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Vanity: Romney: As predicted, He Proved to Be the Wrong Man
vanity | 7 Nov 12 | Xzins

Posted on 11/07/2012 3:23:45 AM PST by xzins

I knew last week that it was over, and I knew it because of Benghazi, the very issue that had me reluctantly put my check mark next to Romney's name, because I couldn't conceive that a Romney administration would have abandoned the lives of our heroes to the hatred of Al Qaeda.

Benghazi, Budget, BamaCare, Barrios....the 4 B's.

During the debates, conservative commentators liked to talk about Bayonets and Battleships, but four other B's explain Romney's loss and why he was the wrong man to carry the flag.

Benghazi was a window of opportunity presented to Romney that he was too timid to address. Some say that Romney decided after the first debate to just run out the clock. Well, events intervened and Hurricane Sandy made running out the clock impossible. (Give Governor Chris Christi an assist with mother nature's efforts.) In reality, though, discussion of Benghazi by Romney could have continued throughout Sandy, but Romney never again picked up the one issue that was moving the polls at that time. Once Candy Crowley slapped him in debate #2, he backed off. It was an absolute scandal, and no one ever asked Obama where he was at the time the live feed from Libya was playing. Romney lost for lack of sand.

Romney muzzled Ryan and the budget debate never was held. The very reason he was called courageous for his Ryan pick was the very thing they shut Ryan down on. Ryan was reduced to waving his arms at Romney gatherings. Platitudes of balancing budgets were common, but there was no stomach for discussing the real dangers affecting America is the budget was not controlled. Tepid describes the Romney approach to the budget.

As predicted, Romney never addressed the very issue that brought about the Tea Party. ObamaCare was simply not an issue for Romney. He was vulnerable due to his own support of RomneyCare, parent of ObamaCare, so he really couldn't attack the idea of big government health care. When it came to ObamaCare, Romney was simply the wrong guy to carry the message. Romney was AWOL -- as predicted during the primary season -- on ObamaCare.

The barrios of America rejected Romney by a huge margin. Forty-four percent of Hispanics supported George W. Bush. Romney garnered a meager 28%. Sadly, most Hispanic Americans have religious reasons to support a more conservative view of life and should naturally fall into the conservative camp. Anyone who has ever watched a migrant worker picking fruit in a field knows that a huge number of Hispanices do not shy from hard work. Sure there are those who would rather live on the dole, but isn't that the case with every demographic? Romney shot the one messenger who had a message that obviously appealed to Hispanic Americans, the governor of Texas. Like Perry or not, the same as George W. Bush, Perry had to get elected in a highly Hispanic state, Texas, so his sensibilities on the subject of the Hispanic vote should have been heeded.

Conservatives must find the inner resolve to admit that targeting Hispanic illegals makes Hispanic legals worry about their inalienable rights of privacy, search and seizure, and equal treatment. Another bitter pill for conservatives is that Hispanic legals are more compassionate toward Hispanic illegals than is the average conservative. With significant Hispanic populations in most of the swing states, conservatives should have noticed that Perry had found a balance that elevated him to the governor's seat in Texas AND permitted him to apply both economic and social conservatism throughout his state. The bottom line is that inalienable rights SHOULD BE a conservative issue. And while "compassionate conservatism" earned George Bush enmity with many conservatives, it also earned him the White House. Conservatives need to rethink the Hispanic vote and acknowledge that concerns about individual inalienable rights trump immigration purity in their minds.

It was too late for Romney, though. He had already taken a hard line stance to win the primary debate with Perry, attacking him mercilessly along with Michelle Bachman. He launched another barrage against Newt Gingrich on the same subject. Neither Romney nor Bachman was experienced in winning the Hispanic vote. Perry was inexperienced in winning primaries. In this instance, Romney lacked the determination of George W. Bush to push back against the poorly aimed concerns of base conservatives.

Romney's loss was predictable and was predicted. The reasons will open a huge debate. The four B's explain much: Benghazi, Budget, oBamaCare, and Barrios. In each instance, whether due to timidity or misguided policy, Romney proved to be the wrong candidate. Wrong place. Wrong time. Wrong message.


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 3:23:50 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins

I’m stupid. You’re smart. I was wrong. You were right. You’re the best. I’m the worst. You’re very good-looking. I’m not attractive. < /HAPPYGILMORE>


2 posted on 11/07/2012 3:29:57 AM PST by Haiku Guy
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To: xzins

Todd Akin and his ridiculous remark about rape.

That put our side on the defensive with women and we never recovered.

We only lost by a little but we lost big with women.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 3:30:32 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: xzins

Good morning, FRiend. I wish you the best.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 3:31:04 AM PST by Tax-chick (Watch out for spiders.)
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To: xzins

Wrong. It was the changing demographics of the United States.

Dick Morris just said that he predicted a Romney landslide because he thought the electorate would return to 2004 levels. So did I. It didn’t. This electorate is here to stay, and (for once), Morris is right. Republicans will NEVER win with the electorate as it is. It’s not possible.

Young voters, Hispanic voters, black voters, and single women voters are larger segments of the electorate now, and they all vote against us.

I REFUSE to compromise the basic principles of the party by the amount we would have to so that we can “snare” these voters. We might as well just have the Democrap party, rather than two Democrap parties.

I’ve said already. We are the Copts. A minority living under the tyranny of the majority.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 3:32:05 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: xzins
dare you to come on Fr and complain about the economy, jobs, taxes, the culture, the wars, the civil rights because people like you...the naysayers....sacked this presidential race from the beginning...

since you weren't part of the solution, you're simply part of the problems..

Romney ran a superb race but he couldn't undo the Soros vote rigging machines and the other fraud....

6 posted on 11/07/2012 3:32:07 AM PST by cherry
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To: xzins
good conservatives LOST tonight...Mia Love and Allen West.....

you can't have your cake and eat it too...either Romney wasn't conservative enough for you or Mia and Allen were too conservative....

figure it out sometime....

7 posted on 11/07/2012 3:33:56 AM PST by cherry
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To: Eccl 10:2

Todd Akin was the single biggest factor... after the media of course


8 posted on 11/07/2012 3:35:00 AM PST by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: xzins
I tend to agree with you. Romney is a nice guy and nice guys always finish last.
9 posted on 11/07/2012 3:35:18 AM PST by tobyhill (Obamacare, the final nail in the US coffin.)
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To: Eccl 10:2

His remark was about abortion

and he was right pretty much


10 posted on 11/07/2012 3:35:22 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: xzins
To this day, I still don't understand how or why Romney got to be the nominee in the first place.

The gun-grabbing architect of the blueprint for Obamacare, who lost to the guy who lost to Obama the last time? Are you kidding me?!

I'm sorry, the Republican Party, and this entire country, is hopelessly lost. We're officially at the "brace for impact" stage of things now, and nothing is going to stop it.

11 posted on 11/07/2012 3:36:31 AM PST by Zeddicus
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To: xzins

The GOP will never win the Hispanic vote...no matter how much Illegal Alien Amnesty you give. McCain did not get even 1/3 rd of the Hispanic vote in 2008, and he authored the Illegal Alien Amnesty bill in 2007

An Illegal Alien’s rights end when his rights violate the rights of those legally here....that is what real inalienable rights are all about

You will not beat the Dems with more Liberalism


12 posted on 11/07/2012 3:37:10 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: xzins

Another concern: Voters blame Bush for the economy. Repubs never disavow what he did wrong (push programs like the prescription drug thing) that increased the deficit or the problems that liberals created (affordable housing). Obama supported both of those causes of the problem.z

In short, no Republicans tried to inform the public.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 3:37:31 AM PST by djpg
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To: Viennacon

“Young voters, Hispanic voters, black voters, and single women voters “

The Free Sh*t Army


14 posted on 11/07/2012 3:37:34 AM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Bulwinkle

West , Love , Allen, all lost too! This country is done.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 3:38:33 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: All

Attacking each other isn’t going to help.

I really do think it was voter fraud.

I can see how the morons would vote for O (though don’t agree) but the Senate races? And some House seats?


16 posted on 11/07/2012 3:38:45 AM PST by FUBO
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To: cherry

I agree with you - Romney was a good candidate. The problem is that he didn’t simply run against Obama - he ran against the media. If I learned anything from this election it was to send a check to Free Republic, support Rush Limbaugh, etc. We can’t win elections without first managing to overcome the corrupt media machine.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 3:39:39 AM PST by onevoter
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To: xzins
All true.

Now it's time for the GOP-E (and the country) to reap the whirlwind.

18 posted on 11/07/2012 3:39:56 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: xzins
Let me get this straight. Akin and Mourdock, two Tea Party candidates, can't even win in Missouri and Indiana, both of which went for Romney by 10% margins, but you think a conservative Akin- or Mourdock-type candidate could have won the presidency. While I wish that were true, I'm gonna bow to recent experience and say it's unlikely.

At the same time, I see your point. I think conservatives need a wake-up call about what is possible. We need to nominate a straight-up conservative ticket in 2016 and see where that takes us. If we re-run 2008's complete wipeout, it will lead the more intransigent among us to understand that you can't go home again.

Politics is the art of the possible. What is possible in red states is different from what is possible in swing states. If we require multiple shellackings at the polls to accept this basic principle, so be it.

Am I being defeatist? All I can say is that the Founding Fathers understood that democracy is a death spiral. Once the property requirement was removed from the franchise, ambitious politicians began buying indigent votes with other people's money. Reagan's failure to dismantle the Education Department one year into its existence shows that the death spiral doesn't stop even for the nimblest of politicians. Ultimately, we, the people, have pointed a pistol at our collective head. Every program the Dems gin up gets us in deeper. I just want to stand athwart history, yelling stop. Unfortunately, it just keeps hurtling into the abyss.

19 posted on 11/07/2012 3:40:53 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: xzins

It sucks, but everything played out the way I thought it would. Run two liberals against each other and the more liberal one will win.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 3:41:20 AM PST by ChuckHam
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To: xzins; Haiku Guy; Eccl 10:2; Tax-chick; Viennacon; cherry
It was too late for Romney, though. He had already taken a hard line stance to win the primary debate with Perry, attacking him mercilessly along with Michelle Bachman. He launched another barrage against Newt Gingrich on the same subject. Neither Romney nor Bachman was experienced in winning the Hispanic vote.

And the Axelrod Full-Bore Campaign machine would have chewed up and spit out Bachmann, Perry, Santorum and even Gingrich ten times faster than the Romney Primary machine did.

xzins, YOU are wrong. Viennacon is correct.

There are 58 million Americans who hate America. Insurmountable at this point.

Reagan would have been beat yesterday, too.

21 posted on 11/07/2012 3:41:28 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Viennacon

Young voters, Hispanic voters, black voters, and single women voters are larger segments of the electorate now, and they all vote against us.

***The reason why 0bama won that bloc is because he’s black. Bush & Kerry divided the bloc with a nod to Bush because he spoke spanish. Obama wins it because he’s ‘cool’, black, and an underrepresented minority.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 3:45:19 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Zhang Fei
Am I being defeatist? All I can say is that the Founding Fathers understood that democracy is a death spiral. Once the property requirement was removed from the franchise, ambitious politicians began buying indigent votes with other people's money. Reagan's failure to dismantle the Education Department one year into its existence shows that the death spiral doesn't stop even for the nimblest of politicians. Ultimately, we, the people, have pointed a pistol at our collective head. Every program the Dems gin up gets us in deeper. I just want to stand athwart history, yelling stop. Unfortunately, it just keeps hurtling into the abyss.

Great analysis. I don't think you are being defeatist. Merely realistic. Sad to say, the *only* thing that I think could save this country is for the inevitable economic collapse to be sudden, rather than gradual.
23 posted on 11/07/2012 3:45:51 AM PST by jjsheridan5
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To: xzins

Don’t blame Romney. Blame our population. We could have trotted 10 Reagans out there and they’d all have lost. Americans don’t want whole conservatism or half conservatism. They want communism.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 3:46:07 AM PST by ryan71 (Water, food and ammo.)
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To: Timber Rattler
Now it's time for the GOP-E (and the country) to reap the whirlwind.

Mia Love, Allen West, Akin, Rehberg, Berg and Mourdock were Tea Party candidates. They lost in both swing and red states. I think we're reaping the whirlwind for running candidates that were too conservative for their districts or states.

25 posted on 11/07/2012 3:48:32 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: ryan71

In some respects I think the GOP-E wanted it to turn out this way. The economy is going to collapse before 2016. It’s not going to be pretty.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 3:50:07 AM PST by ChuckHam
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To: Viennacon

The Founders didn’t put a right to vote in the Constitution for a REASON

Deficits of over a TRILLION dollars a year, stagnant wages, assaults on religion and the private sector, nationalization of the healthcare industry, and yet the demented communist in the White House still has the vote of 48-50% of the US population and wins reelection

What that means is that this Republic will fall, but not before the Washingtonians rob every last dime from working Americans

The Republican Party is nothing more than a bunch of degenerate blue blood banker country clubbers who waged war against the sons of the Founders in 1861 and murdered the Republic via imposition of Universal Suffrage via Constitutional Amendment.

They have since conspired with the communist faction of their fellow Washingtonians to make slaves of the working man outside of DC, under penalty of imprisonment via the IRS and the DOJ.

The Washingtonians have got it figured out, and basically fight every 4 years over control of the cash extorted from the working class.

The RNC and their greedy pulled back wives aren’t much different than the DNC commies, it’s all a scam.

Get out before they put up a wall to keep you in.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 3:51:35 AM PST by Rome2000 (NO ONE IN ROMNEYS DIRECT LINE HAS EVER SERVED THE UNITED STATES IN UNIFORM 170 YEARS)
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To: cherry

“he couldn’t undo the Soros vote rigging machines and the other fraud....”

I actually believe that’s the reason. We knew about some cheating, but I figure that’s only about 1% of what actually happened. As long as the GOP rolls over, this will never change.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 3:51:46 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: xzins

If you think Romney was the wrong man please tell us who the right man (or woman) was. Who was the candidate who could have convinced America it was time to take their medicine?


29 posted on 11/07/2012 3:51:50 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: sam_paine

I was thinking the same thing. I don’t think Reagan could of won against this electorate. The electorate has changed and I fear that we’re in for a rude awakening in some form or another (economic, militarily, etc.) Maybe that’s what it is going to take. Basically, there is more of them then there are of us!


30 posted on 11/07/2012 3:52:11 AM PST by upbeat5
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To: Viennacon
I REFUSE to compromise the basic principles of the party by the amount we would have to so that we can “snare” these voters.

Why would you have to. Conservatism is an idea - a philosophy, not a race or ethnic group.

Allen West is a conservative, Sara Palin...etc.

Educating the people is what is needed.

Like Rush Limbaugh says: "conservatism wins everytime it's tried".

It was not tried in 2012 or in 2008.

Mitt Romney is no conservative.

31 posted on 11/07/2012 3:52:33 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: Zhang Fei
What is possible in red states

The GOP can start with not calling itself "Red"

The GOP needs to die.

32 posted on 11/07/2012 3:53:44 AM PST by Rome2000 (NO ONE IN ROMNEYS DIRECT LINE HAS EVER SERVED THE UNITED STATES IN UNIFORM 170 YEARS)
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To: xzins

The parasites now outnumber the producers - that’s the bottom line. God has given us over just as Paul warned. I’m now convinced the preppers are right. Better stock up on guns, food and ammo. And get right with the Lord.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 3:54:01 AM PST by circlecity
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To: onevoter
I agree with you - Romney was a good candidate. The problem is that he didn’t simply run against Obama - he ran against the media. If I learned anything from this election it was to send a check to Free Republic, support Rush Limbaugh, etc. We can’t win elections without first managing to overcome the corrupt media machine.

It's a given that Republicans always run against the media. I think Romney's problem was his lack of a ground game. He relied too much on ad blitzes. Rove's genius was his unprecedented ground game - his lavish GOTV efforts to get people to the polls helped avert what might have been Gore or Kerry victories. With the amount of money Romney had, he should have been able to replicate Rove's ground game. Unfortunately, he went almost 100% with ad blitzes, relying on volunteers for his GOTV effort instead of hiring full-timers.

34 posted on 11/07/2012 3:54:14 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“Let me get this straight. Akin and Mourdock, two Tea Party candidates, can’t even win in Missouri and Indiana, both of which went for Romney by 10% margins, but you think a conservative Akin- or Mourdock-type candidate could have won the presidency. While I wish that were true, I’m gonna bow to recent experience and say it’s unlikely. “

Nowhere in the ‘conservative handbook’ does it say that you have to talk about rape in dumb ways. You can be pro-life without making it about personal theology.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 3:55:39 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: xzins

Romney lost because we failed to turn out the vote. Evamgelicals, it seems, would rather have a left wing president who supports abortion and gay marriage, than vote for a morman. Self proclaimed tru conservative,like many onFR, would rather have Obama than vote for that RINO Romney. We get the government we deserve. Toall those who voted their conscience and went third party in VA and FL, congratulate yourselves on Obama’s reelection. You held true to your principals! Good for you!


36 posted on 11/07/2012 3:56:01 AM PST by RayBob (If guns kill people, can I blame misspelled words on my keyboard?)
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To: xzins
It is very easy today to say that one knew that Romney would lose. However, I posted on August 29: Mark this date, August 29,2012 and this statement: “The GOP has no intention of beating 0bambi and Romney will find a way to throw the election.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2924247,10

That moment came in the third debate when Romney began agreeing with the Communist. Yet, Conservatives gambled everything on one roll of the dice with Romney. They worked their tails off; they massed for rallies and they got out the vote.

Romney was expected to win and win big. States that were thought untouchable (PA, WI, MI) were “in play”. The coattails would be big and we'd take back the Senate. We know today that it was all a myth. This election was just another “heads you win, tails I lose” for Conservatives.

Now the recriminations start. It is Conservatives fault that Romney lost; we're too radical. GOP needs to keep losing with RINOs; already Jeb Bush is being talked about as the likely nominee in 2016.

Please fellow Conservatives, get it through your heads: THERE IS NO PLACE FOR US IN THE GOP. When Allen West is redistricted out of a seat (by Republicans) and a seat created for Allan Grayson, it's all over. The Republicrats and the Democans are THE one political party running America today.

Me, I'm leaving the Republican Party. It doesn't exist in DE anyway. Whigs, meet your modern counterparts.

37 posted on 11/07/2012 3:56:30 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Zhang Fei

Just go and join the democrats. I hate to tell you. If the R’s shift left anymore, its over.


38 posted on 11/07/2012 3:56:51 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Viennacon

Agreed. This slide into Socialism is exactly why the framers restricted the vote to property owners.


39 posted on 11/07/2012 3:56:51 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Eccl 10:2

“That put our side on the defensive with women and we never recovered.”

He turned it into a national issue that affected everyone.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 3:56:55 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: ChuckHam

With half our population thinking the way it does I see only one way it can be corrected...A sudden and massive economic collapse followed by war. Perhaps the real United States would rise up from the ashes, perhaps not, but I don’t see any other way. If the last 4 years could not do it, then it won’t happen democratically or peacefully.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 3:57:11 AM PST by ryan71 (Water, food and ammo.)
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To: sam_paine
"Reagan would have been beat yesterday, too. "

Stated, but not proven, FRiend.

The final outcome was predicted ... but ignored; and how those
who accurately predicted it ... truly, truly wish we were wrong.

42 posted on 11/07/2012 3:58:00 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: xzins

Cheating and the woman vote won it for Obama. Now women can continue to kill their babies.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 3:58:20 AM PST by bmwcyle (45% to 47% of American voters are stupid)
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To: jjsheridan5

It is a good analysis, and there is truth to democracy’s inherent weakness. From its conception, it eventually does descend into a dominant-party system, 9 times out of 10, on the side of the left wing. They control colleges. They import immigrants. Eventually, they take control. ALL of Europe fell to the left shortly before the collapse of the USSR.

This eventually collapses itself, because welfare for all is unsustainable. It has a shorter shelf-life than flat-out communism. When this happens, you get situations where previously insignificant, extreme parties gain momentum and influence as they promise a solution.

It would seem that the only way to uphold sound spending, self-reliance, and basic moral values, is through an autocracy, but that itself contradicts the key right of representative government. See the problem?


44 posted on 11/07/2012 3:59:20 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Rome2000
The GOP can start with not calling itself "Red" The GOP needs to die.

If the GOP dies, conservatives will become like the Libertarian Party, irrelevant. Ultimately, it's a coalition of disparate interests. Currently, libertarians, small government ideologues, social conservatives, large corporate interests and small business interests have all made their home in the GOP. If each of these blocs goes off on its own, conservatism is dead as a political force.

45 posted on 11/07/2012 3:59:34 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Viennacon
I would suggest that any conservative that is able to qualify for freebies but hasn't because of pride, immediately head to their local freebie office and get it all. If the Latinos, young people and single voters want a a socialist Utopia, let them pay for it. Any conservative who has the ability to remove the self from the “pay” side and put them self on the “receive” side, should do so.
46 posted on 11/07/2012 3:59:42 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: xzins

It should have been Santorum. Romney was too much like Obama. Why change?


48 posted on 11/07/2012 4:01:02 AM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: RayBob

They love themselves more than America.


49 posted on 11/07/2012 4:01:09 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Viennacon

Wrong. It was the changing demographics of the United States.

Dick Morris just said that he predicted a Romney landslide because he thought the electorate would return to 2004 levels. So did I. It didn’t. This electorate is here to stay, and (for once), Morris is right. Republicans will NEVER win with the electorate as it is. It’s not possible.

Young voters, Hispanic voters, black voters, and single women voters are larger segments of the electorate now, and they all vote against us.

I REFUSE to compromise the basic principles of the party by the amount we would have to so that we can “snare” these voters. We might as well just have the Democrap party, rather than two Democrap parties.

I’ve said already. We are the Copts. A minority living under the tyranny of the majority.


The thread author is wrong. This poster is correct, and, the dead people voting, illegals, were not to be stoppped last night. Soros funded and won the election. I am not sure if there will be another election and even if there is, between now and then, Boehner may be too wimpy and those who voted for 0bummer not sure if all the time he violates the constitution if they’ll care or even worse, if they’ll even know. Those who suck $ out of your wallet forcefully are not fully in power. The era of fully fearing your government is upon us.


50 posted on 11/07/2012 4:01:51 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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