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Power returns to lower Manhattan, but many waiting
Reuters ^ | 11/3/12 | Emily Flitter and Michelle Nichols

Posted on 11/03/2012 6:29:36 AM PDT by Kartographer

The power restoration came as gasoline supplies headed to coastal zones devastated by the record storm surge and to motorists whose patience has been tested by gasoline rationing during the painstaking effort to rebuild.

With the U.S. presidential election just three days away, about 3 million homes and business remained without power in a region choked with storm debris and long gas lines reminiscent of the 1970s-era U.S. fuel shortage. Angry storm victims wondered when their lives would return to normal.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: hurricane; manhattan; ny2012; nyc; poweroutage; sandy
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The 'money' quote from this article:

In a sign of security worries in the neighborhood, one garage full of debris stood open with a sign next to it reading: "LOOTERS WILL BE CRUCIFIED - GOD HELP YOU."
1 posted on 11/03/2012 6:29:47 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: metmom; Marcella; Old Sarge; blam; The Duke; WakeUpAndVote; JRandomFreeper; Bride Of Old Sarge; ...

Mom is that You??? ;-)


2 posted on 11/03/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I’m still without power and Con Ed saying another week.


3 posted on 11/03/2012 6:32:11 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

That’s got to be tough GV. Have you be able to get any supplies?


4 posted on 11/03/2012 6:36:02 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: GlockThe Vote

GLV, do you have ways to stay warm? It’s about to get colder up there.


5 posted on 11/03/2012 6:41:04 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Kartographer
Or maybe this is the money quote:

Con Ed said it had restored power to 70 percent of the 916,000 customers in the New York City area who were cut off.

6 posted on 11/03/2012 6:49:48 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Kartographer
There was a photo in one of the NYC newspapers today of a homeowner somewhere in the city protecting his damaged him with a bow and arrow.

I know a gun is much more lethal, but something about an angry property owner protecting himself and his family with medieval weaponry would scare the daylights out of me. I half-expected to see his neighbors enhancing their protection by building catapults and preparing pots of boiling oil to pour on invading mutants. LOL.

7 posted on 11/03/2012 6:53:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Kartographer

I’m a prepper and have almost every possible contingency accounted for short of thermo-nuclear war.

I have power in my office in White Plains to charge devices, but gas is a problem. Its still total chaos on that front.

I’m physically, mentally, financially, prepared for this. Others - not so much.

I have SHTF bags in the office, cars, house, etc. I brought two ones I had as back up to my parents and they were like : “We never knew you had this much prep”.

I have been preparing for events like this since 2008 when the disgusting dirtbag at 1600 PA got elected.


8 posted on 11/03/2012 6:53:08 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Alberta's Child
His "damaged home," that is.
9 posted on 11/03/2012 6:54:26 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: GlockThe Vote

Prayers to you.


10 posted on 11/03/2012 6:56:31 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Yardstick; GlockThe Vote

Maybe the money quote is post #9, but then maybe not seeing how you don’t believe in prepping.


11 posted on 11/03/2012 7:01:02 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: GlockThe Vote

Storms or events like this take some time to get things back to some symblance of normalacy. It usually takes at least 3 or 4 days just to get things cleared out so that crews can come in to begin restoration. Restoration is usually scheduled on some type of priority with the home owner being on the lower end of that priority.

It’s very tough for the individual and it seems at times that nothing is being done. The long term impacts for those with property damage/loss will be much longer as they deal with insurance, contractors, etc. May God bless them as they proceed through this time.


12 posted on 11/03/2012 7:09:34 AM PDT by deport
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To: Alberta's Child
I know a gun is much more lethal, but something about an angry property owner protecting himself and his family with medieval weaponry would scare the daylights out of me. I half-expected to see his neighbors enhancing their protection by building catapults and preparing pots of boiling oil to pour on invading mutants. LOL.

Visualize a broadhead arrow like this in your guts, and tell yourself a bullet would be more lethal.

At ranges under 50 yards, an arrow is just as lethal as a bullet, and the arrow can be cut out of the target and used again. It is also relatively silent, and has no muzzle flash. If an archer shoots you on a dark night, you will never see where the arrow came from, and your friend standing next to you will likely not immediately notice you were hit.

Swords, spears, and halberds never run out of ammo and don't jam. You can also select the degree of wounding you wish to inflict in your target, from a minor scratch to convince him to leave, to spilling his intestines across the driveway.

13 posted on 11/03/2012 7:29:07 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: Alberta's Child

I would add that a pretty effective spear can be quickly created in seconds using a steak knife, a mop handle, and some duct tape.


14 posted on 11/03/2012 7:31:46 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: Kartographer
As I've said before, I think it's sensible to have a week or two's worth of supplies on hand. What I don't believe in is prepping for an extremely low probably SHTF type scenario.

And really it's not even the debatable practicality of full-on prepperism that bugs me. It's the attitude. There's an undertone of hoping for disaster that exists among some of you that is palpable. That's part of why I want to see the Northeast recover quickly -- so that certain preppers are denied the satisfaction of seeing things drag out.

15 posted on 11/03/2012 7:32:16 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: PapaBear3625
Right. Sometimes the method of attack can be more effective than the result.

They had a bizarre case here in New Jersey several decades ago involving an urban mutant who tried to assault and rob a bus driver (in Jersey City, I think). Turns out the driver had been robbed several times before, and had armed himself -- with a hatchet.

Eyewitnesses on the street outside the bus reported that the bus came to a halt, the door opened, and the thug's lifeless body got dumped out by head-first -- with the hatchet still stuck in the skull -- by the driver who had clearly "gone rogue" by this point. Unfortunately (or fortunately), the thug's legs were still inside the bus when the driver closed the door, so when the bus pulled away and sped down the street several blocks of onlookers were treated to the sight of the spectacle.

I think the Jersey City bus system was crime-free for several months after that incident.

16 posted on 11/03/2012 7:42:26 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: metmom; Marcella; Old Sarge; blam; The Duke; WakeUpAndVote; JRandomFreeper; Bride Of Old Sarge

Do you think he meant us? ;-)


17 posted on 11/03/2012 7:50:16 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Yardstick
There's an undertone of hoping for disaster that exists among some of you that is palpable

Horsecrap. That's 100% pure projection of your mental sterotype.

I am prepped for way more than a couple of weeks of supplies, and I hope to never have to use them during a SHTF event.

But after a personal financial disaster after the market crash in 2008, I ate on stored supplies and forage for almost 2 years.

/johnny

18 posted on 11/03/2012 7:57:34 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Alberta's Child

My kind of bus driver.


19 posted on 11/03/2012 8:00:57 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: Yardstick
What I don't believe in is prepping for an extremely low probably SHTF type scenario.

Anyone that does that is an idiot.

In my area, most likely threats are tornados, damaging straight line winds, wildfires, and personal financial events.

Those preps also work for someone in an earthquake zone, or a hurricane, or a blizzard.

I'm not prepping for earthquakes, I'm prepping for tornados, but if the New Madrid goes off (unlikely, in my lifetime), the tornado preps cover me.

/johnny

20 posted on 11/03/2012 8:03:36 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: PapaBear3625

Another bonus: no registration requirements with bow and arrows, hatchets, axes, machetes, etc. They would seem like a good backup in case the gun grabbers manage to grab your guns.

Heck, a stout pole with a fire hardened point could do a ton of damage in the right hands.


21 posted on 11/03/2012 8:10:30 AM PDT by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: JRandomFreeper

>>I’m not prepping for earthquakes, I’m prepping for tornados, but if the New Madrid goes off (unlikely, in my lifetime), the tornado preps cover me.

It’s also a mindset, which I am (frankly) still working on. Looking at resources all around me that I can use in a SHTF scenario, but which would be helpful in a typical short-term (weeks to month) power outage/natural disaster situation.

For example, some helpful FReeper mentioned a “rocket stove” on a thread yesterday. Not being more than ankle deep in prep’ing, I hadn’t heard of it before. Now I’m thinking of building a small one and using it for cooking on weekends—because all the prep in the world is worthless if you don’t do it with some first-hand experience.


22 posted on 11/03/2012 8:16:35 AM PDT by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: Yardstick
As I've said before, I think it's sensible to have a week or two's worth of supplies on hand. What I don't believe in is prepping for an extremely low probably SHTF type scenario.

The minimum that a rational person should be prepared for is two weeks. It's not uncommon for me to be out of power for several days at a time due to weather (mostly snowstorms/ice-storms), with the roads being ugly. I maintain enough food in the pantry to keep us fed for a month, and rotate it so that it all gets used before it gets near expiration date.

23 posted on 11/03/2012 8:23:03 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: Betis70
The most important thing about life, in general, is attitude and skillsets.

Stuff comes and goes. I've been weathy and I've been broke. Sometimes I've had the supplies I needed, sometimes I had to figure out something else.

Prepping is much more than laying in stores that never get used.

And face it, what we are prepping for is life. Our grandparents always went into fall with a room full of preserved food to cover the winter and spring month. It's just being prepared for life, as it comes, not specific events.

/johnny

24 posted on 11/03/2012 8:27:48 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: PapaBear3625
I always have multiple months worth of food on hand because I'm a cheap bastard that buys in bulk when stuff is on sale. ;)

It's cool that doing that helps keep me alive if something breaks or bends in my world and I can't get to a store for a few months.

/johnny

25 posted on 11/03/2012 8:31:03 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick; Kartographer; JRandomFreeper
“There's an undertone of hoping for disaster that exists among some of you that is palpable. That's part of why I want to see the Northeast recover quickly — so that certain preppers are denied the satisfaction of seeing things drag out.”

You carry on like this all the time. The above is YOUR opinion. You decide what WE are thinking and that is impossible for you to do. Plus, your opinion is worth dirt.

26 posted on 11/03/2012 8:44:09 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is Dead. PREPARE)
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To: Yardstick
What I don't believe in is prepping for an extremely low probably SHTF type scenario.

Do you carry life insurance? Home-owners insurance in case a fire burns down your house? Flood insurance? Long-term disability insurance?

We insure all the time for low-probability events which might be disastrous or life-threatening if encountered unprepared. Think of prepping as an insurance purchase.

27 posted on 11/03/2012 8:51:27 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: Betis70; PapaBear3625
If you don't have a gun you can beat one of these in close quarters.

28 posted on 11/03/2012 8:53:24 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Betis70

Rocket Stove I think I’ve heard of those ;-)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2914240/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2850938/posts


29 posted on 11/03/2012 8:56:28 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
You can get one as part of a zombie survival kit

Makes a great semi-fun Christmas gift.

30 posted on 11/03/2012 8:56:50 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: Kartographer
When the world throws lemons at you, make some lemonade.

I couldn't help but notice all the downed trees in the wake of the hurricane. I just did a google search on firewood here in Michigan and the going rate for a cord of unsplit wood is around $70...........For split and seasoned hardwood, it's selling between $140 and $200......

There's money to be made there if someone had the right equipment........a big truck for hauling the wood, chainsaw to cut the stuff and a wood chipper for the scrap and a log splitter.

As a side note, two years ago a tornado came thru my area taking off roofs and knocking down trees. I had a pin oak in my front yard that took off part of my front roof but my insurance company paid for it and the removal of the tree. A tree removal company came in with their chainsaws and shredder and within 20 minutes that oak tree was gone and so was the crew.

Other people around the area were luckier and just had downed trees. Everybody that took care of their own trees just stacked the wood up by their front curbs and within two days it was picked up by wood "scavengers".......

31 posted on 11/03/2012 9:02:56 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: PapaBear3625; Kartographer; JRandomFreeper; All

“Think of prepping as an insurance purchase.”

Exactly, I have said that over and over. I have lots of insurance for a disaster.

I created my own personal world to function with reasonable comfort for a year or more if the world outside my door collapses for any reason. This insurance gives me peace of mind.


32 posted on 11/03/2012 9:05:16 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is Dead. PREPARE)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Your analysis over looks the salient point....... they don’t allow wood burning stoves in the cities where the trees are down


33 posted on 11/03/2012 9:10:18 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Hot Tabasco
There's money to be made there

Lots of 'problems' in life can become opportunities, with the right attitude. What you posted represents the very best in American exceptionalism.

/johnny

34 posted on 11/03/2012 9:13:13 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Horsecrap. That's 100% pure projection of your mental sterotype.

It's not horsecrap. You're in denial.

It isn't exactly hard to see why a prepper, especially a hardcore prepping-as-lifestyle type, might see some upside in a disaster. It's just human nature to want that I told you so moment. Stir in some preppers' preoccupation with "mockers and doubters" and you have the perfect conditions for wanting it to happen -- on some level and despite the better judgement of their conscience. It's kind of like liberals wanting us to lose in Iraq. They'd deny it to the hilt but we all knew they wanted it.

35 posted on 11/03/2012 9:14:34 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: bert
they don’t allow wood burning stoves in the cities where the trees are down

Wood burning stoves and cities that don't allow them never entered my mind. There's a demand for firewood wherever it gets cold by people who use their fireplaces........

36 posted on 11/03/2012 9:18:45 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

We had a few big oaks ‘topped’ when we got a freak snowstorm last October (2011). Had the tree company remove the trees as they were a hazard, but also had them cut them into 18-21 inch long blanks. Been hand splitting that every weekend since.

Won’t have to buy firewood this year or next. Had plenty stacked and seasoned for this storm.

Lots of wood scavengers here last year. I haven’t really been driving around much after this storm, but I’m sure they are out there again this year.


37 posted on 11/03/2012 9:20:50 AM PDT by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: Yardstick
Projection. 100% projection.

Having lived through very hard times, I can guarantee you that I don't like having to do it. I can do it, and have, but you are full of crap that anyone wants it to happen.

It's like saying someone that has a lifestyle of buying house insurance is secretly hoping their house burns down. Horsecrap.

/johnny

38 posted on 11/03/2012 9:21:13 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: bert
they don’t allow wood burning stoves in the cities where the trees are down

Wood burning stoves and cities that don't allow them never entered my mind. There's a demand for firewood wherever it gets cold by people who use their fireplaces........It doesn't have to be Manhattan

39 posted on 11/03/2012 9:23:16 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: PapaBear3625

The problem with the insurance analogy is that full-on prepping is too big a cost for too unlikely an event. To prepare for the full SHTF scenario requires committing to a lifestyle and certain expenses that I don’t want to commit to. I have other things I’d rather put my time and resources toward. I might feel otherwise if the odds of TSHTF weren’t so low. As it is, I can see keeping preps on hand for something like Sandy, but not TSHTF.


40 posted on 11/03/2012 9:42:09 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Betis70
I have a cousin in northern Michigan who would contract with the state DNR for forest cleaning.

The DNR would assign parcels of state land to these contractors then go in and mark trees for removal. After he cleared the trees my cousin would then keep the wood and cut it into cord size then sell it for firewood.

This was years ago when cord wood was only about $25 per cord. He didn't get rich off it but it was a source of income between other ventures he was always involved in.

The thing about tree removal after storms is that the trees are already down and you and your homeowners insurance is anxious to get your property cleaned up. My pin oak was about 35 feet high, so it wasn't a small tree. As I said, the tree company came in with 3 guys and had it and a juniper tree gone in just 20 minutes. Two guys were cutting with chain saws and the third guy was feeding the wood chipper.....I think the total cost was about $250. Not bad for so little time....

41 posted on 11/03/2012 9:50:15 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: JRandomFreeper

No, it’s more like being a big advocate of house insurance and having a neighbor who refuses to buy house insurance and who makes it clear that he thinks you’re nuts for buying it, so you secretly fume and hope his house burns down.

Except of course that prepping for TSHTF isn’t anywhere near as reasonable as having house insurance.


42 posted on 11/03/2012 9:50:26 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
A SHTF scenario is one where you lose your income for 2 years. Lots and lots of good people have in the last few years. It doesn't affect the rest of the world. It affects YOU and your family. And it sucks, even if you are somewhat prepared.

I save money, about 15% by buying in bulk when things that I use are on sale. It also leaves me with months and months of supplies if I need them.

You have some seriously screwed up ideas about what preppers do. Hint... It's like what our grandparents did up until about the '50s.

/johnny

43 posted on 11/03/2012 9:50:52 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick
so you secretly fume and hope his house burns down.

Dude, you have issues. I don't give a rat's ass what my neighbors do, unless it affects me directly. I don't project or demand others behave the way I think they should. You, however are pretty vocal about projecting your attitudes on people that you know very little about.

You do what you want to do, I'll do what I want to do, and I can do without your crap. You offer nothing positive to the discussion.

/johnny

44 posted on 11/03/2012 9:55:55 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I'm responding to your analogy, not talking about myself. I wouldn't want a neighbor's house to burn, and maybe you wouldn't either. But you read some of these prepper articles and blog posts and it's clear that there's some sort of persecuted/vindictive state of mind going on.

Like that article blam posted a few months back, the one I dubbed Blam's Inferno (which wasn't written by him, just posted by him). The guy starts off venting angrily about being mocked for his preps, then spends the rest of the piece putting waaaay too much imaginitive effort into describing the various torments and grisly demises in store for non-preppers in a SHTF scenario. Then he says he's just doing it to raise awareness or something, because he cares. Yeah right, buddy.

45 posted on 11/03/2012 10:12:05 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
As I said. You bring nothing positive to the discussion that people are having to maintain life during harsh circumstances.

You do, however snipe at people that are doing positive things to maintain life, and casting aspersions on their motives. What positive contribution to the discussion of preparedness do you have? So far I have seen none.

/johnny

46 posted on 11/03/2012 10:18:07 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
A SHTF scenario is one where you lose your income for 2 years.

This seems like a pretty drastic defining down of SHTF.

47 posted on 11/03/2012 10:18:18 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
Live through it, hero, and come back and talk to me. As far as you are concerned it's SHTF when it happens to you.

Losing your house, your car, and being forced into homeless shelters has happened all over America in the last few years.

Doesn't matter if it's NBC warfare that cause it, or the great depression of 1930 or the depression of 2008. Homeless is homeless. Hungry is hungry.

It's conservative to protect one's family against that. It's liberal to snipe at those that are trying to do something about it.

/johnny

48 posted on 11/03/2012 10:24:52 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick; metmom; Marcella; Old Sarge; blam; The Duke; WakeUpAndVote; JRandomFreeper; ...

Think about this way and you will see that Yardstick has a point.

It’s just human nature to want that I told you so moment. Stir in some “mockers and doubters” preoccupation with preppers’ and what they believe and how the spend their own money have the perfect conditions for wanting them punished for not think and behaving like they think they should — on some level and despite the better judgement of their conscience they want this people punished for their ‘misdeeds’. It’s kind of like liberals wanting us to lose in Iraq. They’d deny it to the hilt but we all knew they wanted it. Sooner or later if these “mockers and doubters” happen to know any preppers they will be among the despite the better judgement of their conscience they will be among the first to report those preppers to the authorities for their misdeed and hoarding. Why it many even eat at them so much that they don’t even wait, but upon learn of these people they would (anonymously of course) despite they better judgement and ‘conservative’ values feel the need to report such miscreant to the authorities so as to make sure that their behavior is monitor and thus insure a better chance that they be punished for their behavior. Now does that make sense?

Yardstick you are trying to blow smoke up somewhere were the sun don’t shine.

I’ll tell you what I will put the body of my work for the past week helping, urging, advising, making recommendations, posting prep list and so own and the number of people I have help against all you anti-prepping post. I know for a fact I have helped a lot of people and I have the Freepmails of thanks to prove it.

My posting history is open for you to study. Now you show me were during the past week you helped anyone on FR to the same degree. You show me where your anti-prepping BS has helped anyone, has made anyone’s life easier or helped cause them less suffering. Are you up to my challenge?


49 posted on 11/03/2012 10:30:50 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: JRandomFreeper

Getting through an extended period of joblessness is about financial preparedness, something which I have most certainly done — I could easily go two years with no income — not stocking up on survival supplies. You seem to be confusing things.


50 posted on 11/03/2012 10:42:47 AM PDT by Yardstick
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