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NYDailyNews ^ | 11/6/2012 | PHILIP CAULFIELD

Posted on 11/06/2012 9:53:33 AM PST by South40

Judge orders Cleveland woman to wear an ‘idiot’ sign after she was caught driving on a sidewalk to avoid a school bus

(Title too long for FR so I was forced to shorten it)

A Cleveland woman must wear a sign labeling her as an “idiot” after she was caught driving on a sidewalk to avoid stopping for a school bus as it dropped children off, a judge ordered.

Shena Hardin, 32, pulled the off-road move twice to avoid stopping for the students, local WEWS-TV reported. The bus driver, Uriah Herron, shot video of Hardin pulling the maneuver in her silver Jeep in east Cleveland on the first day of school in September.

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1 posted on 11/06/2012 9:53:37 AM PST by South40
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To: South40

She so stupid, she saw a sign that said “Detroit Left” so she turned around and went home.


2 posted on 11/06/2012 9:57:09 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: South40

What is the sense of having a Jeep if you can’t go off road?


3 posted on 11/06/2012 9:58:25 AM PST by Venturer
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To: South40

“But I was wearin’ my seatbelt!” she countered.
/ end attempt at satire.


4 posted on 11/06/2012 9:58:33 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: South40

If every idiot in the world had to wear a similar sign, it sure would make it easier to see them coming and avoid them.

Until then, “Obama/Biden 2012” bumper stickers serve the purpose rather nicely.


5 posted on 11/06/2012 9:59:05 AM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Venturer

Everybody knows you can’t pass a school bus on the left when the lights are flashing.


6 posted on 11/06/2012 9:59:55 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: South40

Maybe she was texting on her Obama-phone.


7 posted on 11/06/2012 10:00:11 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: South40

Maybe she was texting on her Obama-phone.


8 posted on 11/06/2012 10:00:23 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: South40
driving on a sidewalk to avoid stopping for a school bus
Just another one of Holder's people gaming the system.
9 posted on 11/06/2012 10:01:03 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: South40

We live in a nation where it’s now a majority of adults who don’t have kids. (sorry, can’t quote the source, so it may or may not be a good statistic.) As this continues, expect more callous behavior.


10 posted on 11/06/2012 10:07:44 AM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: oh8eleven

this sticker right next to her Bronco Bama one

11 posted on 11/06/2012 10:08:13 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: South40

Must have seen it in a movie.


12 posted on 11/06/2012 10:08:26 AM PST by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: South40
Her license should be permanently revoked.
13 posted on 11/06/2012 10:08:26 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: South40
A Cleveland woman must wear a sign labeling her as an “idiot”

The judge could have made her wear a sign saying: "Obama Voter."

But I repeat myself...

14 posted on 11/06/2012 10:08:52 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: South40

I never understand why judges are able to get away with this under the 8th amendment. Don’t get me wrong, it can be very useful to let the punishment fit the crime. But there it is in black and white, and unusual punishment is unconstitutional. I highly doubt wearing an idiot sign is usual.


15 posted on 11/06/2012 10:08:58 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: South40
Judge Engvall has the final say in traffic case....

"Here's your sign...."

16 posted on 11/06/2012 10:09:26 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: oh8eleven

Actually, her behavior perfectly illustrates the typical liberal/leftist/progressive mindset; she wants what she wants when she wants it and she’s going to do whatever it takes to get it.

They operate on the level of a three-year-old. If they can’t immediately have what they want, they will throw a tantrum or just try to grab it anyway.


17 posted on 11/06/2012 10:11:21 AM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: South40

My co-workers and I plan to drive by, point and laugh....


18 posted on 11/06/2012 10:12:48 AM PST by mom4melody
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To: Tublecane
I never understand why judges are able to get away with this under the 8th amendment.

In my college days I used to type up old federal court cases for electronic scanning. One case I came across involved a man who, as part of a "creative" sentence was instructed by the judge to wear a sign that read "I am a thief" (or some such; I can't remember the exact offense). He successfully challenged the the sentence on the grounds that no government entity can force a person to admit guilt to a crime, even if he's been found guilty in a court of law. To allow such a thing would mean that an individual could be coerced into a confession, or denied the ability to appeal. I'm not surprised that there aren't more such challenges, though. Most people, given a choice between wearing such a sign or serving a jail sentence would swallow their scruples and choose the former.

19 posted on 11/06/2012 10:15:41 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Tublecane

She only got 30 days revocation of her driver’s license. The judge might have told her she was going to get 6 months revocation unless she agreed to wear that “i am an idiot” sign. I would definitely take such an offer even though you say it is not legal form of punishment.


20 posted on 11/06/2012 10:15:50 AM PST by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: Tublecane

it also violates the First amendment’s freedom of speech clause (freedom of speech includes the right not to be forced to speak)

but nevertheless it is a very fitting punishment


21 posted on 11/06/2012 10:16:35 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Tublecane
I highly doubt wearing an idiot sign is usual.

It has to be cruel AND unusual. Embarrassing, yes, but not cruel.

22 posted on 11/06/2012 10:21:34 AM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: dennisw
She only got 30 days revocation of her driver’s license.
Doesn't matter whether it's 30 days or 300 days. Do you really think she's not going to drive anyway?
23 posted on 11/06/2012 10:22:37 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: South40

Judge should have made her wear a sign saying “Kick me, I’m an idiot!”. That would be punishment the rest of us could participate in.


24 posted on 11/06/2012 10:22:42 AM PST by roadcat
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To: South40
The judge should have had IDIOT tattooed on her forehead so she could complain when she saw it was written backward.
25 posted on 11/06/2012 10:23:46 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: South40

Good for the judge.


26 posted on 11/06/2012 10:24:50 AM PST by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the point of no return?)
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To: dennisw

“She only got 30 days revocation of her driver’s license. The judge might have told her she was going to get 6 months revocation unless she agreed”

I assumed something of the sort. But then that’s coercion. They can’t, or shouldn’t, induce you to give up constitutional protection by threatening something worse. Of course she’ll never sue, because she got off easy.


27 posted on 11/06/2012 10:26:03 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: South40

Can he do that? How come no judge has ordered Obama to wear one of those?


28 posted on 11/06/2012 10:27:09 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: South40

Hey! That wasn’t the woman’s fault. The SUV did it!


29 posted on 11/06/2012 10:27:21 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: South40
Judge orders Cleveland woman to wear an ‘idiot’ sign after she was caught driving on a sidewalk to avoid a school bus

Just make her wear an Obama shirt.....same thing.

30 posted on 11/06/2012 10:27:40 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: All
Video Here
31 posted on 11/06/2012 10:28:40 AM PST by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
He successfully challenged the the sentence on the grounds that no government entity can force a person to admit guilt to a crime

Being an idiot isn't a crime yet, though. ;-)

Interesting old job -- how long did you last typing those up?

32 posted on 11/06/2012 10:28:56 AM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Tublecane
Actually, it is "cruel AND unusual punishment." We just need to make some punishments "usual."
33 posted on 11/06/2012 10:28:56 AM PST by Repeat Offender (Why do cops have more lenient ROEs when facing us than troops in combat facing suicidal islamists?)
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To: married21

Their having kids themselves is no guarantee of responsible behavior (in many cases these days, it’s proof of quite the opposite!) Some woman in Georgia hit a little girl, then backed up over her again in order to maneuver her car. She killed her of course. The woman who did this had kids of her own. IIRC, she got pretty much a slap on the wrist for doing it.

But I know what you meant. Back when kids implied a married (to each other) father and mother, it probably meant more.


34 posted on 11/06/2012 10:35:31 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: South40

Not sayin’ it’s right or wrong, but do the same thing to your rebellious kid and you’d probably be rung up by Children’s Services.


35 posted on 11/06/2012 10:35:42 AM PST by Nevermore (...just a typical cracker, clinging to my Constitutional rights...)
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To: VanShuyten

“It has to be cruel AND unusual”

I always wondered about that. Obviously an “or” would help my reading. But let me ask you, if the punishment had to be both to be unconstitutional couldn’t we legalize torture by making it usual? Does anybody read the amendment that way? I don’t see any reason why cruel alone should be outlawed but not unusual alone.

I’m not making this distinction up, by the way. It’s right there in case law. Punishment that is by its severity degrading to human dignity is forbidden, without reference to regularity. Unnecessary punishment is forbidden, without reference to regularity. We can have it your way, but then things are gonna get messy.


36 posted on 11/06/2012 10:37:02 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
I never understand why judges are able to get away with this under the 8th amendment. Don’t get me wrong, it can be very useful to let the punishment fit the crime. But there it is in black and white, and unusual punishment is unconstitutional. I highly doubt wearing an idiot sign is usual.

Amendment 8 - Cruel and Unusual Punishment:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


While I agree the punishment levied is "unusual" I think we can pass on the "cruel and" part if the punishment has to be both.
37 posted on 11/06/2012 10:39:38 AM PST by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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To: South40

They should revoke her license, give her 1,000 community service cleaning sewage, make her watch as her jeep is crushed into a cube, a new coffee table, and THEN make her wear the sign


38 posted on 11/06/2012 10:43:22 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Peet

“if the punishment has to be both”

But it doesn’t, or not according to SCOTUS. They will rule punishments unconstitutional for cruelty alone, trust me. So why do we get the merely cruel but not the merely unusual?


39 posted on 11/06/2012 10:43:29 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: South40
Most little kids walk around the front of thr bus to get to the sidewalk. This woman is tooling right along, not even thinking a kid might just appear out of the blue.

With the brain reactions she has - the kid would surely be a dead one.

40 posted on 11/06/2012 10:44:07 AM PST by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: South40

Pull her ability to drive.


41 posted on 11/06/2012 10:47:13 AM PST by bmwcyle (45% to 47% of American voters are stupid)
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To: South40

In a previous life I was head of an IT Help Desk.

There was an “Explanation of problem?” field on the “Help Desk Request” form.

I noticed that sometime (really, “often” is more accurate) the technician would put “PEBKAC” in the field. When technicians were conversing with each other on the phone they would explain the problem by calling it an “I.D.- TEN - Tee error.”

I wondered about all that for a long time until I asked what these error codes meant.

Written out, the “ID10T” error code became obvious.


42 posted on 11/06/2012 10:55:38 AM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: South40

I hesitate to join the “shame on her” chorus.

I’m a law and order guy, but this bugs me a little bit.

I don’t even pretend to be a Constitutional scholar, but the 8th amendment prohibits cruel & unusual punishment.

The term “idiot” strikes ma as a degrading term about a person’s mental capacity.

Don’t get me wrong, I throw the term around a lot and personally LOVE the term. Particularly regarding libtards.

But I’m an individual. It bugs me that a Government official gets to brand an individual citizen with such a degrading term, in an official way.

How long until some liberal judge forces conservatives to stand on street corners with “idiot” signs, as political retribution?

What’s wrong with a fine or other conventional citation? Why the theatrics???

Judges these days strike me as power-mad egomaniacs who love to demonstrate the smallness of the individual (for example, overturning popular votes for their own biases), and the unfettered power of the state over individual Americans.

I don’t like it.


43 posted on 11/06/2012 10:59:07 AM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("You're doing a whale of a job there, Christie.")
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Even leaving the cruel and unusual argument aside, is this really necessary? Judges want to be celebrities nowadays.


44 posted on 11/06/2012 11:02:12 AM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("You're doing a whale of a job there, Christie.")
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To: noiseman

LOL!


45 posted on 11/06/2012 11:03:58 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: cripplecreek

Everybody also knows you don’t drive on the sidewalk, also.


46 posted on 11/06/2012 11:04:38 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: South40

Somehow I knew what race she was without having to see the picture.


47 posted on 11/06/2012 11:16:23 AM PST by History Repeats (sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: Tublecane

In the few instances Ive read it seems the judge usually give an option. “A month in jail or a week in jail and 3 weeks wearing a sign around town that states youre a moron. Which is it?”


48 posted on 11/06/2012 11:19:15 AM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: FoxInSocks
Interesting old job -- how long did you last typing those up?

Not quite two years. OCR was a big thing back then (1976), and the government wanted those documents in a computerized format; lots of small companies were doing conversions. We typed from pages ripped out of the original books, on IBM Selectrics with a special OCR element, at a penny per line. I got very good as a typist doing it.

49 posted on 11/06/2012 11:22:38 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: South40

Look at her. Is a sign really necessary?


50 posted on 11/06/2012 11:23:41 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (We won't stand for biased umps fixing a ball game but we allow a biased media to fix elections.)
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