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Quick Post-Election Thoughts (A Prescription for Recovery)
Forbes ^ | November 07, 2012 | Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry

Posted on 11/07/2012 5:02:29 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo

My main concern right now is a Republican Party that can win elections and majorities again, and do that for the conservative movement. Now is the hour of our discontent, when all of the factions inside the GOP turn on each other to blame each other for the loss.

Here’s what I think went wrong:

•NOT social issues voters. This will be a predictable line from elite/moderates/liberals. The fact of the matter is social issues voters are still around 30% of the electorate and the GOP can’t get to 50% without them. Deal with it.

•NOT “extremism”. And may I remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! Wait, the guy who said that lost in a landslide. Urm. Uh… Well. The point I want to make: there’s extremism and there’s extremism. Mitt Romney was down the line mainstream Republican in this campaign and he got to a hair of 50%. Americans just don’t think the Republican Party platform is wildly extreme the way they thought that about Goldwater or McGovern.

•By the same token, NOT “moderation”. A lot of people on the right of the GOP and in the grassroots will try to say that Romney lost because he was too moderate. Nope. Again, he was a down the line mainstream Republican...

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
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I think this guy gets it. Populism, not elitism. More Reagan and less Ayn Rand and Thurston Howell.

All is not lost.

1 posted on 11/07/2012 5:02:35 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The Republican Party is history.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 5:09:47 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

If there to be a future for this country, we must moderate the Democratic Party. I think there is enough room in the Democratic Party for a social liberal who is opposed to profligate spending. One could win a Democratic primary on such a platform.

Once the moderate Democrat wins the primary, rolling over the remnant of the moribund Republican Party should be no problem.

So, that’s the ticket. Say goodbye to every social wedge issue and vote for the guy who will cut spending and refrain from bankrupting the country. Because if we bankrupt the country, none of that other stuff matters.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 5:10:27 AM PST by Haiku Guy
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I think Rick Santorum was a better choice. Gingrich as VP would have rounded out the ticket.

A friendly face with a clear difference backed up by a man with a whip.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 5:11:47 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Reagan could not win, today. Americans (50% of them and probably 55% of them in 4 years) want no form of conservatism. Communism is on today’s menu.

The big question is....can anything change that? What event? What kind of environment?


5 posted on 11/07/2012 5:14:23 AM PST by ryan71 (Water, food and ammo.)
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To: cripplecreek
I think Rick Santorum was a better choice. Gingrich as VP would have rounded out the ticket.

that would've helped in Ohio? PA? VA?

6 posted on 11/07/2012 5:14:29 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The Republic is brainwashed by the media and academia. They have a lot of free stuff and the media is not aware nor telling them that there is an end to it.

When they understand that their hatred and obliteration of “wealthy” people (everyone making $250 K and above)runs them out of their own future and their endless chasing of “consequence free” sex leads them to a completely godless existence, where will we be?


7 posted on 11/07/2012 5:14:45 AM PST by stanne
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

One thing that must be borne in mind is that no third party is going to win on a national level without first establishing itself at the state and local level.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 5:16:22 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

“I think this guy gets it. Populism, not elitism. More Reagan and less Ayn Rand and Thurston Howell. “

Exactly. That’s why Clinton and Dubya won and Gore and Kerry lost. People want someone they can relate to. They don’t know the difference between supply side or keynesian or whatever. But they want someone to be down with them.

GOP-e really wanted Christie to run but had to settle for Romney.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 5:18:04 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: mosaicwolf

Agreed.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 5:18:17 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I guess things are gonna have to get bad, and I mean BAD bad before people get the hint, and then by that point, it may be too late... no, it will be too late for any “fix.”


11 posted on 11/07/2012 5:20:56 AM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: sam_paine

yeah the Dems plotted the GOP war on women and we’d respond with a guy who wanted to ban contraceptives and a pasty white chubby guy who married 3 times. Brilliant.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 5:21:02 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: cripplecreek

Nope.

Mitt was fine.

Any Republican is doomed in this media driven culture. The media is who and what drives the electorate. They put in whom they want to put in because they have the power.

Will CBS get into trouble over covering for the president’s behavior toward the ambassador, or will they have enough power to tell the country nothing to see here.

NOT one candidate can win against this media.

It’s where the real fight is.

Republican establishment didn’t take the fight to the media nor to acedamia where the real fight is.

Romney NEVER stood a chance with the Benghazi fight. The media ran the narrative on that.

Let’s stop recriminating him and look to where we can for support.

To whom should we turn?

Let’s not look back, please. We don’t have the time for that.

Bachmann. Cruz. Ryan. Rubio (smooth talking UN guy). MicCain is after the Benghazi thing.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 5:21:38 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

They’ll never learn. The average human IQ is around 100. It is only with intensive training starting at childhood that any conservatives emerge at all. Nowdays kids aren’t brought up reading books that stress virtue, self-control, or hard work. They’re growing up with youtube, Jersey Shore, and Netflix. It’s over, I really believe this.


14 posted on 11/07/2012 5:23:49 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
As I said before on a different thread ...

The key for Republican success in elections is to garner support of those "politically disinterested" groups who should be natural constituents: gainfully employed taxpayers. I know there are plenty of "takers" out there, but there are still a lot of these folks casting votes in these elections and pitting them against the misfits and losers who make up the Democratic base is a sure recipe for success.

15 posted on 11/07/2012 5:24:18 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Sorry, but the people voted for the party that boo-ed God at their convention.

You cannot moderate evil.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 5:24:40 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: ryan71; All

your joking right?? Bush in ‘04 received more votes than obama did last night...obama received 7 million less votes last night than he did in 2008....the elections was there to be won but last night was another case of the GOP snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...as far as Americans wanting no form of conservatism- they came out in droves 2 years ago and put conservatives in office, only to have the GOPe spit in the faces of those of us (the Tea Party) who were responsible for getting them there...

the article is spot on....


17 posted on 11/07/2012 5:24:44 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The Tea Party..needs to focus on statehouses. Each district in each state needs an active educational Tea Party...fomenting Constitutional Government.

the Feds ultimately are a creature of the States. We want a different, Constitutional Fed Gov...we need to create Constitutional State government....and most importantly..educating those around us in our communities as to the benefits of the freedoms of Constitutional Government.

The Libs have been hacking away at the Feds for almost 100 years at this point. Two RahRah Tea Party election cycles is scarcely the blink of an eye.

To keep doing what the Pubbies are doing...the same thing over and over...expecting different outcomes..is insanity.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 5:25:35 AM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The lesson of all this is we have a liberal media which has madea very clear political choice; they are willing to lose viewer/readership to favor the left. We need to make sure this is as expensive for them as possible.

Mitt was my very last choice —I think someone like Santorum or Palin would have brought out more of our base.

The silver lining is we don’t have to watch for four years as “our guy” shows how big he is by letting Hussein slide for Bengazi or F&F and several other major scandals. Also we won’t get wrapped up in an expensive war with Iran that is a greater concern for Israel than for the USA.

The Israelis have deep experience looking after their own interests, but can they really now afford to NOT attack alone? If they do not I do believe it is only a matter of time before.....

Well, you know the rest.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 5:27:36 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The lesson of all this is we have a liberal media which has madea very clear political choice; they are willing to lose viewer/readership to favor the left. We need to make sure this is as expensive for them as possible.

Mitt was my very last choice —I think someone like Santorum or Palin would have brought out more of our base.

The silver lining is we don’t have to watch for four years as “our guy” shows how big he is by letting Hussein slide for Bengazi or F&F and several other major scandals. Also we won’t get wrapped up in an expensive war with Iran that is a greater concern for Israel than for the USA.

The Israelis have deep experience looking after their own interests, but can they really now afford to NOT attack alone? If they do not I do believe it is only a matter of time before.....

Well, you know the rest.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 5:27:48 AM PST by gaijin
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To: cripplecreek

Seriously, neither of them would have won.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 5:32:36 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: cripplecreek

Seriously, neither of them would have won.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 5:32:45 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: gaijin

Ah, I forgot —I think we will see major arms races emerge in the Middle East and also in Asia. Seeing Iran, does anyone think Saudi Arabia and Egypt will NOT pursue nukes? I’m leaving out several others.

Will Taiwan just sit on their hands? Japan?

Both those actors understand Obama will have their backs with all the dedicated furvor as he backed Bengazi SEALs.


23 posted on 11/07/2012 5:36:06 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
•NOT social issues voters. This will be a predictable line from elite/moderates/liberals. The fact of the matter is social issues voters are still around 30% of the electorate and the GOP can’t get to 50% without them. Deal with it.

The problem is that 80% of the Dems ARE social issues voters ONLY! Deal with it. Mourdock's comment was a deathblow.
24 posted on 11/07/2012 5:37:12 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (We the People are coming!!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The GOP or what ever party replaces it in four years will have an advantage, no one, but no one will be happy about how the economy will look in 2016. Unemployment will never drop below 8%...that will be the new "norm" and will probably spike at close to 12% in the next year as Obamacare and new taxes kick in. Energy costs will skyrocket as a result of Obama policies and radical EPA regulations. I look for gasoline to be well over $4 per gallon by the end of 2013 and electricity costs will go up 20-30% as more coal plants are closed. Even higher prices will follow. I also look for rolling large area blackouts during peak demand periods to become common. Congress will continue to spend wildly and the US debt will be downgraded further. The US dollar will plunge as the Fed continues its quantitative easing...that will push oil prices up further. Obamacare will be a disaster as the health care exchanges that are the touchstone of the program will not be in place by 2014 and millions of Americans who lose their employer plans, cannot afford private insurance and make too much to qualify for Medicaid will have no place to go for health insurance and will be hit with higher taxes as a result. Israel will attack Iran by years end and precipitate a major war in the Middle East. Obama will not side with Israel even if they are attacked with weapons of mass destruction. Islamic terrorists will continue to strike US targets including in the US and I expect a dirty bomb or nuclear attack on a US city before 2014. Obama will by regulation seek to muzzle talk radio and Internet blogs and the attacks on Fox News will increase.

In my nightmare scenario Obama will suspend the Constitution and rule by decree as dictator... not as far fetched as it might seem.

25 posted on 11/07/2012 5:41:31 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: gaijin

Palin would have just made the split larger.

I honestly think abortion has to go from the platform. I think the fight against abortion needs to be amped up at the church level, and taken down on the political level.

I live in California and my kids go to a conservative Christian school. Most of my daughter’s friends are not buying that abortion is wrong. They just think their teachers are old and don’t get it.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 5:41:31 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: stanne

If we are not very careful we will end up in burkas. My greatest fear is that we will see war on US shores. Our weakness will encourage enemies to attack. This is a country teaming with natural resources and fertile land. Things are ugly out there and we are seeing all countries, not just our own turning more dangerous and dictatorial. We could even end up in a larger war with China or Russia.

In my honest opinion, I believe there are many and the left who would welcome this with open arms. They despise American principals just that much.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 5:45:44 AM PST by formosa
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To: gaijin

Things have been unpleasent under Obama’s first four years, but now we are going to see what he is really capable of. Our enemies have been unleashed... they know he won’t lift a finger to stop them. The workforce will largely be going to 29 hour weeks so employers can avoid paying for Obamacare. Energy prices are going to triple at least as the EPA shuts down domestic energy production.

The silver lining is that Obama did enough damage in his first four years that Romney would might not have been able to fix it and four years from now the electorate would have been blaming him. Obama now owns what he has done. I guess things hadn’t got bad enough for people to swing hard in the opposite direction.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 5:48:03 AM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: sam_paine
that would've helped in Ohio? PA? VA?

Yes I think it would. Santorum resonated with the blue collar crowd far better because they felt his ideas were better for creating jobs at the street level. Things like eliminating the tax on manufacturing is something that the guy on the factory floor understands immediately.

He also proved that he could win anywhere when no one else could. He was winning primaries in the north, south, midwest, and west. He even tied Romney in Michigan when Romney flogged McCain here by double digits in 08.
29 posted on 11/07/2012 5:48:44 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: stanne

Some one who can articulate conservative, common sense message in simple language, with confidence and good humour. Like Reagan did. He got through the media filter-short and clear answers in terms that people understood.

Is there a Governor or ex Governor out there that can do that? No I don’t mean Palin - love her and she has charisma, but she does not have the same clarity when she communicates that Reagan had.

And so far she has not been able to break through the media filter/smears to connect with voters outside the base of the party.

Someone conservatives can agree on so GOPe doesn’t get to play coservatives against each other.

Who can communicate the best, who is really smart, well known that people generally like?


30 posted on 11/07/2012 5:56:45 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: ryan71

My college age son had a conversation with a young lady. He said - this is a win for communism. She replied, “There is nothing wrong with communism.” That is where the young generations heads are. The biggest issues among his classmates at college: abortion, contraception, gay marriage, and ... Romney is RICH! They truly believed that Romney was going to shackle women and make them leave the workplace. The ‘binder of women’ resonated as a reason to fear Romney. The young voter literally feared Romney and a return to the 1950’s.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 6:03:21 AM PST by carmody
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To: cripplecreek
Take your Conservative Candidates else where good sir!

The GOP is a Moderate party don't you know.

We can do the welfare state better and cheaper.

I am thinking Jeb Bush in 2016!

(do i need a /sarc?)

32 posted on 11/07/2012 6:05:02 AM PST by KC_Lion (The Party that booed G-d won, think about that for a second.)
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To: God luvs America
Bush in ‘04 received more votes than obama did last night...obama received 7 million less votes last night than he did in 2008....the elections was there to be won but last night was another case of the GOP snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...as far as Americans wanting no form of conservatism- they came out in droves 2 years ago and put conservatives in office, only to have the GOPe spit in the faces of those of us (the Tea Party) who were responsible for getting them there...

Sounds like the Tea Party folks stayed home and didn't vote in protest that their candidate wasn't nominated. I think you're right. There were certainly enough FReepers here who loudly and proudly said they were staying home. To those folks I say; "Congratulations, revel in your purity while America sinks. The tipping point is past and yesterday was our last chance."

33 posted on 11/07/2012 6:07:18 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: cripplecreek

“I think Rick Santorum was a better choice. Gingrich as VP would have rounded out the ticket.”

Romney ran as good a campaign as could have been done. He was up against the media and a stupid electorate. It didn’t matter who ran for the GOP. We could have run Santorum, Gingrich, Reagan, George Washington or Jeffrey Dahmer. It didn’t matter. The game was fixed from the beginning.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 6:14:07 AM PST by henkster (If you let them do it to you, you got yourself to blame.)
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To: God luvs America

If what you’re describing is true, then the non voting Tea Partiers cut off their noses to spite their faces.

I’d guess that Ruth Bader Ginsburg will retire in the next couple years, denying the opportunity to have a solid Conservative Majority on the Court. I also think that Kennedy and/or Scalia will leave the Court (possibly feet first like Rehnquist did) meaning that there’ll be a Liberal Majority for the next generation at least.

I also don’t see the GOP taking back the White House in 2016. All the demographic numbers and trending clearly point to it. This year was the tipping point for the success of an identity politics driven national majority. There’s also no Reagan out there like after Ford lost to Carter in 1976. And the GOP House margin while large can’t really be seen as strong or permanent.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 6:19:56 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: henkster
Romney ran as good a campaign as could have been done. He was up against the media and a stupid electorate.

That's all nice and good but I have an actual memory and was right here with the rest pointing to the fact that the media themselves were the ones who wanted to foist Romney on us.

Go back a year and you'll find FReepers complaining about Politico trying to push Romney on us. Then go back a week ago and you'll find the same FReepers attacking Politico for being anti Romney.

Moral courage and honesty go a long way but I find them just as lacking at FR as I would at the DU. Stand for something, or fall for anything.
36 posted on 11/07/2012 6:23:29 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: luckystarmom
I honestly think abortion has to go from the platform.

I truly believe that Obama, and the resulting destruction of our economy, is a punishment from God. A punishment caused by the murder of 3000 babies a day. How can anyone expect God to bless a country that allows that? While you may have a point politically, the issue is deeper than that. Changing hearts and minds is necessary, too. However, we don't simply try to change the hearts and minds of murderers and rapists to not kill and rape. We make it illegal to protect the potential victims.

37 posted on 11/07/2012 6:38:21 AM PST by tnlibertarian (I am not going to vote for Romney..... I already have.)
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To: mosaicwolf
The Republican Party is history.

I think we are about to witness a replay of the C-CRAP fiasco that occurred in Canada in the early 90's.

The Tea Party has had enough of the RINOS and is going to strike out on its own. This is going to lead to a decade or two of Democrat hegemony winning three-way races, until the RINOS cry Uncle and invite the Tea Party back in to run the show. By then the Dems will have run the train into the ditch so many times the voters may give them a shot. But the damage inflicted in the meantime will be indescribable.


38 posted on 11/07/2012 6:43:03 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: formosa

You would wear a burka? That’s a big problem.


39 posted on 11/07/2012 7:01:54 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

Personally, I’d die first. Guess that came out wrong. There are however women who wouldn’t.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 7:13:15 AM PST by formosa
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To: tanknetter

forget about what i’m describing- look at the numbers...look at the numbers now compared to 2010 compared to 2008....


41 posted on 11/07/2012 7:33:33 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: The Great RJ

I agree with pretty much your entire post. Scary times await us. Too bad 60 million voters think that yesterday was all just another fun election to participate and protect their rights to get free stuff.


42 posted on 11/07/2012 8:02:41 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (We the People are coming!!)
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To: tnlibertarian

However, if we can’t change the hearts and minds of teenagers and young adults, then we are lost.

How do we change their minds? They don’t even think there is anything wrong with it.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 8:44:07 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom
How do we change their minds?

My first response would be to get them out of the polluted public school system, but it sounds like you have already done that. Perhaps educating them one at a time. With pictures of the early development stages of babies. There was a commercial on the radio with the sound of a heartbeat of a baby 28 days after conception. How can you hear that and not realize it is alive? If one still doesn't care at that point, I don't know. That is why it needs to be illegal; to protect the baby from the people who don't care that they are taking a human life, even when they know.

44 posted on 11/07/2012 12:23:53 PM PST by tnlibertarian
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