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Agonizing Reappraisal-Done Right!
vanity | November 7, 2012 | Nathan Bedford

Posted on 11/06/2012 10:42:38 PM PST by nathanbedford

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To: nathanbedford

This is what happens when you nominate the electable candidate.


21 posted on 11/06/2012 10:58:35 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: ari-freedom

It also doesn’t help that election day comes right after Halloween instead of after Thanksgiving.

+++++++++++++++++++++

Election Day on April 15 would work magic....


22 posted on 11/06/2012 10:59:15 PM PST by kevao (Hey, Obama: The 1930s called, they want their economic policy back.)
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To: GerardKempf
Look at what happened tonite to Mourdouk and Akin in heavily Republican states. We lost taking the Senate because of the “no compromise, go for the jugglar” bs you spout. Romney lost because his campaign blew and because Evangelicals did not rally behind him because he’s flipped across the map. However a too far right candidate is not going to win. Right of center yes but too far right not gonna happen. Rubio or Jeb Bush in 2016. Walsh from Illinois lost, West and Bachmann may lose. See a pattern?

And who helped Akin lose tonight?

The same Pretend Republicans you are defending.

They turned their backs on him for a stupid comment.

Not because it was all that bad, but because they disagreed with him on his positions on Pro-Life and conservatism in general.

If they had not done that, Akin would have won.

Neither Jeb Bush or Rubio has a chance in Hell in 2016 because they are both Amnesty Queens.

We already had that with McCain, and you saw what that got us.

Either give us a conservative like Reagan, who fought for all aspects of conservatism, Moral, Fiscal, and military, or you'll get the same result.

No more Pretend conservatives.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, failing, but expecting to get different results.

Put up someone with the obvious and severe flaws in their conservatism like Jeb Bush or Rubio, and you are doomed to failure.
23 posted on 11/06/2012 11:02:00 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie
his support for Abortion and the Gay Agenda and with no clear, consistent limited government message was bound to lose.

I don't know what election you were watching, but Romney didn't lose on the issues of abortion and gays. If anything Obama won by the pro-aborts and gay marriage folks. And a blind armadillo could see that Obama is the big government choice.

We certainly could have had a stronger candidate - I don't know who that would have been among those who ran - but only the politically stupid conservative would not vote for Romney on those issues.

24 posted on 11/06/2012 11:02:15 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: INVAR

In the case of yesterday - a Liberal Democrat lost to a Marxist.

It’s not so simple for these reasons:
1) tough on illegals (compare with McCain and Perry) and that turns off hispanics
2) “47%” was the fiscal version of Akin’s comments
3) hard to be against unions and auto bailouts in Ohio
4) a libertarian stand on FEMA doesn’t help after Sandy

But if Romney was more conservative on the issue that counts, Romneycare, he probably wouldn’t have to prove his credentials with these edge cases.


25 posted on 11/06/2012 11:02:53 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: nathanbedford

My priest told me six months ago that it would be hard to elect Romney when 52% of the people receive a check when 48% pay for it. Beware of timely jokes...as the joke of the day was that the Romney supporter signed the front of the check and the Obama supporter signed the back of the check. These are truisms and I mourn the fate of our country. But what can you expect? Sixty years of NEA teachers have indoctrinated marginal students...no economics...socialist spin on history...no math...all lead to a stupid electorate, but not so dumb that they don’t know how to max the system. A stupid, stupid Supreme Court judge who lets Obamacare stand...people who say the number one problem is the economy, bush’s fault, and they re-elect this ass...dumb, dumb, dumb.....


26 posted on 11/06/2012 11:03:03 PM PST by MHT
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To: TBP

“If they can’t beat this America-hating tyrant in these circumstances...”

Exactly. And they will thwart attempts to do so. They have no intention of crushing the Dems. None whatsoever.

They are worse than worthless. They are our enemy’s friend.


27 posted on 11/06/2012 11:04:19 PM PST by Ray76
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To: nathanbedford

I think it is as simple as the takers out number the producers.

We’ve reached critical mass and there’s no going back.

The only choice now is hunker down and try to survive the coming storm.


28 posted on 11/06/2012 11:04:30 PM PST by DB
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To: nathanbedford
I posted this in another thread but it applies just as well here.

The problem is the majority wants their free shit and they don't care where it comes from. This problem is insurmountable. We will have to go through pure unadulterated hell and decades of unimaginable pain before it can be turned around. We have turned the corner from a constitutional representative republic to a make it up as you go parasitic socialist nightmare.

God help us.

29 posted on 11/06/2012 11:05:30 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (I can haz CW 2 now?)
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To: Terry Mross

The $800 billion stimulus went into the pockets of Obama supporters, and came out for victory tonight.


30 posted on 11/06/2012 11:06:29 PM PST by karnage
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To: D-fendr


Do you really think that if Romney had not come out in support of Abortion and the Gay Agenda that the election would have turned out like it did?

Do you really believe that conservatives in general would not have had such a lack-luster feeling for Romney, even aversion because of his history and his issue positions if he had actually acted like a conservative and taken conservative positions?

Do you really believe that a completely energized base, not acting our of fear of Obama, but out of support for a candidate that actually represented them, wdould not have made a major difference in the GOTV and in convincing everyone to vote for Romney?

He isn't a conservative, he did not run as a conservative, he depressed the vote.
31 posted on 11/06/2012 11:07:47 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: nathanbedford
deTocqueville and the 47%ers (conveniently budgeted out by target market by geography) + left-wing, dishonest press + voter fraud + disengaged electorate.
32 posted on 11/06/2012 11:08:37 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I agree with Behind Liberal Lines. Conservatives have no long term strategies to dominate these institutions. Why not apply the principles they have used to beat them at their own game. We already know what they are but Conservatives, for whatever reason fail to execute successfully like the left has over these last forty years. It won’t simply sink us to their level to use their techniques, because our philosophy of conservatism is good and just. Theirs is corrupt to it’s core.

Turning the Hispanic population over to mostly conservative is a good, long term goal. Why don’t we start there.


33 posted on 11/06/2012 11:08:54 PM PST by Al Gore Vidal
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To: GerardKempf

“West and Bachmann may lose. See a pattern?”

They made red meat statements that turned off others. But even more moderate Republicans lost. Obama and MSM knew what they were doing and that’s what gets the other Dems along with him.


34 posted on 11/06/2012 11:12:52 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: ari-freedom

Appealing to all those liberal ‘big tent’ factions guarantees permanent mediocrity and forever losses at the polls to the party of liberal/Socialist/Marxists.

Scripture says ‘My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” (Hosea 4:6).

We’re a house hopelessly divided, and the curses of Deuteronomy 28 are just beginning.


35 posted on 11/06/2012 11:15:13 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SoConPubbie
Do you really believe that conservatives in general would not have had such a lack-luster feeling for Romney..

To hell with lack-luster feelings, or any feelings, when we have a marxist regime in power in America.

Do you really think that if Romney had not come out in support of Abortion and the Gay Agenda

Where do you get that crap? Were you paying attention to the general election campaign at all? Do you know what the president controls on those issues?

I think anybody that cares about abortion that didn't crawl to vote for Romney is stupid.

I think anybody that cares about gay rights that didn't crawl to vote for Romney is stupid.

I think anybody that cares about the growth of government that didn't crawl to vote for Romney is stupid.

It would have been great to see the second incarnation of Ronald Reagan but for conservatives this was a very clear choice.

Either/and Obama was very successful in turning out his stupid people or Romney was not successful in turning out our stupid people.

36 posted on 11/06/2012 11:16:26 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: ari-freedom

You’re right we got punched in mouth tonite. However half of our party being too far right and the other being moderate and not coming to some sort of compromise is only going to assure the Dems of control. Hopefully we’ll learn from this tonite. We can’t continue to alienate differences within the party. Heck the Dems did a good job of meeting in the middle and look what happened?


37 posted on 11/06/2012 11:16:32 PM PST by GerardKempf (Let's Get Over This)
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To: nathanbedford
Look on the bright side. Obama can't blame his predecessor.
38 posted on 11/06/2012 11:18:43 PM PST by GVnana
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To: SoConPubbie; All
Romney, with his horrible record as Governor and his support for Abortion and the Gay Agenda and with no clear, consistent limited government message was bound to lose.

No one questioned his record as Governor. It was a total non issue. The candidate in support of abortion even for babies born alive and for the gay agenda WON so your idea Romney wasn't conservative enough for votes is a pathetic lie.

Romney ran precisely on a limited government message, so another lie.

I seem to recall you were for Santorum, Romney's primary stalking horse. Santorum as nominee would've been a blowout in Obama's favor akin to 1984.

Romney ran a winning campaign but more American voters decided to give the first black president of the United States a second chance. It's as simple as that.

If Romney was against John F. Kerry, Kerry loses handily. Now Kerry will take Hillary's place as Secretary of State.

It is what it is.

39 posted on 11/06/2012 11:18:53 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: nathanbedford

Part of the problem is that democratic-republicanism wasn’t meant to function with the inputs it’s working with. If we basically have to tell other adults to look both ways before crossing the street or you might get run over by a car, then something organic is wrong with the system. If people care more about weed and gay marriage and free contraceptives than a debt spiral which will bankrupt and destroy our society then there’s little to be done.


40 posted on 11/06/2012 11:20:00 PM PST by garbanzo (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine)
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