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The GOP is going to go ALL IN on Marco Rubio 2016
TOTAL VANITY | 11-6-12 | Moi

Posted on 11/06/2012 9:40:19 PM PST by Crimson Elephant

Right or wrong, the GOP is going to pinpoint a "latino problem", which will move Rubio to the front of the line.

You can't make exact comparisons, but this election is similar to 2004....Bush won...shocking the left, and the response was to go with the young guy who was different. There WILL be Obama fatigue by 2016, and the next person can't blame Bush any longer.

The GOP was never going to get the black vote, but they CAN get the latino vote. They are far less monolithic, and are more Christian than your typical white lefty. I also present there are a lot of conservative, hard working latinos who will more readily break from the Democratic fold than blacks....if the case is made to them.

Is Rubio automatically the GOP's Obama? Of course not. He might be, but whether he is or not, this, IMO, is likely to be what occurs.

The Demographic bomb is here. Romney just generated a close election in a DEMOCRAT +6 election....I think we'll look back on this and be amazed Romney got it this close.

The takeaway by the GOP, IMO, rightly or wrongly, will be a conservative, religious latino would flip the entire demographic bomb on its head.

ESPECIALLY if in 2016 the Dems go back to a white guy or woman. Of course, they might go Latino themselves...we'll have to see.

This is going to dramatically change the immigration debate, and I think the GOP is now going to decide to go all in, embrace "reform" and start trying to bring Christian Latinos into the GOP.

Rove made the Christian White Voter the centerpiece for Bush.

Going forward the GOP will try to flip the demographic wave on its head, and do a judo move.

Again...I am not saying this is right or wrong, or what SHOULD happen... it is just a forecast of what I think WILL happen.

One thing is sure, there is a decent chance to attract religious Latinos as opposed to religious blacks.

Now...will the GOP move left to do it?

The demographic wave is here, instead of moving left I hope the GOP makes the conservative case to that wave.

Get ready. Immigration reform will be Obamas NEXT BIG THING...and the GOP might just get onboard the train. For good or bad, for better or worse.

I fear a shift left. I think you can bring in Latinos AND go conservative...but I'm not sure they'll do it that way.

I just hope Rubio is the real deal...because I think he is the "next guy".


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1 posted on 11/06/2012 9:40:21 PM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: Crimson Elephant

Needed him this time.

Latino and women vote. Theres the problem and the future.


2 posted on 11/06/2012 9:41:59 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: Crimson Elephant

I believe you are incredibly optimistic to think there will be elections in 2016.


3 posted on 11/06/2012 9:44:12 PM PST by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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To: Crimson Elephant

and he will lose.


4 posted on 11/06/2012 9:44:38 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Don’t waste your time thinking about the next guy. Get some chips, dip and cheap Rose and enjoy watching the collapse. I almost forgot. Get a cigar and light it with a trillion dollar bill.


5 posted on 11/06/2012 9:45:17 PM PST by Stentor
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To: Crimson Elephant

Both candidates in 2016 will be Latino.


6 posted on 11/06/2012 9:45:25 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Crimson Elephant

They’re shifting left because that’s where the new center is.

We blew the center-right moment. Nixon first got it, and he screwed up with Watergate. Then Reagan gave us a second shot, and sure he might have made some short term gains, but look where we are now.

The left has demographics, academia, and the media. Conservatives are older, and dying off as time progresses.

Young Millennials like me aren’t religious, or social conservatives either. Being so will probably put me to the far-right as time goes by.

The Reagan coalition is broken, and short of a miracle, the new coalition that is going to emerge will NOT favor us.


7 posted on 11/06/2012 9:45:43 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: Crimson Elephant

2016, there ain’t gonna be no stinking 2016! The constitution is nothing but a sheet if paper as of toady! It has no value because we have POTUS who has just been re-elected by a majority of people that think its ok to defy laws as long as the Govenment gives them stuff!


8 posted on 11/06/2012 9:45:43 PM PST by klimeckg ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: Crimson Elephant

RINOs such as Rubio ENSURE a loss.


9 posted on 11/06/2012 9:45:43 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Crimson Elephant

If the house lays down for Obama, I will never vote for another republican the rest of my life.

I got burned by RINO Mc’Cain, and now by RINO Romney. I finally figured it out. They ARE the true republicans. The RINO’s are the conservatives in the party.

I am RINO no more. I am a true none of the above. And voting is an utter waste of time. It is way too rigged and nobody, NOBODY with the power, has the cajoles to do anything about it.

Time to put my faith where it belongs, in the blood of Christ. Countries have always come and gone.


10 posted on 11/06/2012 9:45:47 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Crimson Elephant

People don’t seem to realize that Rove, Romney, etc, WANT to go left, it is their goal, not something that they are forced to settle on.

All GOP politics is Rockefeller versus Reagan.


11 posted on 11/06/2012 9:45:52 PM PST by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: Crimson Elephant

You assume that there’s going to be another election.


12 posted on 11/06/2012 9:45:57 PM PST by Noumenon (“The other side wants everything in America to be free, except us.” -- Paul Ryan)
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To: GeronL

Yup...we have likely seen our last Republican president.


13 posted on 11/06/2012 9:46:05 PM PST by woweeitsme
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To: Crimson Elephant

Rubio is a RINO just like Romney.

My God, won’t we ever learn, even while exiting the woodshed?!


14 posted on 11/06/2012 9:46:43 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Too little, too late.


15 posted on 11/06/2012 9:46:46 PM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: TigerClaws

If you think Communists will support candidate that is a non-Communist just because he is a Latino, you have another think coming


16 posted on 11/06/2012 9:47:44 PM PST by RonnG
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To: cuban leaf

Amen! That’s it! I am tired
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.


17 posted on 11/06/2012 9:48:07 PM PST by klimeckg ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: TigerClaws

I can’t think of any GOP elected person who has a better delivery of speech than Rubio. Unfortunately GOP has a seniority system. They only nominate whose turn it is next...Bob Dole, Juan McCain, Mitt Romney. Next nominee will be Paul Ryan, a very good conservative but NOT as good a speaker and politician as Marco Rubio.

It is not enough to nominate conservative candidates if they are lousy politicians. Mourdock, Akin, Angle, O’Donell, Hoffman etc. come to mind. Once they lose election, they have zero power to change anything.


18 posted on 11/06/2012 9:48:25 PM PST by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Hyperinflation is coming. All bets are off about the union staying together when that begins.


19 posted on 11/06/2012 9:49:16 PM PST by barmag25
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To: TigerClaws

Yep, and the GOP better have a better story for blacks than “stay on your plantation.”


20 posted on 11/06/2012 9:49:21 PM PST by gotribe (He's a mack-daddy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV415yit7Zg)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Will there still be a grand ole party in 2016? The people who control it from the inside have killed it. I see many formerly GOP voters moving away from the party towards a more libertarian group and a tea party group. They hold little sway anymore at this point.


21 posted on 11/06/2012 9:50:27 PM PST by TennTuxedo
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To: Shadow44

excellent post to be so young

i see a very dark road ahead


22 posted on 11/06/2012 9:50:41 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Crimson Elephant

If the GOP has any hope to get into the W.H. there needs to be ways to make inroads into the West Coast states and the liberal Northeast. Even 28 years ago, Reagan won every state except for MN and maybe one other state. We taken over the South where as like more than 30 years ago, it was a democrat bastion. We need to find ways to win states like PA, NY and CA since they have a lion share of electoral votes. Antoher angle is a change to their state laws where a proportion of EV’s are awarded based on their vote. like PA with their 20 EV’s, if 51% goes to candidate A and 49% to B, then 11 EV’s to A and 9 to B.

I am in Colorado and we have more one to democrats due to influx of people from the East Coast and California. We have been Californicated !


23 posted on 11/06/2012 9:51:23 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: Crimson Elephant

Great - just what we need, the other party also playing race and probably gender politics to get their vote.

Sorry, no more voting for Republicans or Democrats. No more race baiting, no gender or other political pandering. Tired of it.

I will either vote for someone who plays to Americans or I will not vote. That will almost assuredly leave out both major parties because that has become their pattern.

Of course at the rate it is going, we could all become a part of greater North America the way things are going.


24 posted on 11/06/2012 9:52:16 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: woweeitsme

get ObamaPhones for the whole family


25 posted on 11/06/2012 9:52:25 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Well, they ought to back off. He is a fast talking, UN loyal, sleazy, questionable citizen.

They need to just stay out of it.


26 posted on 11/06/2012 9:53:13 PM PST by stanne
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To: Crimson Elephant

Don’t kid yourself. The southwest will now become part of Mexico - supported by American taxpayers.


27 posted on 11/06/2012 9:53:50 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Yep and the black american political block of the socialst democratic party is about to become a footnote because their political block’s power is diminishing while the Latino’s are on the up swing. Obama telegraphed that as much when he didn’t give them much time during the campaign. Yet they will be “loyal” voters for the socialists. Entertained or kept busy with bread and circus acts.

Plus you are assuming there will still be 50 states in 2016. I can see, or hope for, the day when maker states (TX, OK, SD, WY, NE, AZ et al) get tired of paying for the freeloading taker states like IL, NY, CA, NY Mass, Fla and leave the US to form a new country or republic.

But on the topic of 2016, if there is any conservative choice and a 50 state republic Rubio/West would be the one to watch.


28 posted on 11/06/2012 9:54:38 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: CORedneck

Forget them. Get your head out of your as* and forget the Republicans.


29 posted on 11/06/2012 9:56:17 PM PST by Ray76
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To: entropy12

Look out for Gov. Martinez. She’s VP at least.


30 posted on 11/06/2012 9:57:00 PM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: Crimson Elephant

It will be Rubio unless someone from a state house runs an excellent campaign. It probably should be. Rubio has his weaknesses, but he is our generation’s Reagan. I have felt it since the first video he launched in his Senate primary. He has IT, and can inspire the base and pull people to our party. We have not had that for some time. God bless Romney. He far surpassed my expectations, but he couldn’t inspire with conservative values.

As much as many here will not want to admit, we cannot run a hardline immigration message next time. We lost because the issues was demonized to pull hispanics over by a huge number. We have to win over a much larger percentage. I don’t support Rubio for identity politics. I support him for his conservative core. He also has a middle policy on this issue, and we need to find a middle policy. Strong border defense, increased workers visas to deal with people here, and effort to address children. We will see more elections like this if we go hard line. Bush barely got in twice with a lax policy, and we are getting beat with a stronger policy, even though McCain was the leader of the most lax policy on record.

Rubio will definitely be the party guy...no doubt about it. That’s how they work in DC. He’s also a conservative in the core, and I will look to embrace his candidacy for that reason.


31 posted on 11/06/2012 9:57:14 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Most Latino’s are Mexican or Central American. Rubio is a Cuban.

Look at the exit polls in Florida. Cuban Hispanics voted for Romney/Ryan. Non Cuban Hispanics went strong for Obama.

By 2016 Obama and the Democrats will have fast tracked citizenship for the anchor babies Obama gave amnesty to this year. Now that he is reelected Obama may declare amnesty for all illegals. If so the Hispanic vote will be reliably Democrat no matter who the Republicans run.

Let’s see Rubio develop a real record in the Senate and then judge whether or not he should be the candidate in 2016. Republicans are not going to win simply because they run a black or Hispanic. The must offer a real alternative and convince the people the alternative is better.


32 posted on 11/06/2012 9:59:08 PM PST by Soul of the South
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To: TigerClaws

And we as conservatives should go all in to make sure this Amnesty Queen gets nowhere near the nomination!

We don’t have a Latino problem, we have a refusal to pursue conservative, limited government issue positions and solutions within the GOP!


33 posted on 11/06/2012 9:59:22 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Stentor

By 2016, over half the country will be living free off the government. No way any republican, let alone conservative, will win by not guaranteeing they keep their free stuff or give them more.


34 posted on 11/06/2012 9:59:50 PM PST by rintense
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To: Crimson Elephant

Palin 2016.

Who her VP will be, I remain flexible about.

Start now.


35 posted on 11/06/2012 10:00:06 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Crimson Elephant

I’m glad we have dispensed with the natural born citizenship issue once and for all then. One less burdensome rule to ponder.

I’m glad the Republicans are starting their pandering early this time. That has, after all, been the reason for all their past failures.


36 posted on 11/06/2012 10:01:21 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Crimson Elephant

Are you freaking crazy?? There is no way that any conservative will be elected. The electorate just gave another four-more-years to the worst president in history who is actively seeking the destruction of America.

Give it up. It’s over. The S will hit the F. Be ready. Our only hope is that God will bring us through the coming destruction of our beloved country.


37 posted on 11/06/2012 10:01:43 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: TigerClaws

If the GOP did better with white voters, especially in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Wisconsin, then we would have won. A few points increase with the white vote would have been worth a lot more than a big gain with Hispanics.

That may not be so in the future, but it is still the case now.

I’m not sure how appealing Rubio will be to Mexican Ameircans, but I guess we’ll see.


38 posted on 11/06/2012 10:01:56 PM PST by Aetius
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To: Crimson Elephant

I don’t know if I’ll be alive then but I’m not following anybody down the amnesty path. Period.


39 posted on 11/06/2012 10:02:07 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: ilgipper

“hardline immigration line” “conservative core”

Another RINO heard from.


40 posted on 11/06/2012 10:02:58 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Crimson Elephant

I will give a far more accurate and simple forecast for the future of the Republican Party:

The GOP will jump hard Left... Further abandoning & alienating the Conservative base.

Look for a more liberal bend on abortion, and some tolerance for same-sex marriage to start. Less talk of entitlement reform and a softer stand on immigration reform. Essentially taking an official platform of Democrat - Lite.

And the country will continue to rot.


41 posted on 11/06/2012 10:03:14 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Soul of the South

We have reached the tipping point. The leachers and moochers have realized how to assume and maintain power. We will now see a period of time where they run the country into the ground.

The country will become conservative again after reality smacks them in the face, as it surely will in time. If, at that point, we still have a country. But I doubt I will be still be around to see it happen.


42 posted on 11/06/2012 10:03:28 PM PST by TheConservator ("I spent my life trying not to be careless. Women and children can be careless, but not men.")
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To: Lou Budvis

I would think she does better as VP even in 2012.


43 posted on 11/06/2012 10:04:15 PM PST by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Oh, Rubio can win.

Problem is DUH just DUH! He is a pro UN non citizen.

Could we just find an American? Someone who gets what the Constitution is?


44 posted on 11/06/2012 10:04:21 PM PST by stanne
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To: Crimson Elephant

Its too late. This nation will have to go though some treacherous and tragic times before things change,


45 posted on 11/06/2012 10:04:29 PM PST by oyez (ex-GOP)
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To: Crimson Elephant

No thanks, He is not a conservative who is establishment.. It will be the same thing all over. He would lose. We need to unite behind a real conservative; not settle for these yahoos.


46 posted on 11/06/2012 10:05:53 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Crimson Elephant

It’s a good post but you’re way too optimistic. What happens between here and 2016 changes everything.


47 posted on 11/06/2012 10:06:32 PM PST by StAnDeliver (2008 + IN, NE1, NC, FL, VA, OH, CO, IA, NH = 285EV)
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To: Ray76

“RINOs such as Rubio ENSURE a loss.”

I sure won’t vote for him!

I doubt there will be another Presidental election and that we will be under Shreia law before 4 years are up.


48 posted on 11/06/2012 10:08:40 PM PST by dalereed
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To: TheBattman
So you want to be completely unyielding and uncompromising on everything? Even Reagan compromised.
49 posted on 11/06/2012 10:08:48 PM PST by paul544
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To: Crimson Elephant

Oh puhleease..... Who cares at this point? We are a long way from that. I’m not sure the problem is even with the GOP..seems to me like it’s with the American people.


50 posted on 11/06/2012 10:10:59 PM PST by Shortstop7
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