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Trump: Obama Re-election Cause for 'Revolution'
The Hill ^ | 11/07/12 12:26 AM ET | Alicia M. Cohn

Posted on 11/07/2012 12:52:28 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior

Donald Trump decried the Electoral College and called for a revolution in the wake of the reelection of President Obama on Tuesday night.

Trump, in one of the most extreme reactions to Mitt Romney’s loss by a high-profile Republican, called for Americans to “march on Washington.”

The real estate mogul and host of reality show “The Apprentice” has been an outspoken supporter of Mitt Romney. He used Twitter to object vehemently to the Electoral College system that he predicted would give the win to Obama and the popular vote to the GOP challenger.

Obama was declared the winner of the election on Tuesday after multiple networks declared he won Ohio, thus weighting the electoral map in his favor. Romney was still leading in the popular vote shortly after midnight.

Trump called the Electoral College “a disaster for a democracy … a total sham and a travesty.”

But either Trump or his team was deleting his tweets as fast as he sent them, including two that called for a “revolution.”

One read: “We should have a revolution in this country!”

Another said: “More votes equals a loss...revolution!”

Unlike Trump, other conservatives on Twitter were less riled by Romney’s loss.

Erick Erickson, founder of the influential conservative Red State blog, was critical of the Romney campaign on Twitter and counseled that Obama’s reelection hardly means the end of the conservative movement.

Erickson actually indicated he was resigned to the outcome before the major networks called the race for Obama, tweeting a “thanks” to Team Obama before following up later with a "congratulations" and a promise.

But longtime Republican campaign strategist Karl Rove disputed the Ohio call in the minutes after most major networks declared it a win for Obama, warning it was too early. Fox News heard him out and even took viewers on a trip backstage to the decision desk to question the math behind the decision. The network ultimately decided to stand behind its decision to call Ohio for Obama.

“I just wanted to raise the question, which I did,” Rove defended himself a few minutes later, accepting the call.


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Regardless of what you think of Trump he's 100% correct to call for a Revolution. You can't win in a broken system like we have now. There may be a lot of uncertainties that come with this course of action, but it's the only option we have if we are going to salvage our Constitution. A lot of Conservatives in the media leading up to this election said things about Obama that will make it hard for them to call for anything less, or at least not be able to seriously oppose it.
1 posted on 11/07/2012 12:52:33 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Welp, someone better fire the 1st shot and get the party started.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 12:54:53 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/trump-twitter-revolution-obama/2012/11/07/id/463125


3 posted on 11/07/2012 12:55:15 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (We must start working outside the broken, corrupt, and unconstitutional system to save this nation.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Violent uprisings are always bloody affairs and harder than they sound.

I advise against it.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 12:56:32 AM PST by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
Take a long walk on a short pier, Don. You all blew it!
5 posted on 11/07/2012 12:58:53 AM PST by oyez (ex-GOP)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

This is treason, pure and simple. Trump should be jailed for this type of talk.

Vote if you want results. One narrow loss does not call for revolution.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 1:00:13 AM PST by Zombie Lincoln (Romney/Ryan 2012)
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To: oyez

Trump had nothing but hot air. He wasted time and effort. He created sympathy for Obama and made Dems look reasonable and sane. Screw the Donald.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 1:01:01 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

“called for Americans to march on Washington”

Hey Donald? Were you there when the Tea Party Marched on Washington, and held rallies regionally?

Or were you with bankers and insurance “paper” MBS makers who have got off with heir scott free bailouts.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 1:01:23 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Tzimisce

The sad thing is, with the A__hole in charge, a bloody affair may be the preferable option.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 1:02:13 AM PST by Segovia
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
Blah, blah, blah, as we will hear in the days to come.

Okay, Mr. Comb-over, you first. No? I didn't think so.

11 posted on 11/07/2012 1:04:40 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever Against All Enemies - Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Abolishing the Electoral collage is NOT even remotely close to the answer. that will just enable the mob to rob us of our rights all the more effervescently.

Indeed the only real answer in dealing with criminals(the mob voting itself money from our rights & liberty) is to cut off their access to us. Yes that means a revolution too but the American kind.(Secession)


12 posted on 11/07/2012 1:06:37 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: TigerClaws
Donald should stick to the damned real estate. He is worthless in the political arena.Just a joke with money.
13 posted on 11/07/2012 1:07:26 AM PST by oyez (ex-GOP)
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To: Utmost Certainty

“Welp, someone better fire the 1st shot and get the party started”
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Trump’s revolution won’t just start spontaneously next week.
BUT.. if the economy collapses and unemployment skyrockets and the Federal Government goes broke for real, and then can’t pay Social Security, Medicare, EBT food stamp cards..

THEN.. your revolution WILL start. Maybe preceded by a
military coup... or in concert with it.


14 posted on 11/07/2012 1:07:26 AM PST by NeverForgetBataan (I am become Barry... destroyer of wealth)
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To: Varsity Flight

Varsity Flight who cares where he was before just accept that he and many others are with us now. Late commers are better than no commers.

Donald welcome to the party pal!


15 posted on 11/07/2012 1:08:43 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Folks, if we can’t sell our ideas, then Revolution would only leave us with a populace that didn’t buy into what we were doing.

It would be inappropriate for the Left to revolt. It would be inappropriate for us to.

We have got to re-educate people somehow. I don’t know how you do that these days, but people just aren’t buying what we’re selling.

Trump is all bluster, and no action. He would start something that we had to finish. He’s a wealthy hot-head, just as dumb as any poor hot-head.

Ignore him. Obama and his inJustice Department would love nothing more than to be able to take down a large body of Conservatives for cause.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 1:09:30 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

He sounds as wacky as Obama.

Let’s throw away the constitution he cries.....

Grow up, Donald.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 1:10:36 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

If I were Trump, I’d take my money and go to a country where it would be appreciated. Wealthy conservatives should not stay in the USA, where their money is confiscated and used to buy votes for the Democrats. And he better do it now, before laws can be made that limits what he can take out of the country.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 1:10:36 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Tzimisce

nothing violent if we can avoid it. We simply have to find a way to cut off the criminals acess to our money & freedom.

Generally that requires secession when that criminal is a hostilities and select majority.

Thus the revolution required is very much an American revolution.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 1:11:08 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: Tzimisce
We don't have to start violence. We can work on the state level to put the federal government in a situation to either give us our freedom, or give the unpopular order for federal forces to invade a state and kill innocent patriots. I think that's an order that could easily be ignored even if it was ever given.

We are wasting time working in a broken system that we can't win in. Anyone who doesn't see that at the national level needs to wake up. We can put the feds in the position of initiating any violence by just ignoring blatant unconstitutional laws and mandates at the state level, and warn that any use of force will be resisted to let them know the stakes.

Those who can't fathom a Revolution should just give up because we are coming to our end one way or the other. Those who don't take revolution serious these days are the same people who see our founding fathers as fictional characters they pretend to admire, but laugh at when it comes to their beliefs. Violence isn't the first thing a person who is seriously thinking about revolution thinks about, although you must be willing to take it as far as it goes once started. We have realistic options that could very well end peacefully. The union is probably done, but people need start accepting reality if we are going to come out of this dire situation the best we possibly can.

20 posted on 11/07/2012 1:12:44 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (We must start working outside the broken, corrupt, and unconstitutional system to save this nation.)
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To: oyez

yeah i agree with you here...
Somebody shove that hairpiece in his mouth.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 1:12:54 AM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
I dont think the electoral college is to blame. I think that elections are now decided by certain county controllers offices.

Early voting puts counting of votes in the hands of whoever is in charge of each county controllers office. Then we have electronic voting which is also easy to rig .

Maybe Trump could get ahold of some of those arms Obama supplied to the Arab Spring rebels for us to take to Washington. I dont like being a slave to a tyrannical government any more than a Libyan or Syrian rebel does .

22 posted on 11/07/2012 1:13:11 AM PST by KTM rider
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To: Zombie Lincoln

“This is treason, pure and simple. Trump should be jailed for this type of talk.”

Don’t give Obama any ideas.


23 posted on 11/07/2012 1:14:27 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: Christie at the beach

The Federal Constitution is a pile of ash in the fire place ‘Christie at the beach’ its been that way for as long as it has been effectively meaningless in restraining Washington.

You can’t throw away that which no longer practically exist to be thrown away. Trumb is right we need a revolution, but an American revolution(secession) not a french revolution. Too many of our population are criminally corrupted by the idea that they can vote themselves money at the expense of a dwindling political minority.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 1:15:03 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

I think trump realizes that Obama is about to tear down, and nationalize, his financial accomplishments big time.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 1:16:03 AM PST by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: Monorprise

I doubt there’s any realizable courses of action for secession, but it sounds like a nice idea.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 1:19:08 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Zombie Lincoln
You can't be serious. It's not just this election. We have an enormous unconstitutional out of control government that will never resemble what our founding fathers wanted for us.

Anyone who has read our Constitution, and the writing of our founding fathers know where they would stand on this issue. How did you forget about all the tyranny we live under? You really think it's just this one election? People need to stop lying to themselves. We can't stop unconstitutional liberalism, or even stop it for that matter, and history has shown us that. Just because our options aren't all that good isn't an excuse to continue lying to yourself.

27 posted on 11/07/2012 1:20:19 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (We must start working outside the broken, corrupt, and unconstitutional system to save this nation.)
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To: Monorprise

That will not filter down to the masses...

We are not at the place to where it’s totally a pile of ash...


28 posted on 11/07/2012 1:25:02 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: Zombie Lincoln

Vote if you want results.... seriously?!

I’m not for revolution. I am for the peaceful breakup of the United States. It’s time for us to go our separate ways.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 1:25:44 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Zombie Lincoln

Too late for Revolution. I suggest he re-join the Democrat Party—Anyone who says anything against Obama should be hung for treason! Obama is a genius! He can not say a lie! We must support him in all we do and say! Obama is the New America! The GOP is dead-—Killed by greed and RINOHOOD. Let us work to give him a third term to clean up George Bush’s mess. If Trump wanted a revolution why didn’t he run for President?


30 posted on 11/07/2012 1:31:43 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Utmost Certainty

I believe there is. It simply requires our organization and networking. The persecution we are about to face under what they call a “dominant party system” is enough to bind us all together as a united force. We’ll be like the Catalonians in Spain, and they’re almost home free from what I hear.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 1:32:36 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Violence is not the answer. The whole system is about to collapse under its own corruption soon anyway. Maybe that is what it will take for people to come back to the ideas that this nation was founded on and prospered under until so many forgot and started preaching the morality of altruism.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 1:34:51 AM PST by albionin
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To: TigerClaws
If you believe this is treason then you must believe our founding fathers were guilty of the same thing. It doesn't matter what he's done in the past. It doesn't make this comment wrong. I have never been a fan of his, but he is saying something that needs to be said with this comment. I think it's something influential Conservatives need to start talking about. How do you say the things Mark Levin and others have said about Obama and our Constitution, and then not leave open the door for other options our founders advised us on in such a situation? You are wasting your time working in an unconstitutional and corrupt system. I am eager to hear what those who told us how unconstitutional Obama was think we should do next. I said they were doing nothing but legitimizing a fraudulent election all along. A lot of people boycotted this election, and they didn't do that because they like Obama, or are willing to accept his tyranny.

Foreign election officials amazed by trust-based U.S. voting system http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/06/foreign_election_officials_amazed_by_trust_based_us_voting_system

33 posted on 11/07/2012 1:35:51 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (We must start working outside the broken, corrupt, and unconstitutional system to save this nation.)
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To: albionin

I don’t know. It’s not inconceivable that it could drag on this way for a century or more.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 1:36:56 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Zombie Lincoln

The very narrowness of the loss is cause enough for concern. Because the loss was to a point of view with which there is little or no chance of compromise.

John Edwards was much more astute than he knew, when a few years ago he announced there were “two Americas”. But he read the division wrongly, the “two Americas” were not along class lines or wealth, they were split along the division of persons with one point of view that was irreconcilable with the other, of either a broad-based and reasonably educated populace aware of its history and ethical standards, or the polarized society of the ruling elite standing over a passive mass of subjects obedient to the whim of its largely self-appointed leaders.

America has reverted to the kind of rule by the elite that characterized every republic that has chosen to become an hereditary kingdom or empire, with centralized control of most aspects of its subjects’ lives. Fortunately, throughout most of human history, the administration of this centralized rule was so inefficient, it was difficult to impose it with much consistency or force except in very specialized situations. But with emergence of new forms of technology, a much more directed and much firmer degree of control of just about every subject is becoming possible, and old concepts of privacy and individual initiative are pretty much out the window.

If a road to compromise cannot be found, then secession is an option that should be exercised. Just because the South chose the wrong principle to support as the basis for its breaking away from the Union to form the Confederacy, does in no way invalidate the principle that was but the exercise of declaring independence, when compromise became impossible. The Union only prevailed over the Confederacy because of superior technology and the force of arms, not because of some divine right.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 1:38:37 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

“Regardless of what you think of Trump he’s 100% correct to call for a Revolution. You can’t win in a broken system like we have now. There may be a lot of uncertainties that come with this course of action, but it’s the only option we have if we are going to salvage our Constitution. A lot of Conservatives in the media leading up to this election said things about Obama that will make it hard for them to call for anything less, or at least not be able to seriously oppose it.”

Are you nuts? Revolution will LOSE us the Constitution - at least what is still left of it.

Trump is a complete idiot. The Electoral college protects a republican form of government, which Trump apparently does not like.

If one is serious about restoring the Republic, by definition one must insist on electing only original intent, small r-republican constitutionalists, and absolutely refusing to support liberals like Romney ever again.

If one is serious about restoring the Republic, one must support efforts to educate others about freedom and liberty.

But most of all, if one is serious about restoring the Republic, one’s children must never set foot in the socialist indoctrination centers aka public schools.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 1:38:48 AM PST by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: txrefugee

Including himself.

But it is time to set in place the mechanisms of self protection. Including safe comms, underground railway and good wartime intelligence.


37 posted on 11/07/2012 1:39:21 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Utmost Certainty

No it has dragged on for almost a century and the cancer is in the terminal phase. Once a country surpasses 100% of GDP in debt with a fiat currency it isn’t going to take long. Can you really see this system going on through 4 more years of trillion plus annual deficits when the rest of the world is also in such bad shape? I just hope when it happens that it also happens to the Russians and the Chinese or they’ll jump at the chance to “help” us.


38 posted on 11/07/2012 1:44:05 AM PST by albionin
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To: albionin

A Revolution can be started without initiating any violence. It can start with defiance that puts the federal government in conflict with the states. You put them in a situation to grant you the liberty you have lost, or to attempt to control you with violence. A planned Revolution will have a better outcome than anarchy following our collapse. It’s a collapse that will catch many people and states completely unprepared for even though everyone knows it’s coming. I am willing to take the risk of Revolution because it’s the only option that has any chance to salvage anything good this nation was built on. If it fails then it was still the only choice. We lost our chance for better options than this a long time ago.


39 posted on 11/07/2012 1:47:13 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (We must start working outside the broken, corrupt, and unconstitutional system to save this nation.)
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To: albionin

How many other countries are at >100% GDP? I know Japan is one, it’s still here.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 1:47:53 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: albionin

How many other countries are at >100% Debt to GDP? I know Japan is one, it’s still here.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 1:49:22 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: albionin

It was once said, the optimists among us should be learning Russian. The pessimists ought to concentrate on learning Chinese.

But considering who has just “won” a second term in the White Hut, perhaps we shold be studying Arabic, just so we can find all the loopholes in the Koran. Because that is going to be the governing document when the subversion of the Supreme Court is complete.


42 posted on 11/07/2012 1:51:25 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Such a revolution would by definition have to be anti-American.

“American,” if it means anything, means rule for, of and by the people.

Your revolution would by definition be of a minority (one with which I happen to agree) against the majority.

Breitbart was right. He who controls the culture rules. In the long run he will swing elections. With his death we lost the only person who seemed to understand how to fight their control of the culture. The greatest tragedy of this century, IMO.

Of course, the century is young, and those who now control the country and the world will have lots of chances to top it.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 1:52:56 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

That is a very interesting point. What if we stopped running presidential races, knowing the demographics now bar us from victory, put everything we had into filling state senates and houses (in red states) with our guys, along with the governship, and judiciary. Divide the states from the government as much as we can.

UPDATE: MICHELLE BACHMANN WON! YES!


44 posted on 11/07/2012 1:58:29 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: alloysteel

In most southern states, at least after shooting started, a majority of probably 90%+ supported the CSA.

In today’s South, it is unlikely attempts at secession would be able to draw even a bare majority. How do you run a secession/revolution when most of the people are opposed?

America is based on rule by the people. A revolution of the type proposed would have to be based on some other principle, overriding the vote, and would therefore by definition by anti-American.


45 posted on 11/07/2012 2:01:40 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: SecAmndmt
We haven't been able to stop the loss of freedom, and the growth of unconstitutional liberalism; or even stop it. We have a history showing we can't stop it in this broken system. We might as well be electing politicians into the Chinese government and expecting to push through freedom and anticommunist issues. You are literally going to have the same success rate at trying to stop the progression of unconstitutional liberalism, forget about reversing it.

Our country is finished, and we have to accept that. It's time for the states to become independent, or start discussing new unions built on a Constitution that our founders believed in. You will never see a government that's anywhere near Constitutional with what we have now. It must collapse and be rebuilt if we have any chance to see that day. I know it's sad to think of our union breaking up, but it's happening, and it has to happen if we are going to get any nation built that resembles what our founding fathers wanted. We live under more tyranny than our founders did, and they thought war was justifiable in their situation. We have hope of a more peaceful outcome, and owe it to them to at least try saving the country instead of lying to ourselves until it collapses.

46 posted on 11/07/2012 2:02:29 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (We must start working outside the broken, corrupt, and unconstitutional system to save this nation.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
Trump is a fruit loop. We had our opportunity yesterday to vote out the occupier of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Buy some media outlets Donald, then maybe you can have a ‘shot’ at educating people that voting for wealth distribution has a very short term shelf life.
47 posted on 11/07/2012 2:05:37 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: Sherman Logan

We would have the same support we had in our first Revolution. You do know most of the people wanted nothing to do with it don’t you? It would be the same now. A small percentage of the population will be all that’s willing to get involved personally regardless of whether they support or oppose it. They won’t be actively opposing anyone. You also forget that it doesn’t matter how much of the population disagrees with the Constitution, unless they change it the way it was meant to be changed their opinion on it means nothing. They can’t change it the right way, and don’t even bother with that process anymore. The fact is most Americans are ignorant on our Constitution, and everything this nation was built on. That’s why we are in this situation. Considering our second amendment was given to us to protect ourselves against a tyrannical government like we have now, there are still a ridiculous amount of people who believe it’s for hunting. That sadly includes many who support the right.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 2:13:13 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (We must start working outside the broken, corrupt, and unconstitutional system to save this nation.)
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To: Utmost Certainty
I know Japan is one, it’s still here.

And its about to have a war with China over some islands. Probably just a coincidence.

49 posted on 11/07/2012 2:15:49 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Just mythoughts
How long are people like you going to lie to themselves that they will ever be able to get actual change working within the broken system we have now? Why do so many people not understand what our founding fathers advised us to do in a situation like this where we are living under tyranny? The second amendment right was given to us to protect against this kind of government for Gods sakes. The people who can't see any kind of revolution now, will never support a revolution under any terms, and would be the same people opposing our founding fathers.
50 posted on 11/07/2012 2:24:33 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (We must start working outside the broken, corrupt, and unconstitutional system to save this nation.)
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