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Homeschoolers Flee Persecution in Germany and Sweden
The New American ^ | 03 November 2012 | Alex Newman

Posted on 11/04/2012 12:22:19 PM PST by VitacoreVision

Homeschoolers Flee Persecution in Germany and Sweden

The New American
03 November 2012

This weekend the first ever Global Home Education conference is being held in Berlin as homeschool families tell of being forced to flee Germany and Sweden.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government
KEYWORDS: frhf; germany; homeschool; sweden

1 posted on 11/04/2012 12:22:19 PM PST by VitacoreVision
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To: VitacoreVision

Having lived in Germany for a number of years...I can say this. You can go to a public school or a private school...but you cannot create a home-school environment. Private schools do exist and are popular with a number of parents, but you have to be able to afford them. Typically....most relate to the Catholic Church.

Adding to the frustration of this business....teachers will tell you that you can’t possibly be a teacher unless you’ve done a university degree in Germany (of any type). The idea of a housewife teaching a child is “impossible” (they will state this in TV interviews and public forums).

The comical side of this is that they barely teach 4.5 hours a day, and dump the kid with homework. If the teacher did a lousy job and can’t comprehend the topic (especially math and science)...the kid can’t expect much of any help from the parents (because they really don’t remember anything from their days in school). So they’ve created this tutor business operation in every community....which is comprised of former and retired teachers. From 1:30PM on....for the rest of the day...a kid might be in one to two hours of tutoring...which the German parent typically pays around $250 a month to get ten hours of extra help a month.

The Germans have a lot of positives in their system and weed out the poor performers...but the idea that a smart kid could fall behind and never recover in their system...is very possible.


2 posted on 11/04/2012 12:46:57 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: VitacoreVision

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Sweden’s government are guilty of state-sponsored child abuse. I’ve read the heartbreaking story
of the Swedish father who hasn’t seen his son for years after abduction by the government. Sick. This is what happens in a nation where government replaces God.


3 posted on 11/04/2012 12:49:57 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

What I find amazing is how quickly, historically speaking, the superficial concepts of truth have been adopted by the State.

Virtually all of our “modern educational” system can be traced to Eugenicists of the early 20th century.

I still hold out, with the hope of human nature and its unquenched desire for understanding.

There has been “the greatest hoax” ever perpetrated on the world that the lines of reason will clash like nothing that has ever been seen.


4 posted on 11/04/2012 1:18:18 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: VitacoreVision

Germany persecuting civilians? Sounds familiar.

Hopefully, someone is keeping an eye on government purchases of cattle cars...


5 posted on 11/04/2012 1:23:48 PM PST by moovova (The infamous 3am call FINALLY came. Obama took the call...rolled over & went back to sleep.)
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To: VitacoreVision; betty boop; marron; Alamo-Girl; little jeremiah; metmom; xzins; GodGunsGuts; ...

Let us celebrate opposing the state’s establishment of eduction, the same as we oppose the state’s establishment of religion . . . and for much the same reason.


6 posted on 11/04/2012 1:31:19 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: YHAOS

Let’s see:

State establishment of education = What to think

State establishment of religion = What to think

I think I get where you are coming from.

The authority of the State vs. the authority of religion.

Does the State allow for people to decide for themselves ?

Does religion allow for people to decide for themselves ?

Islam, does not allow for free thought as not all religions are the same.

While I would agree that there are those that take the, “because the bible says so” position, it is a far cry from the brainwashing that your post implies.

I have found both personally and in my research that those that truly understand the nature of Christianity, are the most free to think for themselves.


7 posted on 11/04/2012 1:55:35 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: VitacoreVision

Not every public school system sucks as much as the US public school system (in fact, most don’t). Historically, German and Swedish (and Dutch and French and...) schools have a very good track record. Thus, it were only somewhat unbalanced parents that would want to homeschool. Should it be their right, regardless? Anyone’s call.


8 posted on 11/04/2012 2:07:43 PM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Zeneta
The authority of the State vs. the authority of religion.

Can you perhaps relate to me, other than persuasion, what authority Religion possesses absent the authority of the State?

9 posted on 11/04/2012 2:52:34 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: YHAOS

and for much the same reason.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

For **exactly** the same reason.

Why?

Answer: It is impossible to have a religiously, politically, and culturally neutral education. When government establishes schools, it is establishing a government sanctioned religious, political, and cultural worldview.


10 posted on 11/04/2012 3:02:20 PM PST by wintertime (:-))
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To: YHAOS
“The authority of the State vs. the authority of religion.”

Can you perhaps relate to me, other than persuasion, what authority Religion possesses absent the authority of the State?

Clearly the authority of a State religion is one of the founding principles of our nation.

Religion, and Christianity specifically, purports no authority for acceptance.

Defining authority is the question.

I can't tell you how many people I know that grew up in a bible believing, bible banging home that have fled THAT AUTHORITY.

There comes a time in which thoughtful individuals find for themselves the true nature of life.

Once that is found, there is only God.

Well, actually we have only two choices:

God created everything we know

or

We, on this planet were seeded by aliens.

11 posted on 11/04/2012 3:32:20 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: VitacoreVision; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; adopt4Christ; ...

HOMESCHOOL PING

This ping list is for articles of interest to homeschoolers. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping List. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added or removed from either list, or both.

The keyword for the FREE REPUBLIC HOMESCHOOLERS’ FORUM is frhf.

12 posted on 11/04/2012 4:00:36 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: YHAOS

While I contemplate the nature of understanding and the atoms of existence, the space between my thoughts have no rivals.


13 posted on 11/04/2012 4:01:11 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: VitacoreVision

Federal Givernment cannot handle education any better than it can handle AMRAK(trains).. or the Post Office..

State givernment is a bit better but still sucks like a vacuum..

Only Local givernment can handle education but still not as good as Home Schooling can..

Home Schooling should be the model with givernment schools a remote option if the parents are morons....


14 posted on 11/04/2012 4:33:44 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Moltke
Not every public school system sucks as much as the US public school system (in fact, most don’t).
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Every government K-12 school in these United States of America is godless in its worldview. Just to cooperate in the godless classroom, do his godless home assignments, and read his godless texts the child must learn think and reason godlessly.

That SUCKS! Big time! And...No one should be forced to pay for this abomination and no child should be forced by the government to attend.

Every government K-12 school in the U.S. A. is a socialist and single-payer program. Simply by attending children risk learning that the government has great power to force their neighbor to pay for their godless and socialist schooling. So?...If the government can give a child tuition-free school, why not use that power to get **lots** of socialist goodles?’

This SUCKS and isn't politically or culturally neutral. It is an abomination to force citizens to pay for it. It is even worse to force children to attend.

Fundamentally, a religiously, culturally, and politically neutral school is **IMPOSSIBLE**! For this reason we should begin the process of privatizing all education.

15 posted on 11/04/2012 5:20:37 PM PST by wintertime (:-))
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To: hosepipe

Only Local givernment can handle education but still not as good as Home Schooling can..
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Government schooling can not be religiously, culturally, or politically neutral. No education can be. Such a state of neutrality is impossible!

So?...Even if school districts were the size of a city block or a suburban subdivision, government schooling would still be an abomination. For two reasons:

1) Since government schooling can not be politically, culturally, or religiously neutral, the biggest politically block of bullies would force their necessarily NON-neutral worldview on other people’s children, and force the fellow neighbors to pay for it.

2) Socialist-funded and single payer schooling is the very definition of socialism. Children who attend these government schools risk learning to be comfortable with taking money from their neighbor for their socialist-funded and tuition-free schooling. Gee! If the government can take money from a neighbor for tuition-free school, why not use that power to get lots of “free” stuff.

Even if districts were the size of 20 households they would still be a freedom of conscience and First Amendment abomination.


16 posted on 11/04/2012 5:51:51 PM PST by wintertime (:-))
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To: Zeneta
Clearly the authority of a State religion is one of the founding principles of our nation.

A “State” religion? Clearly? This nation? Sources, please. Original, if you can . . . not someone’s “interpretation” fifty years after the fact.

I asked you to state what authority Religion possesses, other than persuasion, absent the authority of the State. So far you’ve proven incapable of an unambiguous response.

17 posted on 11/04/2012 6:52:40 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Zeneta
"the space between my thoughts have no rivals."

Perhaps that "space" was seeded by aliens?

18 posted on 11/04/2012 7:01:41 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: YHAOS

Indeed. Thanks for the ping!


19 posted on 11/04/2012 8:18:21 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: YHAOS
I'm sure you misunderstood my comment:

“Clearly the authority of a State religion is one of the founding principles of our nation.”

The founding of this nation was in part to escape this.

20 posted on 11/05/2012 7:23:46 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Zeneta
I'm sure you misunderstood my comment

Your quote; msg # 11, “Clearly the authority of a State religion is one of the founding principles of our nation.”.

Your quote msg # 20, “The founding of this nation was in part to escape this.” (a state religion).

Your two comments are diametrically opposed, prima facie. So, yes, I misunderstand your comment . . . necessarily.

Again, I ask you, what authority does Religion possess, other than persuasion, absent the authority of the State.

21 posted on 11/06/2012 10:42:18 AM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: YHAOS

So, yes my #11 statement was poorly written.

As far as the authority of religion, apart from persuasion, I would suggest defining religion AND authority are necessary.

Is the Bible, KJV, an authority, persuasion or both ?

Religion, in the broadest sense, is and has been very authoritative and persuasive.

Persuasion, would imply a persuader, which in turn acts as an authority with or without the State.

To suggest the idea that all truth is relative, may be possible, it leaves most thoughtful individuals unsatisfied.


22 posted on 11/06/2012 11:15:50 AM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Zeneta
I would suggest defining religion AND authority are necessary.

Very well:

religion noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods:
ideas about the relationship between science and religion.
details of belief as taught or discussed: when the school first opened they taught only religion, Italian, and mathematics.
a particular system of faith and worship: the world's great religions.
a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance: consumerism is the new religion.

authority noun
1 the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience: he had absolute authority over his subordinates | positions of authority | they acted under the authority of the UN Security Council | a rebellion against those in authority .
the right to act in a specified way, delegated from one person or organization to another: military forces have the legal authority to arrest drug traffickers. official permission; sanction: the money was spent without congressional authority.

2 (often authorities) a person or organization having power or control in a particular, typically political or administrative, sphere: the health authorities | the Chicago Transit Authority | the authorities ordered all foreign embassies to close | she wasn't used to dealing with authority.

Persuasion, would imply a persuader, which in turn acts as an authority with or without the State

Some people (usually speaking in a humorous vein) refer to a hammer as a “persuader” by which they “persuade” a nail to penetrate a board. A “persuader,” in the more ordinary sense, is simply someone who persuades people to a particular opinion by their eloquence, and their (hopefully) logic.

In contrast, the State is always a hammer. Its ultimate “persuasion” invariably is, “do what I tell you, or I will kill you.” It seldom comes to that, of course, and “the State” is, in reality, an abstract concept, which means that the ultimate “persuasion” is enforced by an individual functioning as “the State,” but he has no authority other than the sanction of the State.

There are, of course, other meanings that are given to the word authority;
3 the power to influence others, esp. because of one's commanding manner or one's recognized knowledge about something: he has the natural authority of one who is used to being obeyed | he spoke with authority on the subject.
the confidence resulting from personal expertise: he hit the ball with authority.
a person with extensive or specialized knowledge about a subject; an expert: she was an authority on the stockmarket.
a book or other source able to supply reliable information or evidence, typically to settle a dispute: the court cited a series of authorities supporting their decision.
but, these meanings are only marginally applicable to this discussion.

In this last sense, the KJV is regarded as authoritative by some, but its authority would be hotly disputed by others.

In your msg # 7, you framed the issue as “The authority of the State vs. the authority of religion.”
These are two, very different, authorities. If a religion has any greater “authority” than opinion, it is an authority granted by the State.

23 posted on 11/06/2012 4:16:17 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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