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Thank You Libertarians

Posted on 11/06/2012 9:24:31 PM PST by TheArizona

It would seem our libertarian friends pretty much handed the election to Obama. Couple that with vote fraud and hello 4 more years of communism/nazism.

But you all can take comfort knowing you voted your conscience and your vote counted... For Obama...

The Arizona


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1 posted on 11/06/2012 9:24:31 PM PST by TheArizona
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To: TheArizona

Sarc, I hope

Romney should have blew him away regardless.

It is a Romney failure and a failure for the Republicans to realize that they can’t win against a liberal candidate with a moderate.

The republican party needs disbanded.


2 posted on 11/06/2012 9:27:33 PM PST by dila813
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To: TheArizona

naaaaa they just wanted legalized drugs, hookers and abortions.


3 posted on 11/06/2012 9:27:55 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: TheArizona

Blame others for your own failure.


4 posted on 11/06/2012 9:28:16 PM PST by Ray76
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To: TheArizona

Thank you lovers of empire, Dominionists and drug warriors, AKA Jackboot lickers. Get back to fiscal conservatism and away from the theocracy and maybe they will come back.


5 posted on 11/06/2012 9:29:06 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: TheArizona; All

The “Third Party Candidate Cost Us The Election” is just silly Liberal RINO nonsense

Someone that got .3% of the vote did not cost the GOP the election. Eschewing the base for PhonyCon ideas cost the election


6 posted on 11/06/2012 9:31:16 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: TheArizona

I agree. What is the most important objective? Defeat 0bama? Or maintain some kind of political purity? Libertarians made their choice. So no more complaining about 0bama. You got what you voted for.


7 posted on 11/06/2012 9:31:30 PM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: dila813

“It is a Romney failure and a failure for the Republicans to realize that they can’t win against a liberal candidate with a moderate.”

It is true he just couldn’t make a solid case against Obamacare when he had to defend Romneycare. But I think in the end, debates don’t really matter and people just want their goodies.


8 posted on 11/06/2012 9:31:39 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: dila813
It is a Romney failure and a failure for the Republicans to realize that they can’t win against a liberal candidate with a moderate.

Indeed; in real terms 'moderate' means "doesn't stand for anything."
Any candidate who actually stood for something good, say Ron Paul, would have had it... but, no, we have to blame voters for not voting the way we want. (After all, no opinion is valid unless it matches ours.) [/sarc]

The republican party needs disbanded.

Indeed; it does a good job talking about things... but when was the last time it actually pursued it's stated goals? A political party that doesn't pursue its goals is worthless.

9 posted on 11/06/2012 9:32:51 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: TheArizona

The establishment Republicans just can’t figure out that you don’t win national elections by running moderate to liberal milquetoasts.


10 posted on 11/06/2012 9:33:11 PM PST by Bullish (The stench from this amateur regime stinks all the way to Kenya.)
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Well we would have been better off if a real conservative were nominated, in fairness Romney did a better job than I thought he would.

As one person pointed out the much reviled O’Donnell did better in De than the 3 RINOS running statewide there this year.

Run conservatives, although it may be too late for this country.


11 posted on 11/06/2012 9:33:11 PM PST by Leto
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To: TheArizona

The Reagan coalition is in shambles, and that’s our fault. Demographics shifted too much, and the left has controlled the media and academia for too long.

We frittered away our power when we had a real chance to stem the tide. The center is shifting leftwards.


12 posted on 11/06/2012 9:33:14 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: RedStateRocker

The central issue from my perspective is that the GOP isn’t serious about fiscal conservatism. They give lip-service to it every four years, and then the rest of the time, the GOP lives their political lives like a bunch of drunks in a whorehouse.

They claim that there will be NO cuts to defense. Really? There’s nothing in the DOD budget that is waste? Really? That’s hard to imagine. There’s waste EVERYWHERE in the federal budget. I could find $10Bof waste in every cabinet-level agency in the US government in one day. It wouldn’t be difficult to start offering real spending cuts.

But the GOP doesn’t, and hasn’t since 1994.

That the GOP can’t find one thing inside the DOD to cut means that they’re morons, plain and simple, and they’re not believable as fiscal hawks.


13 posted on 11/06/2012 9:33:14 PM PST by NVDave
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To: TheArizona
I've said it before and I'll say it again: There should be no such thing as the Libertarian Party. The GOP should be the home of libertarianism in this country. The Republican Party was once the party of personal freedom and personal responsibility. Not anymore. Now they're just the bankers for socialists like Obama. They don't care how much the big government give-aways cost or how much of our liberties are lost so long as the books are balanced.

Republicans have only themselves to blame for votes lost to the LP.

14 posted on 11/06/2012 9:33:22 PM PST by Redcloak ("...and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped.")
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To: RedStateRocker

I have to agree with you there. Enough with meddling in people’s personal lives and let’s focus on the economy and economic freedom please.


15 posted on 11/06/2012 9:33:22 PM PST by rudabaga
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To: TheArizona
Before you go blaming Gary Johnson for our woes you should make sure you haven't been making a point of chastising libertarians away from the fold and also you should check to make sure all of the registered Republicans voted. For example in Ohio looks like a healthy quantity of R's stayed home. It seems tempting to blame the slim margin of loss on the slim margin of libertarians but if (a) Republicans gave them nothing to vote for and (b) enough Republicans stayed home then it follows that Republicans have only Republicans to blame.

At this point lashing out at potential allies (they must be such or you wouldn't blame them for the situation) is very much a losing proposition.

16 posted on 11/06/2012 9:33:41 PM PST by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: TheArizona

don’t forget to thank Tubby Turncoat


17 posted on 11/06/2012 9:34:06 PM PST by Homer1
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To: RedStateRocker

Ayn Rand said:
I am done with the monster of “we,” the word of serfdom, of plunder, of misery, falsehood and shame. And now I see the face of god, and I raise this god over the earth, this god whom men have sought since men came into being, this god who will grant them joy and peace and pride. This god, this one word: “I.”

Lucifer said:
Isaiah 14:14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


18 posted on 11/06/2012 9:34:13 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: TheArizona

Sorry, AZ, but the blame lies squarely with the GOPe.

Nice try, though.


19 posted on 11/06/2012 9:34:21 PM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: TheArizona
How about blaming the roughly 51% of Americans who are the parasites, the suckers, the race baiters, the stupid, the pep-rally addled "my team won" effing idiots who just voted away their birthright for a mass of pottage?

Oh no, it is way too easy to blame a small group of people who voted their conscience.

Stuff it where the sun doesn't shine.

20 posted on 11/06/2012 9:34:26 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: RedStateRocker

Nope. We need to pray harder and double down on the abortion rhetoric.


21 posted on 11/06/2012 9:35:34 PM PST by RC one
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To: TheArizona

This libertarian did nothing of the sort.


22 posted on 11/06/2012 9:35:34 PM PST by TruJess
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To: TheArizona

Yes, thank the ‘stay at homes’ and the ‘third party’ voters for helping the keep the Marxist/Muslm sob in the White House for another four years.
America is now lost.


23 posted on 11/06/2012 9:36:16 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: donna

If it isn’t in the Constitution, or my bank account, it doesn’t matter, regardless of who you quote,


24 posted on 11/06/2012 9:38:52 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: dila813

The two-party system, the constitutional repubic and the election process is gone. Thank you very much.

You have an african kingdom and your freedom is gone.

You will have war at home within a year.


25 posted on 11/06/2012 9:39:31 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Smokin' Joe

They have east of the Mississippi north of Cairo, and north of the Ohio, the Maryland panhandle, and the Delaware. Starve em out.


26 posted on 11/06/2012 9:39:44 PM PST by Ray76
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To: TheArizona

Libertarians did not cause Obama to win this election, greedy citizens (and non-citizens) voted to give themselves more of what Obama promises to tale from those who work and pay taxes!


27 posted on 11/06/2012 9:40:56 PM PST by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: TheArizona

Libertarians did not cause Obama to win this election, greedy citizens (and non-citizens) voted to give themselves more of what Obama promises to tale from those who work and pay taxes!


28 posted on 11/06/2012 9:42:45 PM PST by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: Truth is a Weapon
I agree. What is the most important objective? Defeat 0bama? Or maintain some kind of political purity? Libertarians made their choice. So no more complaining about 0bama. You got what you voted for.

Um, the whole point of a political party is to have a group who share the same goals. Without that sort of unity, how can it attract anybody whose vote they didn't already own: that is, if they stand for nothing the only people they will attract are those that will fall for anything. -- So in that sense it is impossible to defeat Obama by giving up being a political party.

Did we get what we deserved? Probably.
Most of what evils we are facing are not in the realm of the executive, but rightly belongs in the Legislative (Congress)... they could, if they were not so timid, radically change the country: (a) by limiting cases the Supreme Court has jurisdiction over, (b) by repealing bad law [ACA, NDAA, Patriot Act, the War on Drugs, EPA laws, IRS/tax laws, etc], (c) removing federal judges, (d) abolishing the Federal Reserve and going back to a Silver or Gold standard, (e) eliminating government departments, (f) eliminating government programs, (g) approving cabinet & USSC nominations.

29 posted on 11/06/2012 9:43:12 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: TheArizona

You are welcome, we saved you the embarrassment of electing a RINO, that would have caused you great consternation, and the Republican party would have been dead for good. Now the Republican Party can assess the damage and become what a should be: the party of Ronald Reagan. You want to be the “consevative” party? Then run CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES!!!!!!!


30 posted on 11/06/2012 9:46:42 PM PST by signor_ugarte
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To: Smokin' Joe
How about blaming the roughly 51% of Americans who are the parasites, the suckers, the race baiters, the stupid, the pep-rally addled "my team won" effing idiots who just voted away their birthright for a mass of pottage?

agree. Thearizona is a whining moron.

31 posted on 11/06/2012 9:46:46 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: dila813

That argument doesn’t have a great deal of merit when you look at the Indiana Senate race numbers - Richard Mourdock was not moderate. The Libertarian candidate got a rather huge chunk of the vote there for a third party candidate, and enough to have given the seat to Mourdock with the current numbers coming in.


32 posted on 11/06/2012 9:46:54 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: TheArizona

Keep running RINO’s and you’ll keep losing elections. Simple calculus really...


33 posted on 11/06/2012 9:48:14 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

True enough...and the fact a sizeable chunk of the voters are fickle enough to switch their votes over photo ops following a hurricane.


34 posted on 11/06/2012 9:50:27 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: NVDave

Dave, the DOD is the Constitutional responsibility of the Federal Government. Do we need to change the global role of our military? Yes. But we shouldn’t butcher its budget. The majority of other Federal Departments oought to belong to the several States rather than being Federal. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say anything about the environment or pensions for all.

If our government followed the Constitution, we most likely wouldn’t be bankrupt.


35 posted on 11/06/2012 9:54:22 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: ari-freedom

Nope, Repubs gave a choice of bud vs bud lite, bud one the coin flip

You have to give people a real choice, other wise, it is nothing more than a toss up.


36 posted on 11/06/2012 9:54:57 PM PST by dila813
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To: OneWingedShark

Brit Hume said that the election results proved once and for all that 80% of moderates that Romney was going after are liberals.

Conclusive proof that Repubs were fools to run a moderate candidate themselves.


37 posted on 11/06/2012 9:56:17 PM PST by dila813
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To: signor_ugarte
Really....it is not the fault of Libertarians or even Obama. The votes are a reflection of what this nation has become. Face it, Romney sucked ass as a candidate. A Mormon liberal Republican from the northeast. He was a faker. If a voter wants socialism, then why vote Romney, just vote for the real thing.
38 posted on 11/06/2012 9:57:50 PM PST by Pappy Smear (Steve King for Congress!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

No, that just shows you how weak the republican brand is.

A libertarian shouldn’t be able to get more than .2% of the vote.

Like I said, Republican Party is a failure just like the Wigs.


39 posted on 11/06/2012 9:58:40 PM PST by dila813
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To: Bullish
The establishment Republicans just can’t figure out that you don’t win national elections by running moderate to liberal milquetoasts

That is the problem right there. The GOP can not win being DEMLITE. Worse the GOP becoming DEMLITES has meant no real opposition for over two decades to the Liberal Agenda. Lott sold out, Newt Compromised his office, Frist was? Well Frist was a DEM running on GOP ticket who first nationally legitimized OBAMACARE even with the praise of many Freepers. The GOP keeps placing the most spineless Pansies into key leadership positions in the house then we see the results when Reid and Nancy get their way.

The GOP can no longer exist as it currently stands. It is two very different parties and the Liberals now Own It from the top down. The GOP has become the obstructionist to any significant change and ENABLERS to the Democratic Party.

40 posted on 11/06/2012 9:59:43 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: RedStateRocker

How about abandoning your radical leftism of partial birth abortion, abortion, open borders, homosexual marriage, heroin advertising etc?


41 posted on 11/06/2012 10:05:15 PM PST by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: TheArizona

To be honest, most Libertarians I know would vote Democrat if no Libertarian were available.

I think the GOP got nearly all of the Libertarians who could possibly be convinced to vote for the Republican candidate.

The single unifying issue of Libertarians is not smaller government (that is the issue uniting GOP-leaning Libertarians, however), it is drug legalization.

Gary Johnson did not cost us this election. Women voters did.


42 posted on 11/06/2012 10:05:24 PM PST by TitansAFC (Nice job, Rick Santorum. Mission Accomplished! Grrrrrrrrrr.......................)
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To: signor_ugarte

Well; actually, the Obama Media would have immediately started in with the “bash the evil Republican Romney” drumbeat, and beat it and beat it and beat it, until, like the eeeeeeevvilll “Bush” he and the Republican Party would have ended up hated and despised until a Republican wouldn’t be elected in years. Really, I think Mitt and Ann are better off without that garbage. - Now, the feckless “community organizer” and his clownish VP will have to work wonders and produce millions of jobs in the next year or two, else their constituency will have to have more food stamps. - Joey Biden - bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. On a lighter note, now Michelle can take off on lavish vacations in earnest until her fawning subjects start noticing and rebel.


43 posted on 11/06/2012 10:05:25 PM PST by Twinkie (REMEMBER BENGHAZI !!!!)
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To: RedStateRocker

The point is that Ayn Rand believed in a god and wanted government to reflect her theocracy.


44 posted on 11/06/2012 10:06:08 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: dila813
A libertarian shouldn’t be able to get more than .2% of the vote.

The great moment for the libertarians, their greatest electoral achievement, was against Reagan, they have never achieved those heights since.

45 posted on 11/06/2012 10:13:01 PM PST by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: TheArizona
Thank yourself and elitist RINO party bosses who hijacked the primaries,

...you could have had a Ron Paul.

46 posted on 11/06/2012 10:13:34 PM PST by captain anode (78% of us FREEPERS could practice better manners.)
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To: dila813

Yep, GOPe got their pale pastels. We needed a choice - not an echo.

GOPe also needs to learn better propoganda techniques. The market crashed in 2008, and Nancy Pelosi was immediately front and center screaming about the failed policies of the Bush Administration.

Pubbies needed to immediately bury that into the actions of the Democrat Congress, Democrap Fannie/Freddie/Clinton changes to banks & mortgage loans etc. etc. etc.

It just came to be accepted that Bush’s economic policies caused it all. Pubbies never went to the mat on that.


47 posted on 11/06/2012 10:13:36 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: SatinDoll

It’s a stunning display of feckless stupidity that the GOP thinks that there is nothing in the DOD budget to cut.

Talk to the guys coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan and ask them about waste. There’s HUGE waste in the DOD, some of it just ripe-suck stupid stuff.

If the GOP came forward with a list of waste and fraud in the DOD to cut, they’d remove the #1 bargaining and PR point that the DNC has: That the GOP refuses to cut defense spending. OK, so give the DNC what they want: Defense cuts - in their districts. Give the DNC cuts galore - that hit their constituents. Then go forward proposing more cuts to many more departments.

But no, the GOP wants to double down on stupid and say “No defense cuts at all.”

Which shows that they’re not serious fiscal conservatives.


48 posted on 11/06/2012 10:18:39 PM PST by NVDave
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To: TheArizona

I don’t know what you’re talking about. There was no libertarian Ross Perot. If it’s that libertarians staying at hike cost Romney, well, no one deserves to lose whom voters did not prefer over Mr. Nothing.


49 posted on 11/06/2012 10:22:23 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: TheArizona

Whoops, I meant win, not lose.


50 posted on 11/06/2012 10:23:13 PM PST by Tublecane
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