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Tough choices if Obama wins but loses popular vote
Firstpost.com ^ | Nov 7, 2012

Posted on 11/06/2012 7:15:57 PM PST by 11th_VA

Washington: An uncertain four years could await President Barack Obama if, under one possible outcome of Tuesday’s election, he clings to power despite losing the popular vote to Republican Mitt Romney.

Never before in US history has a sitting president won a second term without winning the popular vote. This year, it’s within the realm of possibility. A very tight race seems to favor Obama in the handful of most competitive states that will decide the winner, even if growing Republican enthusiasm means more voters overall go for Romney.

If that happens, Obama would face mounting problems—stubbornly high unemployment, Mideast unrest, the “fiscal cliff” of tax increases and spending cuts in January—with little ability to claim Americans support his way forward, political analysts say.

“If there’s any room in these results for Republicans to say the public doesn’t support what he’s doing, it would make an already toxic, incredibly difficult situation that much worse,” Princeton University historian Julian Zelizer said.

Call it Al Gore’s revenge. In the 2000 election, the vice president was denied the presidency despite winning more votes than President George W. Bush. Even after the Supreme Court settled the race, allegations of a “bloodless coup” deprived Bush of the clear mandate needed to unite a divided nation, until the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks united Americans against a terrorist threat.

A decade later, as a bitter election draws to a close, Americans are even more divided.

Four US presidents have assumed office despite losing the popular vote, including Bush and John Quincy Adams, who in 1824 lost both the popular and electoral vote but was handed the election by the House of Representatives.

All of those elections involved non-incumbents seeking their first term. For a sitting president to lose the popular vote and yet remain the world’s most powerful leader would be uncharted territory, raising difficult questions about our electoral system.

A look at the map makes it easy to see exactly how it could happen. Passions run high this year among Republicans, and turnout for Romney probably will be big — especially in Southern states that he’s likely to win. But last-minute polls show Obama clinging to a small advantage in a handful of battleground states like Ohio and Florida, which could enable him to block Romney’s path to the requisite 270 electoral votes. Those votes are won state by state and decide the election.

“This is going to be a turnout election,” Obama said Monday in a radio interview. “We’ve got the votes to win Florida. It just depends on whether people turn out or not.”

If Obama marches to 270 but loses the popular vote, he would face the unpleasant prospect of spending four years as a president with little power. “Republicans would have a pretty strong hand to play against him,” said Craig Robinson, the Iowa Republicans’ former political director.

No politician wants to be relegated to irrelevance. Unshackled from Democratic donors and with his last election behind him, a second-term Obama could maneuver sharply toward the center, seeking compromise with Republicans on major issues as did his Democratic predecessor, former President Bill Clinton. He might rethink his call for raising taxes on wealthier Americans to pay for deficit reduction, or pull back some environmental or business regulations in the interest of getting things done for the American people.

Such a move inevitably would anger the liberal base to which he owes his presidency, said Hank Sheinkopf, a Democratic strategist. But Obama may not have a choice.

“If you’re on the way out the door and you’re a ‘lame duck,’ offending people doesn’t matter anymore,” Sheinkopf said.

What matters is salvaging your legacy.

Americans remember the big, sweeping acts that define a generation. Think Mars exploration, a major climate initiative or a war on cancer, said Douglas Brinkley, a presidential historian at Rice University.

“President Obama will need to put his stamp on something large,” Brinkley said. “Our country is dying for something that unites us.”


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Add in Bengazi, hurricane Sandy, a more Tea Party house, Obummer could be a 4 year lame duck ...

I'm not giving up folks - I'll resist to the bitter end ...

1 posted on 11/06/2012 7:15:58 PM PST by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA
I'm not giving up folks - I'll resist to the bitter end ...

Yup even if it means a million of us need to go to DC carrying the Gadsen flag while demanding more of our own.
2 posted on 11/06/2012 7:18:37 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: 11th_VA

As long as he has his pad of blank exertive orders on his desk, what does he care.


3 posted on 11/06/2012 7:20:41 PM PST by doc1019
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To: 11th_VA

Baraq Hussein Ubama is already plotting his revenge on the bitter clingers.


4 posted on 11/06/2012 7:20:48 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Obama killed Gadaffi. How's that working out these days?)
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To: 11th_VA
Forget it. Ain't gonna happen. The Usurper will have both votes and strengthen his stranglehold on the American ideal.
5 posted on 11/06/2012 7:21:08 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 11th_VA

What America is dying for, Brinkley you Obama pimp, is a William Wallace to unite freedom loving patriots.


6 posted on 11/06/2012 7:21:44 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: 11th_VA

Benghazi=Impeachment...and Bonehead becomes President,,now there is a thought.


7 posted on 11/06/2012 7:22:03 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: 11th_VA

“Obummer could be a 4 year lame duck ...”

God help us....

4 years of watching him golf, bow, and party....

ya know he won’t do anything - he is a lazy person, and he don’t care. His administration on the other hand will regulate us to death.

the worse thing - 4 more years of “buy gold !” commercials.

wonderful.


8 posted on 11/06/2012 7:22:24 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: 11th_VA

If this happened (Romney loses electoral vote but wins popular vote), there is absolutely ZERO chance that Obama moves to the middle. I think President Obama has demonstrated pretty clearly where he stands. Compromise isn’t in his skill set.


9 posted on 11/06/2012 7:22:47 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: 11th_VA

I think its very likely mow that Obama gets re-elected but lacks a popular majority.

A plurality of the American rejected him but he still remains President.

He has no second term agenda. And things will remain deadlocked between a Republican House and a Democratic Senate.


10 posted on 11/06/2012 7:22:49 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I agree. The House means NOTHING. Obama circumvents congress any time he needs to.


11 posted on 11/06/2012 7:24:23 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: goldstategop

Romney winning 51% to 48% in popular vote as I type ...


12 posted on 11/06/2012 7:24:54 PM PST by 11th_VA (Keep your laws OFF my Big Gulp !)
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To: doc1019; Revolting cat!

Oddly enough, those most saddened if Ubama is re-elected are the ones waiting for pardons on his way out the door. They will have to wait 4 more long years.


13 posted on 11/06/2012 7:25:06 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Obama killed Gadaffi. How's that working out these days?)
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To: 11th_VA

fiscal cliff - here we come


14 posted on 11/06/2012 7:25:30 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: CitizenUSA

No compromise...let him take it down ala Ahab.

Frankly things are so far gone that someone like this character can win a second term it is time for a new approach here....looking at the map, they had it right in 1861.


15 posted on 11/06/2012 7:25:33 PM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: goldstategop

The numbers are weird.

Obama wins Michigan by 2 but the union ballot proposals go down by huge margins. (In the 75/25 range)


16 posted on 11/06/2012 7:27:11 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: 11th_VA

Obama won’t care if he doesn’t win the popular vote. If Romney had won the Electoral College votes and not the popular vote, I couldn’t care less and I’m not sure he would either. A win is a win and Obama is the least gracious winner there ever was.


17 posted on 11/06/2012 7:27:56 PM PST by mancini
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To: goldstategop
He has no second term agenda.

He has an agenda. He just can't share it with you.

Besides, he inherited such a mess from Obama I.

18 posted on 11/06/2012 7:27:59 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Obama killed Gadaffi. How's that working out these days?)
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To: 11th_VA
If Obama marches to 270 but loses the popular vote, he would face the unpleasant prospect of spending four years as a president with little power.

That is knee slapping funny. Chairman Obama famously said and proved that he did not need Congress to rule. It appears a majority of a once free people voted to enslave us all.

19 posted on 11/06/2012 7:28:30 PM PST by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: 11th_VA

once commiefornia is counted o will win by 3 million.


20 posted on 11/06/2012 7:29:57 PM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: a fool in paradise

I understand your black humor (no pun intended), however, the President can exercise his pardon privileges anytime he wants. If he loses, if he wins ... anytime.


21 posted on 11/06/2012 7:32:44 PM PST by doc1019
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To: 11th_VA

This is so frustrating tonight. Allow me to throw a FUBO toward Washington DC.


22 posted on 11/06/2012 7:32:44 PM PST by gcraig (Freedom is not free)
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To: 11th_VA
Folks, we just had redistricting. The House can 'go to the mat' against Obummer without fear of losing the House in 2014 - It's time for Obummer to compromise or go over the cliff ...

I don't need Obummer to survive, his supporters need budgets to survive ...

23 posted on 11/06/2012 7:33:30 PM PST by 11th_VA (Keep your laws OFF my Big Gulp !)
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To: 11th_VA

Being a community organizer means never having to say you were defeated.


24 posted on 11/06/2012 7:34:15 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: 11th_VA

My 11’th grade history teacher told us the first time that ever happened it would start a second civil war. We got away with it in 2000 because the whole world knew that the situation had been created by the media and had not occurred naturally.


25 posted on 11/06/2012 7:34:26 PM PST by varmintman (November Sixth || Obunga is Through || Bork Obunga || Before He Borks You || Burma Shave)
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To: a fool in paradise
...plotting his revenge on the bitter clingers.

Hey now.

26 posted on 11/06/2012 7:38:22 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (I will not comply.)
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To: a fool in paradise
...plotting his revenge on the bitter clingers.

Hey now.

27 posted on 11/06/2012 7:38:34 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (I will not comply.)
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To: cripplecreek

“Yup even if it means a million of us need to go to DC carrying the Gadsen flag while demanding more of our own.”

I was there in Sept. ‘09. The media virtually ignored it. We need to make sure they don’t let that happen again when we return....


28 posted on 11/06/2012 7:40:34 PM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: 11th_VA

If King Obama wins you can blame the GOP. These asses destroyed America.


29 posted on 11/06/2012 7:43:30 PM PST by Logical me
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To: a fool in paradise
...plotting his revenge on the bitter clingers.

I mean, should I be worried at all?

30 posted on 11/06/2012 7:45:45 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (I will not comply.)
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To: 11th_VA

CA and WA will push the Obama popular totals above Romney.


31 posted on 11/06/2012 7:46:59 PM PST by Theodore R. (Annoy the Establishment! Vote for Akin!)
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To: 11th_VA

Hard reset

Soft reset

Galt.

Can anyone think of another viable outcome?


32 posted on 11/06/2012 7:48:12 PM PST by null and void (Day 1386 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: doc1019

exactly


33 posted on 11/06/2012 7:48:44 PM PST by patriciamary (9)
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To: Logical me
...you can blame the GOP.

Unfortunately that is very true,

34 posted on 11/06/2012 7:55:18 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (I will not comply.)
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To: txrefugee

Wonder if we will start seeing more of those shirts and bumper stickers that say “If at first you don’t secede, try, try again.”


35 posted on 11/06/2012 7:59:33 PM PST by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: cripplecreek

We’ve had some pretty large rallies in DC already, between the Tea Party and Beck.

The press and our public servants ignore them.

So whats the play when you’re dealt an electoral defeat with a 51% majority?


36 posted on 11/06/2012 8:03:49 PM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Obama cannot strangle that which he has yet to even grasp. The american idea is an idea of freedom, individualism, and self-reliance. Obama imfanticly rejects all of theses ideas in-favor of his socialist collectivism, dependency and ultimately state slavery.

The idea that formed and defined America is undeniably dead to Obama, and struggles to breath under the weight of his jackboot. This is why I say with compete honesty in a very real way we don’t have a country under Obama. Washington is not a illegitimately american Government anymore. It has abandoned that tittle under Obama in favor of foreign ideas at war with the very concept that defined America from the beginning.

The flag & republic we pledged alegence to does not exist anymore!


37 posted on 11/06/2012 8:05:32 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: hinckley buzzard

Obama cannot strangle that which he has yet to even grasp. The american idea is an idea of freedom, individualism, and self-reliance. Obama imfanticly rejects all of theses ideas in-favor of his socialist collectivism, dependency and ultimately state slavery.

The idea that formed and defined America is undeniably dead to Obama, and struggles to breath under the weight of his jackboot. This is why I say with compete honesty in a very real way we don’t have a country under Obama. Washington is not a illegitimately american Government anymore. It has abandoned that tittle under Obama in favor of foreign ideas at war with the very concept that defined America from the beginning.

The flag & republic we pledged alegence to does not exist anymore!


38 posted on 11/06/2012 8:05:55 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: 11th_VA
I think the media meme is going to be for the House GOP to be more like the NJ Gov and embrace Obama and work together and all that jazz.

Obama will talk a humble game in his speeches, but he will still pursue to things, more taxes, further gutting the military. We can only hope that in his second term, the bottom falls out on him like W's second term did as we..

39 posted on 11/06/2012 8:08:14 PM PST by goodolemr
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To: Jacquerie

“That is knee slapping funny. Chairman Obama famously said and proved that he did not need Congress to rule. It appears a majority of a once free people voted to enslave us all.”

You mean declared war upon our rights. We are not enslaved until we surrender & give up on our freedom.

There is an old saying Patriots like you should remember:
Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.

Don’t give up the fight! No matter what


40 posted on 11/06/2012 8:09:07 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: 11th_VA

At the very least I can tell all my Liberal Morons that call themselves my friends that hey tell me again about how you wanted to pick the president using the popular vote....


41 posted on 11/06/2012 8:14:22 PM PST by GraceG
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To: celtic gal

Benghazi=Impeachment...and Bonehead becomes President,,now there is a thought.

weird thing is that Biden becomes another Gerald Ford....

Hoo boy...


42 posted on 11/06/2012 8:16:20 PM PST by GraceG
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To: 11th_VA

Romney winning 51% to 48% in popular vote as I type ...

EXPECT the MSM to Re-discover “How great the Electoral College” is.....

Especially after them thinking how horrible it was after 2000....


43 posted on 11/06/2012 8:17:43 PM PST by GraceG
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To: 11th_VA

Obama will preside over another recession, a severe one, with double digit unemployment, $5 + gas, increasing inflation and earth shaking incidents abroad and probably a major terror attack at home. I’m not wishing for any of these just to make Obama’s second term miserable for him, I just see these as the inevitable results of his policies continuing.


44 posted on 11/06/2012 8:58:06 PM PST by milemark (Wait 'till they get a load of my binders...)
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To: doc1019
Exactly.

If Obama marches to 270 but loses the popular vote, he would face the unpleasant prospect of spending four years as a president with little power.

Obviously, he does not care about this.

45 posted on 11/06/2012 9:22:42 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi. That says it all.)
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To: cyn

He has discovered the Executive Order, therefore there are no bounds. Ye Ole Executive Order seems to circumvent all constitutional benefits of a three part government.


46 posted on 11/06/2012 9:30:28 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Clinging Bitterly

In Texas, we are on his (s)h!t list.


47 posted on 11/06/2012 9:58:08 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Obama killed Gadaffi. How's that working out these days?)
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To: 11th_VA
Obama could have won this by one electoral vote and not won the total vote, and he wouldn't care one iota. He (or should I say Valerie Jarrett) will move full steam ahead with their plans knowing full well their lapdog media will cover for them.
48 posted on 11/06/2012 10:41:18 PM PST by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: Major Matt Mason

Well... I keep on hearing about how invincible he is with the media... well, why not consider the media as his agents and treat them accordingly? Why not picket them as the government is picketed? March on their studios and offices? They are political players now, they should pay the price of taking sides.


49 posted on 11/07/2012 1:01:24 AM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: coydog

>>>why not consider the media as his agents and treat them accordingly? Why not picket them as the government is picketed?

I completely agree.

By the way, the most recent Drudge headline has Obama winning the popular vote as well.


50 posted on 11/07/2012 1:11:19 AM PST by GoodDay
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