911; Willie Green; CGVet58; Clemenza; ...
As an FYI, the island's nominal Republicans were narrowly ousted by the nominal democrats in yesterday's election, including, apparently, Governor Luis Fortuño (final results are not in yet). To me this only shows how local politics could swing back and forth between Republicans and Democrats, if Puerto Rico were a state.

Puerto Rico Ping! Please Freepmail me if you want on or off the list.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 6:33:36 AM PST by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: cll

Great—More of the something for nothing peoples now want to become a part of the “in crowd”. Who woulda thunk it?


5 posted on 11/07/2012 6:34:00 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: freeangel

70% of PR’s are on Welfare. 100% of PR’s pay no Income Tax.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 6:38:18 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: cll

Puerto Rico is a wonderful place, and the current governor is a great conservative who has done a lot to encourage business growth and enterprise in the island.

Of course, with Obama as president, I’m not sure why they’d want to be a state, but I guess that’s another matter.

Puerto Rico is the gateway to the Caribbean and it actually is of strategic importance. We had military installations in the old Spanish fort during WWII and up to fairly recent times.

It’s also a great place to vacation: it has America’s only rainforest, produces much better coffee than Hawaii, and has better dancing (salsa) than just about any place on the mainland!


7 posted on 11/07/2012 6:39:02 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

Thank you for your kind words.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 6:48:51 AM PST by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: massgopguy

And the 30% that might pay income tax now, certainly won’t be paying any if PR gains statehood.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 6:57:19 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: livius
There are rainforests in Alaska and Washington. PR wants the US Military out of it. But on the Salsa dancing part, you are right.
10 posted on 11/07/2012 7:00:07 AM PST by JimC214
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To: cll

Independence! Although there are certainly respectable,decent,hard working Puerto Ricans the majority (very possibly the *large* majority) are worthless welfare parasites.Give them their independence.Let them print their own passports...let them print their own welfare checks....let them provide their own ObamaPhones.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 7:05:57 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: livius
It’s also a great place to vacation: it has America’s only rainforest, produces much better coffee than Hawaii, and has better dancing (salsa) than just about any place on the mainland!

You've obviously never worked in the ER of a large East Coast hospital.I have.For many years,in fact.I could tell you story..after story...after story...after story that would make the hair on your toes curl.

12 posted on 11/07/2012 7:14:13 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: cll

In the past they have always rejected statehood, figuring why pay taxes when you can help yourself to Federal payments nonetheless. But since nearly half don’t pay taxes anyhow (and they’d be the poorest state by far in per-capita income) I suppose that’s now a non-issue.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 7:17:17 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cll

That’s more state closer to hussein’s 57.


14 posted on 11/07/2012 7:23:00 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: cll

I’d prefer cutting them loose, and letting them being their own country.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 7:25:13 AM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I grew up in New York City in a neighborhood that was heavily Puerto Rican. They had about the same number of good and bad people as any other economic-refugee immigrant group, and most the children of that generation have in any case moved to nicer places in the outer boroughs or the suburbs and assimilated so thoroughly that they’re undetectable.

I don’t see that they’re any different from Italians, Eastern European Jews (many of the early organized crime figures were from immigrant Eastern European Jewish families), Russians or any other economic-refugee immigrant group.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 7:27:53 AM PST by livius
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To: cll

We’d become a bilingual country and the Democrats would be guaranteed another two Senate seats and four electoral votes at a minimum.

America is lost!


17 posted on 11/07/2012 8:18:57 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: cll

Sorry, we’re broke....try Cuba.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 8:21:21 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: cll

I read that Governor-elect García already said that he will do nothing about the plebiscite, giving the convenient excuse that the current Commonwealth status was not among the choices.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 8:27:41 AM PST by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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To: cll

The last figures I read from the State Elections Commission show that some 61% of voters opted for statehood. That’s about the same percentage supporting the Commonwealth in the 1967 plebiscite.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 8:31:54 AM PST by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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To: livius; cll
Puerto Rico is a wonderful place, and the current governor is a great conservative who has done a lot to encourage business growth and enterprise in the island.

I agree. And if PR is done with him, maybe we can borrow their governor for a while. We may need him.

21 posted on 11/07/2012 8:47:05 AM PST by marron
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I thought he would have made a great VP candidate, but probably he wasn’t well enough known outside of PR.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 9:08:58 AM PST by livius
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To: cll

Of course they voted for statehood: lots more free stuff!


23 posted on 11/07/2012 9:32:51 AM PST by catnipman
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To: rrstar96

Yes. But Resident Commissioner (Congressman) Pierluisi, who was re-elected, pledged today that he will not let the vote be ignored and will press Congress on it.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 9:58:01 AM PST by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: cll

The I4 corridor in Florida has been spoiled by too many Puerto Ricans and other Hispanics moving in. It used to be that, the republicans could count on the area to vote republican, but, no more. It’s the change in the corridor which helped Obama in 2008, and seemingly in 2012 (although Obama didn’t need Florida to get his victory).

Far too many of those Puerto Ricans moved to the state to get away from high taxes in other states, like NY and Chicago, where they were part of the electorate which voted the high-taxing politicians into office. Now they’re keeping those same idiotic voting habits, while hoping to pay no taxes or keeping them low. That does not compute, but, they’re not thinking things through.

And, BTW, I’m one of those Puerto Ricans who moved away from NY to get away from the high-taxation in the state and NYC. But, I’m a republican who hasn’t voted for any democrat since I was in my early twenties, and I’m way beyond that age now.

Those same people who want low taxes, will also take as much from government as they can, and I know far too many who do depend upon government for many “free things”, or a subsidized lifestyle.

Those people are hurting themselves, but, they can’t be weaned away form the old habits of getting as much as they can from government. Thus, the rest of the country, will be hurt, and so will those government dependents, because, where we’re headed is unsustainable. In fact, it’s unsustainable now as we’re having to borrow about 44 cents for each dollar that the government spends. But, the way a lot of those people see it, and I’ve actually heard some of them say it, “there’s more where that came from and I’m going to get my share”. Which means that, with that kind of attitude, the country is doomed.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 9:58:58 AM PST by adorno
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To: adorno

Excellent analysis. We’re becoming Europe. Puerto Rico seemed to be trending away from that but I cannot make that argument today because of the local elections’ results.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 10:17:05 AM PST by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: livius
I grew up in New York City in a neighborhood that was heavily Puerto Rican. They had about the same number of good and bad people as any other economic-refugee immigrant group...

It would take about 20,000 words for me to even begin to answer you...to address this basic issue.Those 20,000 words would include my immigrant family's multi-generational history (one of my grandparents was born in Ireland and spoke no English when she arrived,nor did her mother) but I'll just leave it at...since they've come here not a single member of that family has *ever* received a penny of government cash except for military pay and *ordinary* Social Security payments (not disability).It never occurred to anyone in my family to expect *any* kind of government largess...even during the Depression.And those Gaelic speakers I mentioned...they learned English...and assimilated... *in a hurry*! Contrast that with the "multi cultural" immigrants of today,many,many,*many* of whom demand that *we* learn *their* language and demand everything from food,shelter,health care and even cell phones from American taxpayers.To see a great example,check out this interview that Obama's Kenyan aunt gave to a Boston TV station a year or two ago.But make sure you've taken your blood pressure medications first or else I guarantee you'll have a fatal stroke.

27 posted on 11/07/2012 1:13:48 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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