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Posted on 11/07/2012 5:25:20 AM PST by Arm_Bears

The credibility (such as it was) of Dick Morris and Karl Rove has been shredded.

As such, this forum is now free to ignore any of the tripe spewed from their pie holes.

(Of course, they will still be embraced by the GOP-e.)


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 5:25:23 AM PST by Arm_Bears
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To: Arm_Bears
this forum is now free to

I don't appreciate someone telling me what I'm "free" to do and not do.

It's not yours to give, so climb down.

2 posted on 11/07/2012 5:29:44 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Arm_Bears

Nate Silver gets the last laugh


3 posted on 11/07/2012 5:29:52 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Arm_Bears
And don't forget this shmuck too (just a day before the election) - "Prediction: Romney Beats Obama, Handily" ... By Michael Barone.
4 posted on 11/07/2012 5:29:53 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Arm_Bears

Well, at least we can still count on the great wisdom of Krauthammer (sp), Krystal, and Hume. /sarc


5 posted on 11/07/2012 5:30:22 AM PST by Artcore
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To: Arm_Bears
The credibility (such as it was) of Dick Morris and Karl Rove has been shredded.

You can't shred something that doesn't exist.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 5:30:49 AM PST by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: Arm_Bears

The credibility (such as it was) of Dick Morris and Karl Rove has been shredded.
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And Hillbuzz, too?


7 posted on 11/07/2012 5:31:42 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Izzy Dunne

One word - Decaf


8 posted on 11/07/2012 5:31:50 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Be cheerful, be confident, and VOTE!!)
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To: Arm_Bears

So true.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 5:33:24 AM PST by me1og
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To: South40

Maybe he just likes to sell books


10 posted on 11/07/2012 5:33:57 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: oh8eleven

Bingo. Let’s not limit ourselves to people that we disliked beforehand.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 5:33:57 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Arm_Bears

On a day like today, the best...the very best you can come up with is to demonize those who fought along side us? Really? That is your best thought on this day?


12 posted on 11/07/2012 5:35:12 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: oh8eleven

So these guys were saying exactly what most of you were saying here and now they are schmucks?? Why don’t you go back and find the predictions thread. 90%+ on here thought it was going to be a big night.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 5:35:17 AM PST by paul544
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To: Arm_Bears
Micheal Barone and George Will both made very similar predictions to what Morris did.
14 posted on 11/07/2012 5:36:17 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Arm_Bears

Dick Morris is an idiot. He is wrong constantly. I mean, this is the guy who wrote that stupid Condi v Hillary book. Fox News should fire him immediately after his latest ridiculous prediction of a Romney landslide.

Rove had skin in the game. His Crossroads and Crossroads GPS super PAC’s were some of the biggest money backing Republicans in the entire campaign. I appreciate his efforts at trying to help the good guys, but Fox News should not have such a person as an analyst.

Barone I am disappointed. The polls were pointing to a narrow Obama victory - particularly the state polls. I think he just refused to see certain things because he was hoping Romney would win.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 5:36:36 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: oh8eleven

Barone knows his stuff (or at least seemed to up until now), and I’ve always assigned a great deal of validity to his observations. That he was so off this time around suggests some chicanery afoot. My suspicions are further aroused by the fact that, despite Obama being re-elected, there was very little change in the House.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 5:36:54 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Be cheerful, be confident, and VOTE!!)
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To: Artcore

“Well, at least we can still count on the great wisdom of Krauthammer (sp), Krystal, and Hume. /sarc”

But we don’t expect them to be election specialists. Morris helped Clinton and Rove helped Bush so you’d think they’d know what they were talking about.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 5:37:51 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: oh8eleven

i kind of laughed when people were going ga-ga over Barone’s predictions but kept my mouth shut....isn’t he the same dope that claimed the GOP would hold onto the house and senate in 2006??? he’s the GOP version of zogby...

as far as Rove- people hate him but you know what, he knows how to win elections....he should be running the GOP...Freepers went nuts on Monday when he released his updated electoral map- in retrospect he wasn’t far off:


18 posted on 11/07/2012 5:38:30 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Arm_Bears

Dick Morris, yea, throw him out. Even though I thought it was a clear Romney victory (and big one at that), I’m an amateur and He’s not.

As for Rove, he was a bit more subdued and he did engineer the W’s 8 years for us. So I give him a partial pass.

Toss Peggy Noonan and her Kindergarden gobblygook out as well.

As for Romney, though not my preferred candidate, I like the way he ran his campaign and I liked his demeanor and optimism. Even though in the end, it was violently ripped from us, he gave us a six weeks of hope.

As for the turd Chris Christie, he’s no chance for 2016. I don’t blame him or hold it against him for touring damage wrecked NJ — after all that’s what he’s supposed to do, look after his state. I blame him because his stomach eclipses his potential and would have made him a laughing stock as VP candidate and even more a laughing stock if he goes into 2016 with it.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 5:38:57 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: ari-freedom

Then someone should tell him that for he most certainly considers himself a political prognosticator.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 5:39:30 AM PST by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: paul544
So these guys were saying exactly what most of you were saying here and now they are schmucks??

This place became a fantasyland echo chamber and people like Morris, Barone, etc, fed into it. The polls always pointed to a Obama win. The state level polls were clear as a bell, Hussein was poised to win a narrow victory. The vast majority of the election commentators/analysts were calling for a narrow Obama victory - including Cook, Sabato, Silver, etc. Meanwhile here on FR people were mindlessly yammering about "unskewing" polls when it was clear they had no idea what they were talking about.

It's really time for folks to face reality. There is not a silent majority in this country any longer for the old traditional American values. We are well along the way to becoming a European welfare state. We probably cross the tipping point during Obama's first term with all the new people dependent on government.

21 posted on 11/07/2012 5:42:36 AM PST by Longbow1969
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By every objective and subjective statistical analysis, Obama was toast. The economy was the biggest factor and he was losing bigtime on the economy. T.O.A.S.T. , D.O.N.E, done done done.
Foreign policy was a disaster and he presented no solutions but managed a tie with Romney.

The trend lines showed that Romney had not only momentum, but clear and significant momentum across all key demographics including women and the much vaunted undecideds. Their suppositions were based on fact and maybe too much feeling thrown in which skewed their outcome.
I too looked at the internals of all the polls I could and I too saw the same things. My observations is that Obama took a knee a month ago and we just ran out of time.

The D+11 models were flawed and basically a joke by rational statistical standards but they did yield the correct result. Obama did manage to secure the 51%.

People will be digesting this for a long time because the underlying facts don’t support the results.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 5:43:48 AM PST by newnhdad (USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: silverleaf

Nate Silver doesn’t really get the last laugh. He did not forecast a close vote. He saw Obama running away with it.


23 posted on 11/07/2012 5:45:03 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: Arm_Bears
Barone knows his stuff (or at least seemed to up until now) ... That he was so off this time around suggests some chicanery afoot.
My thoughts too. Looks to me like the 47% grew to 51% in just the last few months.
24 posted on 11/07/2012 5:46:20 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ari-freedom

“But we don’t expect them to be election specialists. Morris helped Clinton and Rove helped Bush so you’d think they’d know what they were talking about.”
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That’s true.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 5:48:05 AM PST by Artcore
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To: Arm_Bears

I wonder how someone as apparently incompetent as Dick Morris ever had any career in politics.

His constant flip-flopping on Twitter made it clear that he has no more “special insight” than I do. Florida is down by 3, BAD NEWS! This just in - Romney could win Florida by 5-8 points! Oh no, Obama up by 2 in Florida, this is troubling...wait, now Romney’s catching up! He’s going to win this!

It was crazy.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 5:49:57 AM PST by Cato in PA (May America reap the rotten fruit of the demon seed it's sown.)
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To: Longbow1969

I’m still waiting for all the Freepers who promised me an FU ping when I was wrong today...


27 posted on 11/07/2012 5:49:57 AM PST by paul544
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To: paul544
I’m still waiting for all the Freepers who promised me an FU ping when I was wrong today...

LOL, you and me both. Somehow I don't think any apologies will be forthcoming.

28 posted on 11/07/2012 5:57:09 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
I think Romney could have won it when he was trending +5 on Gallup. But the storm did him in. I knew it would. People here don't understand just how "flaky" some of the voting public really is. They think that all voters vote based on some kind of ideological conviction, and that's just not the case. In a fairly evenly split country like ours, the voters who ultimately determine the race are flakes. At this time, the Democrats are winning the flakes.

In the end, I held out some hope, but I knew it would come down to about 1 percent, I had hoped for Romney, but alas, it did not.

29 posted on 11/07/2012 6:06:42 AM PST by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: Arm_Bears

Their credibility was shredded elections ago


30 posted on 11/07/2012 6:10:44 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Paradox
In a fairly evenly split country like ours, the voters who ultimately determine the race are flakes. At this time, the Democrats are winning the flakes.

The MSM controls the flakes and most of the democrats and the left wing also controls the schools

Sad but true and it isn't going to change
31 posted on 11/07/2012 6:14:54 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Arm_Bears

The only ray of sunshine is that the last time I checked the 22nd ammendment is still part of the Consitution


32 posted on 11/07/2012 6:19:00 AM PST by RonnG
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To: Arm_Bears

In the case of Dick Morris, absolutely true. Look for him to turn up selling ice cream from a push cart on some beach now.

But the GOP’s strange fascination with The Architect defies all understanding. He’ll be BAAAAA-AACK.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 6:32:58 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Usagi_yo

I think Obama won this race for a whole lot of reasons that are deeper and far more serious than Chris Christie showing up with him post-Sandy.

But insofar as that is the perception....yes, Christie’s career in the Republican Party is toast.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 6:35:12 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Paradox
I think Romney could have won it when he was trending +5 on Gallup.

Romney had some momentum when Gallup and Rasmussen showed him up several points, no doubt. I agree the storm derailed that opportunity for him to keep that momentum rolling. Still, Obama was narrowly winning throughout the closing phases of this campaign and there is no way for us to really judge how much hurricane Sandy added to his final total. Looks like Obama won the popular vote by around 2 points and captures the electoral votes the state polling was telling us he'd win all along.

35 posted on 11/07/2012 6:57:28 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Sandy was part of it, but from a tactical point of view, I think another thing is/was voter fatigue. People simply didnt vote in the numbers that have voted before. I think the voters by and large had gotten sick of the whole thing. When that happens, its the superior GOTV effort that will win. The Democrats do the GOTV thing much better than the Republicans, MUCH. They have a deeper pool of numbnutz voters from which to draw on, and easier ways of getting them to the polls. The GOP simply MUST improve on their efforts, or Presidential wins will be near impossible.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 7:01:53 AM PST by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
But insofar as that is the perception....yes, Christie’s career in the Republican Party is toast.

You'd think so, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Cristie pushed by GOPe next time around as a "moderate who can win". Like Romney.

37 posted on 11/07/2012 7:41:41 AM PST by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)
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To: Wpin

Or sand-bagged us.

Benedict Arnold logged some important victories for the Continental Army before, well, you know. . .


38 posted on 11/07/2012 8:17:26 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Be cheerful, be confident, and VOTE!!)
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