Posted on 11/07/2012 4:02:34 AM PST by generally
Numbers for both candidates were down. Even Romney's numbers from McCain's were down and could have flipped this if that number held. Third party temper-tantrum types seemed to have had an influence in Ohio and Florida, not that those states are important for anything. So you may have a point there.
JMO, but the Tea Party needs to stay off the abortion issue. NOT because we don’t care about abortion, but because it will destroy an otherwise winning candidate.
My approach is to leave abortion out of political races. We need to win abortion in the marketplace of ideas and not at the ballot box. This does not mean we should run pro-abortion candidates. It just means that they should leave the issue alone.
The Dems win by accepting part of what they want each time, instead of demanding everything all at once. We need to learn that lesson. As much as I hate politics, it is what we need to do.
Right. The country is not monolithic. The GOP needs to seriously work on its marketing.
Todd Akin. This guy is the face of the GOP. Like it or not. The fact that we have people like him in our party will continue to haunt us. No wonder Romney lost women by double digits.
Lets not get carried away. McCain did worse in the must need battleground states and worse in the Electoral College than Romney.
McCain probably got more votes from already deep red states.
I’m looking for new ideas since the old ones are failing so miserably and repeatedly.
>>The only way Republicans can ever win again is to find someone that will lie to the people out of both sides of their face and their ass, promise the moon to them and then do the opposite if he gets elected.
That’s one!
The other thing we should do is all register as Democrats, then work to get more conservative candidates in their party. I strongly suspect that is what they’ve done to us. How about we run a “Manchurian candidate” of our own on their ticket? Not just for President, but at every level. Infiltrate. Time to start now.
Who ya gonna believe? Your lyin’ eyes or the media?
For once I’m inclined to agree with the libs that it’s Bush’s fault.
You are right. He pushed us down this socialist path to appease liberals and illegals.
I need to have in my buffer so I can cut and paste it to everyone I see spewing this misguided idea...
How does a true conservative cut into the 75% latino and 93+% black vote that went to Obama?
Quite simply, it can not be done. The GOP is done as far as a Presidential contender unless the message changes to include these groups.
Prove me wrong.
Agree. We will be in the wilderness a long, long time if not forever.
Long time experienced political operators, common joe voters, all claiming that that the turnout was the biggest they had ever seen and yet the numbers were down. Something just does not smell right!!!
Yes, turnout in my precinct (heavily Dem) was at least four times what it was in 2008. Reports all over the country of extraordinarily massive turnout.
It’s one thing for the numbers for one candidate to be down. But for both? Turnout must have been almost non-existent in bunch of places for that to be true.
Problem is Allen West, Mia Love and two Christian conservative Senate candidates in red states lost as well. There are no overarching conclusions to be drawn from this election except that Obama is to Republicans as the U.S. is to Vietnam. We need to stay out of Vietnam.
Obama’s a uniquely appealing celebrity candidate who, as a clean, articulate person of color, gives a lot of simpleminded voters a tingle up their leg. His appeal is emotion-based.
We knocked off 10 million of his voters from 2008 but he knocked off 3 million of ours with trumped-up wars on women, minorities and the working class. We ran a pretty good campaign and gained a lot of ground but it wasn’t enough to fight back against a juggernaut of a candidate. The silver lining is they’re unlikely to find another one like him anytime soon.
Voters have NEVER understood the issues and always voted on things like personality, charisma and emotion. It’d be great to fix that and educate the voters, but it’s not a new phenomenon that we weren’t able to do it this time. Our elections swing back and forth at random based on whether one party’s candidate is more charismatic than the other’s.
But, yes, the left is moving BOTH parties further to the left. That is a fundamental cultural problem that will not be changed unless there is a resurgence of Christianity in the country. It can’t be changed in a political campaign.
They won't get those proportions and/or turnout if they nominate a white candidate.
We also need to figure out why 10 million Obama voters stayed home instead of switching to Romney and why 3 million McCain voters stayed home. I'm not sure yet if it was the Christian conservative base, independent voters, or just a random cross-section turned off by the negative ads on Romney.
Me, my family, my church...for starters.
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I'm mad at those who say they are conservative but toss their principles aside when inconvenient and support a flaming liberal 100%.
The results of party over principle are quite apparent today.
I still believe in conservatism.
I am a conservative, I can do no other.
Conservatism is Americas last best hope.
Psalm 7:11-13
11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
12 If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready.
13 He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; he ordaineth his arrows against the persecutors.
The Tea Party, at its height, was all about fiscal conservatism. This had the makings of a coalition of traditional conservatives, fiscal conservatives, and Paulites.
Somewhere along the way, social conservatism came in and the Tea Party coalition splintered.
The Dems have figured out how to live together with disparate interest groups and the GOP needs to do likewise.
me either
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