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Broad Channel Crossing Must Be Rebuilt, Leaving Rockaways Without A-Train for Months or Longer
NY Observer ^ | 11/03/12 | Matt Chaban

Posted on 11/04/2012 3:03:30 PM PST by neverdem

The damage done. (MTA/Flickr)

The Broad Channel A-train crossing is at right. (Bing Maps)

The Rockaways have been one of the hardest hit areas of the city following Superstorm Sandy, with lives lost, houses destroyed, crime on the streets. It has also been a remarkably resilient place, with diehard New Yorkers beginning the daunting work of rebuilding. It will be a long time before the Rockaways returns to normal, though, and it turns out that goes for subway service to the area, too.

At a press briefing Thursday night, MTA chief Joe Lhota said it would be some time before A-train service could be restored to the Rockaways due to extensive damage to the Broad Channel crossing that carries the train between Howard Beach in Brooklyn to the Rockaways.

“The amount of destruction on the A-train over Broad Channel is indescribable,” Mr. Lhota told reporters. “I’ve seen it, I’ve seen pictures of it, the amount of damage, this was almost a direct hit. It’s over water, it’s through marshland, it’s going to take quite a long time to rebuild this, and I’m talking about rebuilding this. I’m talking about the water that went underneath and really affected the structural integrity. This part of the world, what happened in the Rockaways was really devastating. Not only that, but this A-train, that extends from Howard Beach over here, it’s just nightmarish.”

The Broad Channel crossing runs over three bridges and miles of track just feet from the waters of Jamaica Bay. It can make for a beautiful seen of families on the beach and fishermen, of herons and egrets taking flight, as well as planes from JFK. But during a severe storm such as Sandy, this can prove a liability. Our greatest strength is our greatest weakness, as the Governor Cuomo has said time and again.

The Observer asked if the damage might be as severe as to the Port Jervis line, which was damaged during Hurricane Irene, when debris twisted the tracks out of alignment. It was a job that took three months to complete, but one that was also finished ahead of schedule. Mr. Lhota’s answer underscores just how difficult, and lengthy, rebuilding may prove to be.

“I think it’s worse than the twisted tracks,” Mr. Lhota said. “That was at least on the ground. The foundation of what’s holding it up is severely shot, we have to rebuild it.”

There are regulatory issues as well. Because the line travels through Gateway National Recreation Area, as well as a bird preserve, the federal government has some oversight over any repairs, which means the MTA could have to submit to not only state but also federal environmental reviews when it comes time to approve the rebuilding plan.

“There’s some other issues here, but this is going to take quite a long time, this is going to be a lot of intervention from various different entities that have different oversight over environmental issues—EPA, National Parks, National Wildlife, it’s significant,” Mr. Lhota said.

The situation remains dire and vague as of today, according to a release this morning from the MTA about the restoration of service: “The Rockaway branch of the A train requires extensive reconstruction and no timetable has been established for resumption of service there.”



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: rockaway
Howard Beach is in Queens, unless they changed the border. "Matt is The Observer's real estate editor."

The Rockaways, aka Rockaway & Rockapulco, is the long skinny peninsula south of Brooklyn and Queens. It's about 10 miles long. I lived there for 6 years until 2000. Family and friends have been going there for generations in Rockaways's bungalows. Here's http://www.mapquest.com/.

1 posted on 11/04/2012 3:03:31 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Someone oughta call Hank Rearden and Dagny Taggert.

Oh, wait......


2 posted on 11/04/2012 3:10:09 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("Liberalism is about as progressive as CANCER" -Alfonzo Rachel)
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To: neverdem

“...the MTA could have to submit to not only state but also federal environmental reviews when it comes time to approve the rebuilding plan.”

Environmental reviews? 5, maybe 10 years?

Folks in the Rockaways better hope Obama looses.


3 posted on 11/04/2012 3:24:50 PM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; hellinahandcart; Chode; ...
Bloomberg: The National Guard in Coney is a bad idea (because they are armed)

MUST SEE VIDEO: Bloomberg cursed by Rockaway residents (local news report)

Queens residents arm themselves in the post-storm blackout from looters

FReepmail me if you want on or off my New York ping list.

Without wheels in Rockaway, they're screwed. In normal times it can be almost an hour driving into Manhattan.

4 posted on 11/04/2012 3:25:59 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: RandallFlagg

Let’s see, they will have to meet yet to be written regulations from EPA, National Parks and others. I think the final train for these folks has already left the station. I’m sure if anyone were to remind BO what he said about cutting red tape he would respond that he was only talking about regulations in place before Sandy hit, not new ones that are being developed while these people wait.

Looks like a good opportunity for some enterprising fairy operators, unless that is controlled also.


5 posted on 11/04/2012 3:26:32 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: BwanaNdege

I think he’s being a bit dramatic. All applicable environmental documentation requirements were waived by the Federal government when the I-35W bridge was replaced after it collapsed in August 2007. NYC should have no problem getting the same waivers as long as they are basically replacing the bridge “in kind.”


6 posted on 11/04/2012 3:32:53 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Grams A
some enterprising fairy operators

Did you mean ferry operators?

7 posted on 11/04/2012 3:36:55 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: neverdem

” It can make for a beautiful seen “

Wow! Wirds fayul mee!


8 posted on 11/04/2012 3:51:42 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: neverdem
"... this is going to be a lot of intervention from various different entities that have different oversight over environmental issues—EPA, National Parks, National Wildlife, it’s significant," Mr. Lhota said.

Nonsense! That's 3 phone calls, 15 minutes max each, so that's 45 minutes, tops. Obama said so.

9 posted on 11/04/2012 3:52:32 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Change your clocks today and your President on Tuesday")
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To: neverdem
Looks like the Observer doesn't know the difference between a spell checker and a copy editor.

It can make for a beautiful seen of families on the beach and fishermen

10 posted on 11/04/2012 3:53:35 PM PST by PAR35
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To: NonValueAdded
Obama said so.

Who's Obama?

11 posted on 11/04/2012 3:58:35 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: neverdem

You know, if the folks don’t want non-union crews to get their power on, let them sit in the dark. And if they want ‘free money’ instead of loans like the poor folks in Mississippi and Alabama got, then my sympathy gets close to zero.

Folks are getting the quality of government and services that they voted for.


12 posted on 11/04/2012 4:02:42 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35
You know, if the folks don’t want non-union crews to get their power on, let them sit in the dark.

Alabama utility crew needed union affiliation to work in N.J., official says

Rockapulco is in NYC.

13 posted on 11/04/2012 4:51:06 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Grams A

LOL!


14 posted on 11/04/2012 5:06:40 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: RandallFlagg

The only Taggart I know about is Taggart Romney


15 posted on 11/04/2012 5:10:35 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem

How long did it take the US Army to throw up a track across the Rhine River after all the bridges were blown?


16 posted on 11/04/2012 5:15:00 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: neverdem

Wow. They’re going to have to start with driving piles. Gonna take for-effing-ever! Bridge built from scratch.


17 posted on 11/04/2012 5:25:18 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: neverdem

-——EPA, National Parks, National Wildlife-———

Audobon Society, National Wildlife Fund, Sierra Club.......

The area is no better than the Anhwar tundra in Alaska and must revert, be preserved. The railroad should never be rebuilt


18 posted on 11/04/2012 5:25:29 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Alberta's Child
August 2007

Hmmmm. 2007. This is 2012. Has anything or anybody changed at the top of the bureaucracies? Anything at all? Anybody?

19 posted on 11/04/2012 5:28:48 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: neverdem

I spent 50 years on The Rock ... 3rd generation ... still have family there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IibIB-P-a6c


20 posted on 11/04/2012 6:06:50 PM PST by Alice in Wonderland
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To: presently no screen name; eyedigress

Did you mean ferry operators?”

Whoops. That is what happens when things go from your fingers to the keyboard without first going through your brain. Although I suppose in some states on the east coast fairy operators would be more appropriate.

Election overload!


21 posted on 11/04/2012 6:32:42 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Thanks for the link. I hope your family is OK. The property losses appear horrific.


22 posted on 11/04/2012 7:05:19 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


23 posted on 11/04/2012 8:18:44 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alberta's Child

So how did that replacing “in kind” work out for getting the water supply lines rebuilt for Tucson?

Oh, I guess it depends on whose bread is getting buttered.

Nothing against you. It’s just - if these guys get waivers, it is because of where they are and who they know.

I guess that isn’t really a news flash...

:-)


24 posted on 11/04/2012 8:34:46 PM PST by muffaletaman (IMNSHO - I MIGHT be wrong, but I doubt it.)
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To: Grams A

LOL!! Overload, exactly! The countdown has started - 48 hours to go. . .


25 posted on 11/04/2012 9:30:35 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: neverdem

True..In the 50’s, as a youngster, we spent several summers out there..my folks rented a bungalow on Beach 29th ST..I remember there was one bad storm..it may have been a hurricane..the entire peninsula was flooded..the Atlantic and Jamaica Bay were one body of water..it was easily 3 feet deep, and we spent two nights sleeping on the roof of the bungalow..until the water went down..


26 posted on 11/05/2012 8:23:23 AM PST by ken5050 (Another reason to vote for Mitt: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will perform at the WH Christmas party)
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To: neverdem

True..In the 50’s, as a youngster, we spent several summers out there..my folks rented a bungalow on Beach 29th ST..I remember there was one bad storm..it may have been a hurricane..the entire peninsula was flooded..the Atlantic and Jamaica Bay were one body of water..it was easily 3 feet deep, and we spent two nights sleeping on the roof of the bungalow..until the water went down..


27 posted on 11/05/2012 8:24:24 AM PST by ken5050 (Another reason to vote for Mitt: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will perform at the WH Christmas party)
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