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Temperatures drop, tempers rise as Sandy power outages linger (Obama FAILED!)
cnn ^ | 11/3/2012 | By Faith Karimi

Posted on 11/03/2012 6:08:53 AM PDT by tobyhill

Survivors of Superstorm Sandy welcomed glimmers of hope as services resumed in some areas, but for those quivering in dark and unheated homes, relief was not coming fast enough.

About 2.7 million customers remained without power Saturday across 15 states and the District of Columbia. And some may be in the dark for another week, according to utility officials.

Frustrated residents, worried about plunging temperatures, said companies are not working fast enough to restore power.

"The power company sent us an e-mail alert saying we'll have to wait more days," said Pankaj Purohit, whose apartment is next to a marina in Jersey City, New Jersey. "We have already been waiting for five days."

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1 posted on 11/03/2012 6:08:58 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

IBEW's Fault!


2 posted on 11/03/2012 6:10:40 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: bert

IBEW is chasing those non-union workers out. They want fat over-time checks for as long as they can drag this job out. The old and the young be damned.


3 posted on 11/03/2012 6:13:25 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: tobyhill

” “The power company sent us an e-mail alert saying we’ll have to wait more days,” said Pankaj Purohit, whose apartment is next to a marina in Jersey City, New Jersey. “We have already been waiting for five days

Then those unions shouldn’t have sent away those crews from Alabama for being non union, correct?


4 posted on 11/03/2012 6:14:09 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: tobyhill
Hurricane Sandy

Proof of global warming!

6 posted on 11/03/2012 6:20:04 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: tobyhill

Too bad the libs can’t translate drum-banging into a useful power source


7 posted on 11/03/2012 6:22:41 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: bert

“””””IBEW’s Fault!””””

I’m sure you actually meant W’s Fault!


8 posted on 11/03/2012 6:23:09 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: tobyhill; All
Where is the MSM, like they were in NOLA post-Katrina, circling the SuperCity like they circled the SuperDome, asking the feds where is relief to be found?

And how much more endangerment is there? NOLA Looting was front & center nationally by the MSM; NY City looting made the NY Post & seemed to die there, except for a few things about Coney Island looting making it out...

What about the economic effect upon hourly wage-earners in the darkened areas? The ones who can't simply use up excess sick/vacation time? The ones who in some areas are already paying higher-than-your average rents & leases & mortgages?

Where is the MSM telling us their plight? Why is the MSM awol not only on Libya, but the aftermath?

They seemed to go from "prep for the hurricane" to "oh, it's only a superstorm, let's move on..." ... and these residents would love to "move on," but that's not a reality for many living condition-wise, transportation-wise, and job-wise...

In the Katrina aftermath, per the MSM, George Bush was THE god of the fed safety net who somehow failed to protect the vulnerable; With Sandy, the MSM, not wanting much negative press to go to any Dems up for re-election, are doin' the Wall Street (& the rest of Manhattan) shuffle...

9 posted on 11/03/2012 6:23:18 AM PDT by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: tobyhill
Frustrated residents, worried about plunging temperatures, said companies are not working fast enough to restore power.

Cities do not do enough to prepare for things like this. They simply can't.

People need to be more self reliant. My pantry is always overstocked, but not with the MRE stuff, but real food we use all the time and just rotate. Natural gas backup generator. Gas generator in the garage. I have 2 50 gallon drinking water barrels (from my Boy Scout days) that I can fill in advance of any emergency. I could easily last a month (provided the natural gas stays on. Thought about propane but took the gamble)

It would be tough to do this in a city. Just not enough space.

10 posted on 11/03/2012 6:25:18 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: tobyhill

So perhaps it was a little premature for Christie to be quite so vigorous in praising what a “wonderful job” President Obama was doing on Sandy. Not to mention a little imprudent one week before a major election. I don’t begrudge Christie having a joint photo op with Obama, but he didn’t have to be so effusive in his praise.


11 posted on 11/03/2012 6:28:32 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: tobyhill

It’s supposed to get to the 30s tonight there, with a real chill to it, ‘feeling’ in the mid-20s.

There are going to be more deaths from this.


12 posted on 11/03/2012 6:32:32 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Hmm... Wonder if the Staten Islanders will be stupid enough to go for Obama come this Tuesday or sit out the election; or, are they mad enough to vote Romney-Ryan?


13 posted on 11/03/2012 6:32:37 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: Unam Sanctam

Yes, a simple “Thank you for coming,” would have been sufficient.


14 posted on 11/03/2012 6:35:44 AM PDT by jch10 (BO went to bed and let Americans die.)
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To: bigbob

The problem is that New York and New Jersey don’t have solar arrays and wind turbines like California. When the earth quake desrtoys large sections of the state, the wind and solar arrays will provide power not dependent on the roads and transport system


15 posted on 11/03/2012 6:36:30 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Real Cynic No More

Staten Island is already a Republican bastion in New York City. They’ll be voting Romney for “revenge” against Obama and Doomberg and Cuomo.


16 posted on 11/03/2012 6:37:19 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: tobyhill
Frustrated residents ... said companies are not working fast enough to restore power.

I'm sorry they're still without power but the power infrastructure is a mix of components no doubt installed over a period of decades. It cannot just be "fixed" overnight no matter how many people you throw at it. Brings to mind the classic book "The Mythical Man-Month".

17 posted on 11/03/2012 6:38:18 AM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: WashingtonSource
IF they're able to vote.

Convenient, huh?

18 posted on 11/03/2012 6:44:34 AM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: ken in texas

After 30 plus yrs in S Fla I was without power on many occasions and watched power be restored all around me.As a utility worker I was aware of how the local”grid” was wired and understood why the guy behind me had poewer and I did not.
Yes it frustrating especially when after a hurricane,trop storm what ever I was working 14 hour days restoring service for others only to go home and take cold showers and live out of a cooler and on one occasion for 3 weeks.
Some of these people in Jersey and NY are unreasonable and as always act like self centered idiots.
A week with out power is not unheard of. When you look around you and poles are snaped off,on the ground and lines look like spahgetti dangling every where than guess what,its gona be a long f’en time so deal with it or get out.


19 posted on 11/03/2012 6:55:55 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: tobyhill
I'm one of the fortunate ones -- I had power back in only two days. Most of my family is still without power almost a week later. I keep reminding my frustrated mother: "Mom, you have to understand the magnitude of the damage that was done here. Power crews are doing complicated work under dangerous circumstances; they're only human beings and can't work 24 hours around the clock. Be patient, the power WILL come back."

The fuel situation is another story:
1. I'm kind of surprised that the gas stations wouldn't have backup electric systems to run the pumps, at least for a day or two. I suspect some of them -- the larger chains, anyway; Lukoil, Sunoco, Getty, Shell, etc. -- may implement backup plans after this.
2. The anger needs to be directed at government. Who knew there were so many restrictions in place to prevent the easy transportation and sale of fuel? This is the "gift" of the environmental whackos. I notice that I haven't heard even one Northeast liberal complain about the "evils of Big Oil" for the last week.

20 posted on 11/03/2012 6:59:00 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Paladin2

Sandy: category 1
Katrina: category 5


21 posted on 11/03/2012 7:02:10 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: jonno

Sorry - should done my homework better. Katrina was down to a category 3 by the time it made land...


22 posted on 11/03/2012 7:04:12 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: jonno

The Saffir-Simpson scale has flaws. You can’t just look at windspeed for the potential severity of a storm.


23 posted on 11/03/2012 7:17:52 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: jonno

Katrina had Cat 5 surge.


24 posted on 11/03/2012 7:19:08 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Gas Stations are kinda like a franchise,if the owener dont want to install a gen its his call.


25 posted on 11/03/2012 7:22:46 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: tobyhill

Bump


26 posted on 11/03/2012 7:26:12 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: t1b8zs
Gas Stations are kinda like a franchise,if the owener dont want to install a gen its his call.

Also hard to pass along the cost of a generator to the customers when you only make a few pennies per gallon.

27 posted on 11/03/2012 7:44:13 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: t1b8zs

Yes, I understand that. But I presume that the franchising parent company wants the station to stay in business, yes? Now that this storm has exposed a flaw in their ability to sell fuel, I think that the franchiser and franchisees may work together to come up with a backup power solution. Because there will always be another storm at some point.


28 posted on 11/03/2012 7:49:03 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: dirtboy; jonno

This was more than just a hurricane. It was a hurricane merging with a nor’easter. Those outside the northeastern states may not be familiar with this kind of storm — think of it as kind of a “reverse hurricane.” Instead of bringing tropical moisture and pressure system coming from the southeast, it’s North Atlantic moisture, Arctic air masses, and a rotation from the northeast. We have to deal with these storms every year — some severe, some not so bad — although they usually don’t start so early in the year. These two systems collided and combined with a cold air front coming down from Canada. Sandy was rather a unique storm from a meteorological POV.


29 posted on 11/03/2012 7:54:54 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Peter W. Kessler

There is no power on the entire Rockaway Peninsula. Word is they’ll be bringing in ‘voting trucks’ on Tuesday.


30 posted on 11/03/2012 8:25:54 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: jonno

Yes, but the storm surge was cat 5. That is what did the most horrific damage.


31 posted on 11/03/2012 8:38:50 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: NewJerseyJoe
And then, in the Rockaways, there were the fires in Breezy Point

Belle Harbor

and Rockaway Park

And I thought the nor’easter that hit in December 1992 was bad . . .

32 posted on 11/03/2012 8:40:52 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Lockbox

À 10,000 kw generator costs no more than $1200. More than enough to run multiple pumps, lights, office etc.


33 posted on 11/03/2012 8:42:29 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: t1b8zs

Back in 1968 and or 1969 people in Northeastern South Carolina and surrounding areas were without power in some cases for MONTHS following an ice storm. The plant where I worked shut down for a week and the initial effort was all geared toward getting people back to work. Some of those out in the country simply went back to living like their grandparents had lived. Those in the towns were worse off. One vice president of the company I worked for had to pack up his family and go to another state for weeks. It has been more than forty years and there has not been another ice storm approaching what we had those two years. The second one was the worst, it wrecked so many huge oak trees that it was months before we stopped hearing chain saws literally around the clock. When the ice melted from the roads you could drive for many miles and not see a single utility pole still standing.


34 posted on 11/03/2012 9:06:54 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Free healthcare is worth FAR LESS than it costs.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

With the old pumps forty years ago it was possible to open the housing and run a v-belt from a small gasoline engine to a pulley on the pump and pump gasoline. With the new pumps that is probably not possible.


35 posted on 11/03/2012 9:09:28 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Free healthcare is worth FAR LESS than it costs.)
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To: tobyhill

Five days is nothing. Just saying. I’ve been without power for two weeks due to an ice storm. I doubt anybody is dawdling given all the attention the problem is getting. It takes time to repair extensive damage to power lines, poles and transformers. There is no getting around that.


36 posted on 11/03/2012 9:15:44 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Romulus

that’s a great price, should buy one......


37 posted on 11/03/2012 10:24:10 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: Lockbox

Don’t buy more kw than you really need because keeping enough gas on hand is a major challenge, esp. if you have air conditioners to run. Yankees have it far easier this way.


38 posted on 11/03/2012 10:45:58 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Colofornian

             

39 posted on 11/03/2012 10:49:20 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: bert
When the earth quake desrtoys large sections of the state, the wind and solar arrays will provide power not dependent on the roads and transport system


             


Thanks, needed that !

40 posted on 11/03/2012 10:51:07 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: lowbridge

Is there not a HUGE Muslim population in New Jersey? Surely those who prefer the 12th century can`t complain about lack of power and other perks of modern civilization. Nor should the liberal `greenies`. Now they can enjoy the primitive lives they glorify. Awww ...as someone who faces thes conditions EVERY year,and who has suffered through Betsy,Camille,Andrew,Katrina and Issac(8 days no power 100 deg apt) I find it hard to pity people in 50degrees who can`t take a tropical storm in the wealthiest part of the country.


41 posted on 11/03/2012 11:37:58 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: WashingtonSource

So, is Staten Island being ignored by the recovery effort because they are a republican bastion?


42 posted on 11/03/2012 6:01:25 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: Real Cynic No More

It’s hard to tell. I think it’s mostly GROSS incompetence on the part of Governor Cuomo and Mayor Doomberg.


43 posted on 11/04/2012 6:15:32 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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