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New York faces 'massive housing problem' after Sandy, governor says
CNN ^ | November 4,2012 | Catherine E. Shoichet

Posted on 11/04/2012 2:45:44 PM PST by Hojczyk

(CNN) -- Kevin Cordova's family tried cooking hot food to stay warm. They wore their winter coats inside and buried themselves under blankets.

But on Sunday, six days after powerful winds from Superstorm Sandy knocked out their power, temperatures dipped so low they couldn't spend another night in their home in Floral Park, New York.

"There's really no amount of blankets that can stop you from being cold in 30-degree weather," said Cordova, 28. "We feel a little homeless right now. We have our house, but we can't really use it."

Officials say thousands of New Yorkers left without heat after Superstorm Sandy hit may need to leave their homes as temperatures plummet, but it's not clear where they'll go.

Residents in the Rockaways, in Queens, vented their frustrations at Bloomberg as he toured the area Saturday. One woman yelled, "When are we going to get some help!" while a man talked about "old ladies in my building who have got nothing."

Supplementing and, in some cases, dissatisfied with the government response, neighbors and volunteers from afar to hard-hit areas over the weekend to offer food, clothing and whatever else to those who are still cold and hungry.

"We covered two children with a blanket freezing and shivering here trying to get food last night," Rockaway resident Lauren O'Connor told CNN affiliate NY1. "We said we had to do something." Dropping temperatures are only one concern the region faces, with the presidential election only days away.

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1 posted on 11/04/2012 2:45:44 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk; Kartographer

“How we gonna vote for Barry now???”


2 posted on 11/04/2012 2:49:30 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

And Sandy was not even a hurricane.

Imagine if it had been a cat 5 hurricane?


3 posted on 11/04/2012 2:53:53 PM PST by NoLibZone (I know what it is to be Black,to be hated for who I am, more so than Whoppi does. I'm a Republican.)
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To: Hojczyk

The Pied-Pipers of Socialism being denied?

I hope so given the worsening job conditions if Obamao is reelected.

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/11/02/unemployment-rate-rises-to-7-9/


4 posted on 11/04/2012 3:01:23 PM PST by whitedog57
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To: Hojczyk
Stupid reality!

5 posted on 11/04/2012 3:01:39 PM PST by I see my hands (They should have prepared.)
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To: Hojczyk

Landlords will make a killing voiding all the “rent control” deals of displaced residents. Expect property values around NYC to go through the (ahem) roof.


6 posted on 11/04/2012 3:03:14 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: Hojczyk

Pinging Captain Obvious.

Hopefully conditions improve for everyone there soon.


7 posted on 11/04/2012 3:04:51 PM PST by moviefan8
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To: Hojczyk

Oh come on!

All those homes that banks own, due to Obama and his RATs crashing the mortgage industry? I’m sure they’re just dying to unload a few hundred thousand houses real cheap.

Sandy shed a whole new light on the term “underwater mortgage” dinnit?


8 posted on 11/04/2012 3:05:57 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Hojczyk

We lost power for a week a few years ago after a storm. We are always prepared. Thank god it was in September while it was still warm, not November.

The article was correct in that no amount of blankets will warm a child when it’s 30 degrees.

How about a little compassion Freeper friends,,, this hit ALL the residents, not just the ones we disagree with politically.


9 posted on 11/04/2012 3:27:22 PM PST by mom4melody
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To: NoLibZone

I just don’t understand this. When Katrina hit we took in thousands of people from NOLA. There were wall-to-wall cots at the Astrodome, George R. Brown Convention Center, several high school gyms, local colleges. People were shuttled around on school buses. Worked there a couple of days at one shelter. Lunchtime was thousands of sandwiches made in assembly line fashion. Doesn’t anybody there know how to organize anything? Need to get rid of the governors and turn this part of the operation over to some older mothers or let the military do it.


10 posted on 11/04/2012 3:40:56 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Hojczyk

Many years ago I got snowed in, in a house that had no fireplace or woodstove. It was awful. I want to say I was without power for six months—that’s what it felt like!—but it was really just six days. I was not able to leave and hike out through the woods for reasons of health. At that point I swore that I would never again live in a house without a fireplace and/or a woodstove. As soon as I could, I made that true. Never never never never.


11 posted on 11/04/2012 3:59:31 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Hojczyk

Maybe one silver living that will come out of this is that the know-it-all progressive northerners will learn a little humility towards the southerners they so often mock as dumb. Now they are finding out that we southerners know how to take care of community better than they do, because we rely on OURSELVES AND WE COOPERATE WITH EACH OTHER BETTER THAN THEY DO!!

Guess knowing which Chablis goes with which cheese doesn’t matter a whole hell of a lot now does it?


12 posted on 11/04/2012 4:02:30 PM PST by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: Hojczyk

I’m no prepper but even I know how to stay warm in a power failure. Catalytic propane heaters are cheap, Coleman propane lanterns throw off quite a bit of heat, and if all else fails a few candles in a small room will keep you alive.


13 posted on 11/04/2012 4:16:21 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Hojczyk

“”There’s really no amount of blankets that can stop you from being cold in 30-degree weather,”

30 degrees? Above zero? Sheltered from the wind?

Are you kidding me?!!!

The blessed configuration of DNA that resulted in the overwhelming success of the human species seems to have weakened considerably. The entire inbred sub-species inhabiting the Northeastern cities must be on the cusp of winning some sort of collective Darwin Award. It needs culling.

Can they not physically tolerate a few days of low-intensity “roughing it” that would pale compared to lots of camping I’ve done? Do they not know that people, even recently, have survived incredible rigors like the Battle of the Bulge and Stalingrad. Do they really not know that human mothers long ago figured out (without handwringing) how to warm their babies, so that the species could survive the historical sweep of human expansion north from Africa?

Do they really have no clue how to prepare to keep their families safe, fed and warm, even with almost a week’s warning? Long underwear, wool socks, neck gators, sleeping bags, food, water, etc - they might have had such practicalities in reserve for years if smart, but even the near-clueless could have woken up and ordered them in time with expedited shipping from EBay when the storm first got publicity. Sheesh!

Pathetic.


14 posted on 11/04/2012 4:58:36 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux
“”There’s really no amount of blankets that can stop you from being cold in 30-degree weather,” 30 degrees? Above zero? Sheltered from the wind? Are you kidding me?!!!

LOL Oh do I agree dagogo. I kick the blankets of down to mid forties. Have slept many nights with no heat in the building down to minus 30 outside temps. I would not want to these days but know that I could. I live where wintertime blizzards invariably bring power failures. I have never seen house temps drop below 30 degrees even after 8 days of wind. But a few candles and or a a two mantle Coleman lanterns become worth their weight in something good.

15 posted on 11/04/2012 5:28:02 PM PST by Dust in the Wind (U S Troops Rock)
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To: dagogo redux

Since you are so smart and resilient, why don’t you go and volunteer and teach those people how to survive?

Going camping in 30 degree weather is no comparison to a flood. You have obviously not been through a flood and thus are ignorant of the effects it has on a human mind and body.

I was in a flood in August. It was hot. I cannot imagine going through all that in November.

We had a Vet here. The most wonderful, caring person you’d ever meet. He cooked for us for two weeks. One day he didn’t show up. We found out that he was in the hospital. Mental breakdown or something similar. He couldn’t handle seeing all the destruction and what people had to go through just to get back to normalcy. Maybe he had some sort of flashback.

Unless you’ve been through a flood, you have NO CLUE as to what those people are experiencing.


16 posted on 11/04/2012 5:28:22 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Hojczyk

No problem, Czar Bloomberg will order that thousands of housing units appear. If he can make 32 oz. sugary drinks disappear, I’m sure that he can walk on water to bless the homeless, lay on hands to heal the sick and broken, break fish and bread to feed the multitudes, and make housing rise up from empty plots of earth.


17 posted on 11/04/2012 5:32:41 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (The law of unintended consequences is an unforgiving and vindictive b!tch!)
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To: dagogo redux
30 ain't no thang ~ 'ceptin' for folks who grew up in the Carribean, South America, Africa ~ the world's warmer climes.

By the time you're an adult your body is in tune with the heat, and then when you escape to New York City it's going to be cold the rest of your life.

This is partly adaptation and partly background genetics that are not changeable. Best to wear clothes appropriate to the climate.

El Norte should be left to the folks from the North anyway. They're born adapted to something like 30, or 10, or even -50! Frankly, I love -30 the best because if there's no wind you can breath out ice particles. Stand on the sides of your feet inside your heavy boots though. That's some cold stuff.

18 posted on 11/04/2012 5:32:46 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Hojczyk

Oh lord please don’t relocate them to Arizona again.


19 posted on 11/04/2012 5:36:46 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
lots of folks here have been through floods, hurricanes, tornados, camping trips, and, believe it or not, long swims in an ice filled river in winter.

Not everybody reacts the same way, but I'd bet just about all those who scoffs at the people at the cutting edge of this disaster have something they imagine they couldn't deal with ~ just ask them.

Still, some folks are simply built different ~ nature doesn't play this 'born equal' stuff ~ that's best kept in court.

20 posted on 11/04/2012 5:42:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: NoLibZone

And Sandy was not even a hurricane.

Imagine if it had been a cat 5 hurricane?


Obviously you don’t know what damage ocean surge flooding does, so maybe don’t talk about it too much.

They need to get these people on their way to heated housing. It will be months before they can safely live in their houses again. No one seems to know what the heck their are doing up there. :(


21 posted on 11/04/2012 5:50:25 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: NoLibZone

And Sandy was not even a hurricane.

Imagine if it had been a cat 5 hurricane?


Obviously you don’t know what damage ocean surge flooding does, so maybe don’t talk about it too much.

They need to get these people on their way to heated housing. It will be months before they can safely live in their houses again. No one seems to know what the heck their are doing up there. :(


22 posted on 11/04/2012 5:51:36 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: NoLibZone

And Sandy was not even a hurricane.

Imagine if it had been a cat 5 hurricane?


Obviously you don’t know what damage ocean surge flooding does, so maybe don’t talk about it too much.

They need to get these people on their way to heated housing. It will be months before they can safely live in their houses again. No one seems to know what the heck their are doing up there. :(


23 posted on 11/04/2012 5:55:37 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

A cat 5 would have soaked it good then blown it all down too.


24 posted on 11/04/2012 5:59:52 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: Grams A

I’ve been wondering the same thing, Grams. I, too, remember the shelters set up for Katrina folks at the George R Brown, etc. We saw endless video on the nightly news of the shelters, the people and the (well organized) food and supplies being distributed. Where are the shelters in NY and NJ?


25 posted on 11/04/2012 6:00:19 PM PST by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Hojczyk

Don’t worry some Yahoo News idiots think this is going to spur the economy.

lolz

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2954833/posts


26 posted on 11/04/2012 6:00:39 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Grams A

Same reason they didn’t want National Guard on the street, same reason they wanted to run a marathon.

They want to pretend its all better since Obama dropped by for a photo-op.


27 posted on 11/04/2012 6:03:04 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Grams A

In New Jersey things are much more orderly. I live in the bay shore area and got my power back on Friday. I waited on a gas line 4 hours. People here were respectful and waited their turn. The Jersey shore was hit just as hard, if not harder, than NYC. There are no people in the streets freezing. Shelters are set up here everywhere. At mass this morning, our church said not to bring more clothes because they received so much they have no room to store them. The outpouring has been amazing here. Many people on Staten Island don’t want to leave their homes because they fear looting so they stay there and freeze. A lot of the homes flooded on the lower levels so they are gutting the bottom levels and living upstairs. They can’t turn on the power because of all the standing water. These people are truly in a bad way.


28 posted on 11/04/2012 6:04:08 PM PST by jersey117
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To: Hojczyk

They will have a housing problem and it will take a Democrat to make is worse.


29 posted on 11/04/2012 6:06:13 PM PST by bmwcyle (45% to 47% of American voters are stupid)
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To: SaraJohnson; NoLibZone

Failing to take into account Bloomberg, FEMA and Obama as the ones who will be in charge of recovery is a bad idea.

They made it 10X worse than it should have been.


30 posted on 11/04/2012 6:07:17 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: bmwcyle

is = it


31 posted on 11/04/2012 6:08:36 PM PST by bmwcyle (45% to 47% of American voters are stupid)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

True. High wind is insult to injury. Flooding damage is nothing sneeze at, though.

Those people are up the creek unless they figure out how to move on, re-establish themselves and do it NOW. They can’t wait it out in the cold...then possible fires from wiring damage, bacteria and mold when the electric and heat comes back on.

They don’t understand what danger they are in and that they need to move out and come back later to restore their houses. Renters need to just move on permanently.


32 posted on 11/04/2012 6:16:18 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: HiTech RedNeck

True. High wind is insult to injury. Flooding damage is nothing sneeze at, though.

Those people are up the creek unless they figure out how to move on, re-establish themselves and do it NOW. They can’t wait it out in the cold...then possible fires from wiring damage, bacteria and mold when the electric and heat comes back on.

They don’t understand what danger they are in and that they need to move out and come back later to restore their houses. Renters need to just move on permanently.


33 posted on 11/04/2012 6:24:15 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: HiTech RedNeck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IibIB-P-a6c


34 posted on 11/04/2012 6:28:55 PM PST by Alice in Wonderland
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Yes, when you compare modern society to the pioneers we are spoiled and require luxuries. The thing is, there are no more open plains to lay a claim on. How many FReepers would do that in a heartbeat these days, a lot?

Sure they had it much worse in the “olden days”, but those people lived in the olden days None of us grew up thinking that is a normal way of life. Maybe a couple of decades living in a shack without power and running water we’d get used to it, but we wouldn’t like it because we know there is better now.

As much as radical leftists talk about wanting to take away our electricity and gasoline and easy food supply, I don’t think more than a few percent of Americans would agree, and many of them are probably comfortable or wealthy. They’ll be exempt of course.

So, yes, living in a high-rise public housing complex with no power and water is a harsh, horrible thing. These are people who have been brainwashed to government dependence, they probably thought preppers were nuts. Many are waiting for the Mayor’s Nanny Wagons to bring help to this day.

It’s horribly sad.

Maybe on election day FEMA will give them an MRE, a week after the storm. That is the storm response that Obama was praised to the hilt for, a week to get one MRE! If it goes as planned, anyways.

I think many will learn lessons from this, I know I have.

I learned that a Cat 1 storm can be turned into a Cat 10 by lousy leftist politicians more concerned with PR than actually getting things done. Bloomberg wants to put on marathons and concerts and pretend its all better now that Obama came by for a photo-op. He is an elitist snob.

If George W Bush were Governor of NY he would be there with a chainsaw cutting up fallen trees and handing out bottled water from the back of a truck. Something that would lift morale and hopes a lot more than putting on a high-class celebrity-studded party on Times Square.


35 posted on 11/04/2012 6:30:00 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: All

26 degrees there tonight.


36 posted on 11/04/2012 6:30:24 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Grams A

My kids and I, with a couple of clean up crew cooked and served 6,300 pasta meals in the Astrodome in the first two days it was open.. I was exhausted, but happy to do it, and would do it again..

However, I have to say I wanted to kick the Fire Marshal’s A$$, before I was done.. She was always on our butt about the flames from the boiling water on the friggin stoves..

I kept telling her it was WATER, not grease, so chill.. She was dumb as a sack of rocks!

The folks that you would except, were really grateful, and couldn’t thank us enough, the others didn’t even smile, let alone say thank you..


37 posted on 11/04/2012 6:40:15 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: SaraJohnson
I suggest assigning flooded out families at random to rich liberals' houses as guests in Fairfield, Connecticut and other such areas of CT and NY.

Those liberals should be tasked with feeding and housing their guests in their house until the geusts are able to return home.

38 posted on 11/04/2012 6:42:06 PM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: GeronL
Maybe a couple of decades living in a shack without power and running water we’d get used to it, but we wouldn’t like it because we know there is better now.

I agree and I am alpha prepared. We could be hit by a blizzard and snowed in for 30 days (heck, much more) without much of a fuss, but I would not be content. Clearing snow, charging batteries, hauling wood, and feeding the wood stoves adds to the daily chores. I would miss setting the thermostat and forgetting about it. Heck, worst case for us would be cold showers (am working on that for long term). I have been there and done that before. No thanks. I like turning on a hot shower. Why not?

We have grown accustomed to modern conveniences for a very good reason. The technology works and allows us to increase the efficiency and comfort of daily living. No doubt we would aspire to attain that level of technology again even in a grid down situation.

Frankly, I am in my mid 50s now and know the clock is ticking. I have no bravado or romanticism for primitive living.

After saying all of that and watching what is happening in the northeast, I know we all have to prepare.
39 posted on 11/04/2012 7:47:39 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

bump!


40 posted on 11/04/2012 7:51:38 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

“Unless you’ve been through a flood, you have NO CLUE as to what those people are experiencing.”

My family’s lived on the Outer Banks for over forty years, through more hurricanes and devastating storm surges and such than you imagine. We’re seafaring stock that’s lived and sailed and fished along the East Coast going back many generations on both sides. Don’t tell me about having a clue. The clue is to be realistically prepared and to be tough, and these idiots in New York were neither.


41 posted on 11/04/2012 8:37:25 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

You are too full of yourself.


42 posted on 11/04/2012 8:50:42 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Full of better stuff than you are. Glad not to be you.


43 posted on 11/04/2012 9:00:18 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

You’re hard stock. My family vacationed on the Outer Banks for years and we went through a hurricane there. I’m not sure there are more hard core preppers! I learned a lot.


44 posted on 11/04/2012 9:11:28 PM PST by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: mom4melody

If people still have a roof over their heads, it is hard for me to understand the lack of preparedness, since they had ample warning. We always have several methods of heat, ability to boil water, water storage, food storage, and lighting.

The hot water tank can be drained for drinking water if needed. Empty Soda jugs could have been filled with drinking water. The bathtub could have been filled with water as well.

I have sterno stove, charcoal grill, wood pit, coleman camping stove, and a fire place to use for cooking. Also a generator and several containers of fuel, a kerosene heater too. I have coleman lantern, oil lamps, kerosene lamps, candles, led lights and batteries.

We often have electrical outages in the summer and winter here in our area, and when my Dad was alive, he was on oxygen 24/7, and we were all electric. Not being prepared could have had a really sad outcome. I don’t understand not doing contingency planning for the worst.

Those people whose houses burnt or washed away, I can understand, but I do NOT understand Bloomie denying help from the National Guard. My prayers for all those impacted.

Just glad I don’t live in New York, the governor and mayor don’t seem to have a very organized plan either.


45 posted on 11/04/2012 9:40:06 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: PA Engineer

About that hot shower: When I was a kid on granny’s farm (no running water or indoor facilities).

We took hot showers in an old galvinized tub on the enclosed back porch. Heated up water in a tea kettle, poured it into a 2-3 gallon water can with sprinkler nozzle, added cold water to the right temperature.

Step into the tub. Lather up your hands or washrag with soap. Wash all over. Use the water can to wash off all the soap. Didn’t last that long, but it was great while it lasted. LOL.

In between bath/shower night the tub hung on the outside wall over a nail and we used an old fashined metal wash basin for nightly clean ups.

What I hated the worst was visiting the outhouse in the winter. BRRRRR.


46 posted on 11/04/2012 9:56:53 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
What I hated the worst was visiting the outhouse in the winter. BRRRRR.

Yep. When I began prepping in 98 I placed the flush toilet 2nd after safe water. Over the last 14 years I have backed up our back ups three different ways. A glacial surge and/or a supernova will overcome us before we give up the flush toilet.

Two weeks in a winter camp taught me to appreciate the wonders of western plumbing.
47 posted on 11/04/2012 10:57:19 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

LOL. I heard That! We did buy a bedside potty chair for my Dad before he died. We decided to keep it just in case of sewer backup, so we would have a backup plan for the flush toilet too. A little here and a little there, and we are in better shape than many.


48 posted on 11/04/2012 11:29:52 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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