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Flood of tears: Bodies of SI boys found after being swept away by Sandy
NY Post ^ | November 2, 2012 | DOUG AUER, JESSICA SIMEONE and LEONARD GREENE

Posted on 11/02/2012 1:51:17 PM PDT by NYer

The nightmare that began when raging storm waters ripped two little Staten Island boys from their mother’s arms reached its tragic conclusion yesterday when their bodies were found in marshlands close to where they disappeared.

Glenda Moore wailed uncontrollably after cops showed up at her Great Kills home yesterday and delivered the grim news.

The short lives of Brandon, 2, and Connor, 4, ended in murky water, under debris and trees toppled by the storm. They were found about 20 yards apart at around 10 a.m. by cops in wet suits using shovels and pitchforks to clear the thick brush.

“It’s a shock for everybody right now,” a family friend said outside the Brooklyn home where Moore retreated to the comfort of family members. “She’s in pain.”

Moore and her husband, Damien — a city sanitation worker who had been in Brooklyn during the hurricane — stopped at a funeral home to make arrangements for the boys, described by a friend as “the joy of their lives.’’

Brandon and Connor were separated from their mother on Monday night as she frantically tried to lead them to safety, away from raging floodwaters brought by Hurricane Sandy.

“Terrible, absolutely terrible,” Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said. “It compounds all the tragic aspects of this horrific event.”

Moore’s Ford Explorer had gotten stuck when she was separated from her boys, police said.

Officials said Moore became frightened when the storm hit, and she rushed out of the house en route to her mother’s home in Brooklyn.

But the SUV, which she packed with a diaper bag, Halloween costumes and decorations, stalled along Father Capodanno Boulevard as the street began to flood.

After calling her husband, Moore grabbed Brandon and Connor and fled the SUV, but rising water caused her to lose her grip as the boys drifted helplessly out of her reach.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: duediligence; heedwarnings; hurricanesandydeaths; responsibility; sandystatenisland; statenisland
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STOLEN AWAY: Brandon, 2, and Connor, 4, were washed away with their mom’s SUV during the storm. They were found in marshland nearby.
1 posted on 11/02/2012 1:51:20 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
She should have evacuated earlier but, if she stayed that long into it, then the only choice was to hunker down and ride it out, get up high and dry and wait it out.
2 posted on 11/02/2012 1:57:47 PM PDT by nomad
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To: NYer
Heartbreaking. Those poor little guys.

Such a tragic and bizarre story.

3 posted on 11/02/2012 1:59:18 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: NYer

“Cops said Moore banged on the doors of nearby houses, desperately seeking help. But the people who answered turned her away”

Who the f*** would turn away a mother and children!!!!!!!!!!

I hope they are outed and made public.

What horror.


4 posted on 11/02/2012 2:04:06 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: NYer

I don’t like what they are trying to do with this story. They’re trying to absolve the mother and shift blame onto a guy who refused her entry. One reporter really went after the guy on one of the television networks.

She didn’t have the boys with her. She had abandoned them in some very deep waters, and supposedly told them hold onto some tree roots while she looked for a place to take them. At least that’s her story.

They showed the area. I don’t honestly know how the man or the mother could have saved those kids.

What the hell is wrong with a woman who fails to listen to the warnings, then puts her children in that situation?

Those poor kids deserved better.


5 posted on 11/02/2012 2:05:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Resident NBC NRD N3pmCs HCR / no birth C / no req docs / no 3pm calls / he can read)
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To: nomad
Given what happened to Great Kills, I understand the impulse to panic and try to drive away.

What confuses me is that she drove south toward the ocean to take a backroad path with lots of stoplights to the Verrazano Bridge, instead of driving north into higher ground onto the SI Expressway. Same distance.

Either way, the Verrazano was closed and had been closed for hours.

The most charitable explanation was that she acted from sheer, crazed panic.

6 posted on 11/02/2012 2:07:05 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Those poor kids must have been absolutely terrified in the end.

Their lives cut short by just pure selfishness. What a country we’e fallen to.


7 posted on 11/02/2012 2:09:38 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Names Ash Housewares

She didn’t have the boys with her when she knocked on those doors. The storm was at full blast, and the boys were left in deep water to cling to some tree roots according to the mom.

The only person responsible here, is a woman who failed to take any precautions whatsoever, lost her children, and is now trying to blame it all on someone else.

I don’t think the man was obligated to forfeit his life because this woman failed her duty as a mother. And to save those boys, he would have had to do just that.

I’m sorry the boys were lost, but mom really screwed up.


8 posted on 11/02/2012 2:10:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Resident NBC NRD N3pmCs HCR / no birth C / no req docs / no 3pm calls / he can read)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Anderson Cooper’s reporter showed the guy. Cranky bastard didn’t want to be bothered to help anyone. Said he broke no law but cops were pissed. Sad story and tells what life in post Christian America is like.


9 posted on 11/02/2012 2:10:22 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Names Ash Housewares
There is a lot more to this story, NAH.

The mother and her family have given the media at least four separate versions of the events from what I have seen.

In only one version is it claimed she had her children with her.

In most versions, the children had already been swept away in the storm and she was trying to convince a stranger in a flooding house to abandon their own family and swim out to find her children in the flood.

This story needs further inquiry, to put it mildly.

10 posted on 11/02/2012 2:11:08 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: NYer

I understand the bodies of these poor kids were found right near where the NYC Marathon will start on Sun. So much for all that libtalk about sensitivity.


11 posted on 11/02/2012 2:12:33 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: TigerClaws
Cranky bastard didn’t want to be bothered to help anyone.

His story is not that someone knocked at his front door asking to be let in, but that someone tried to break into his house through his back door.

Here's an insight: he's not the only person on Staten Island feeling cranky today.

Nerves are frayed beyond the breaking point.

12 posted on 11/02/2012 2:20:25 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Impala64ssa

Marathon was just canceled.


13 posted on 11/02/2012 2:23:36 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Impala64ssa

Marathon was just canceled.


14 posted on 11/02/2012 2:24:24 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: NYer

And this is just one story. And how do the liberals respond? With elitism as usual. The NYC marathon must go on, and let’s use giant generators for the media while millions are still without power.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/this_is_no_way_to_get_us_up_running_egrMk4ukpzFCGhSF8oM5kN

And if that ain’t a hoot, my pop is a retired cop who just got a message to volunteer. To help the displaced families? Of course not. They want him to volunteer for the NYC marathon! Let’s just ignore what happened as we do not want the election ruined for The One. Move it along, nothing has happened here.


15 posted on 11/02/2012 2:26:07 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: NYer
Mom decided to drive along a street directly next to the bay. In a hurricane.

If she had gone inland just a few blocks, she would have been above the storm surge.

16 posted on 11/02/2012 2:27:21 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: DoughtyOne

What a tragic outcome. Perhaps one day we’ll find out what really happened but that’s the third variation of this story I’ve seen, and there may be more.


17 posted on 11/02/2012 2:29:19 PM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: NYer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWXNm9b6pKs&feature=related .. There Must Be A Reason For It All ... My Faith Says The Little Ones Are With Jesus.


18 posted on 11/02/2012 2:30:01 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: wideawake
In only one version is it claimed she had her children with her. In most versions, the children had already been swept away in the storm and she was trying to convince a stranger in a flooding house to abandon their own family and swim out to find her children in the flood. This story needs further inquiry, to put it mildly.

Her actions were so stupid, it falls into the category of suspicious.

And, I'm sorry, but in these days if a black woman comes banging on my door yelling to be let in, I would be hesitant regardless of the weather. Too many home invasions begin this way.

19 posted on 11/02/2012 2:31:40 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: NYer
Tragic that these little guys had to die and the mother will suffer with massive guilt for the rest of her life. Every parent who loses a child thinks that they are to blame whether they are or not, but she has no one to blame but herself.
20 posted on 11/02/2012 2:33:22 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: TigerClaws

If you saw that, then you also saw the tree roots the mom said she left her kids clinging to. I saw the report myself. The tree roots were about six feet above the ground. The whole area around that massive toppled tree, was deep. Essentially, they were sticking up out of what had become part of the ocean by that point.

This man would have had to go outside in 70-90MPH winds, and swim into deep water to help her get those kids. And this is only if they were still clinging to the roots about 100 feet from his home.

Mom ignored warnings. She didn’t evacuate. She drove her car into what was by then the ocean. And here we are going after a guy who already has a full plate with his own family.

No sale.


21 posted on 11/02/2012 2:34:57 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Resident NBC NRD N3pmCs HCR / no birth C / no req docs / no 3pm calls / he can read)
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To: ken in texas

This was how CNN explained it.

In truth, none of them should have been out there.


22 posted on 11/02/2012 2:38:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Resident NBC NRD N3pmCs HCR / no birth C / no req docs / no 3pm calls / he can read)
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To: VanDeKoik; DoughtyOne
Those poor kids must have been absolutely terrified in the end.

Were I to have to live with this - losing both (all) my kids - I'm not sure I could do it.

I'm guessing the woman could not swim. Otherwise I can't imagine not going after them - even were it to my own demise...

23 posted on 11/02/2012 2:39:33 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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You should have seen the vehicle. It had evidently been washed off the roadway into a field that was very uneven. The rubber on the front right was missing. Concrete, and rubbish littered the place. Much of the field appeared to be as much as ten feet below the street level. The big tree was in the middle of the lot, it was laying on it’s side, and it’s root structure went up about six feet from the ground. This was obviously full of water the other day. She told authorities she escaped the car, swam to the tree, and left the kids clinging there to go get help.

You tell me if little kids can battle the water and hold on in 70-90MPH winds and waves. Hypothermia would get to them in short order. Heck, she’s lucky to be alive.

She told authorities she swam to the man’s home, knocked on the front door, and tried to break into the back with a brick.


24 posted on 11/02/2012 2:46:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Resident NBC NRD N3pmCs HCR / no birth C / no req docs / no 3pm calls / he can read)
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To: DoughtyOne

No, she knocked on his front door.

Some people aren’t used to hurricanes or do assume it won’t be that bad. Yes, that’s her fault for not taking precautions and even driving in the middle of a bad storm.

Someone fighting for their life and that of their two small children knocks on your front door and you turn them away?

God have mercy on his soul.

If you don’t live in an area effected by hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, or any natural disaster, lucky for you. Try having a little compassion for those that do.


25 posted on 11/02/2012 3:12:05 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

“Someone fighting for their life and that of their two small children knocks on your front door and you turn them away?

God have mercy on his soul.”

OK, let me get this straight, some crazy black woman tries to break into my house during a hurricane then comes up with some story about her kids being in trouble and I’m supposed to believe her? How do I know that she’s telling the truth and what am I supposed to do? Leave my home open to looting while I go and get myself killed trying to save some kids that I’m not sure even exist while she does what? Sit in my home drinking hot chocolate?

There’s been plenty of cases of good Samaritans either being robbed because it was a scam or even worse getting themselves killed trying to do a rescue that they have neither the ability, training or supported needed to actually do anything other than die in the futile attempt.

Also, where was the father(s) in all this? why were these kids left in the care of someone that obviously was not competent to even take care of herself let alone a couple of kids.

I don’t blame the guy given the circumstances I probably would have done the same thing. If it had been a neighbor or someone I knew and cared about then yes but there are times that you just have to let people suffer the consequences of their own poor choices and this looks to be one of those times.


26 posted on 11/02/2012 3:55:09 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: TigerClaws
No, she knocked on his front door.  The reporter stated that she also admitted to going around and trying to break in the back.

Some people aren’t used to hurricanes or do assume it won’t be that bad. Yes, that’s her fault for not taking precautions and even driving in the middle of a bad storm.  Okay, I appreciate you trying to be even handed by assessing some blame to her.  I still have to judge that it goes beyond that.  She was responsible for those two kids.  If there was any possible chance they might get caught in a terible situation, it was her duty to avoid it at all cost.  I don't think you can make a rather casual comment that, "Okay, she screwed up, but it was his fault."  And that is seemingly where you're headed here.

Someone fighting for their life and that of their two small children knocks on your front door and you turn them away?  This hurricane was at it's zenith, and this guy didn't know how much worse it was going to get.  Does he drop his family and immediately adopt her's, ignoring the safety of his own family?  This guy had no assurance his own home would be safe more than a few minutes longer.  Where's his duty to his own?  He doesn't have any?  I think you know better than that.

God have mercy on his soul.  I hope God has mercy on all their souls.  That mom is going to need it, because in the end, she cost those two kids their lives.  The man did not.

If you don’t live in an area effected by hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, or any natural disaster, lucky for you. Try having a little compassion for those that do.
  Having compassion is not the same as shifting blame away from people if they ignore warnings and get themselves and their children in so much trouble that not they or anyone one else can get them out of it.

That guy shown on the camera was skin and bones.  He wasn't some burly herculean spicimen.  He would have had to go out in hurricane force winds, swim out in very cold water, and fight the elements to rescue kids that may not have even been still holding on by the time the mother went to the front door.  We would all like to make decisions for this guy, but we don't know the total picture.  He almost looked like he had been suffering from an illness.  We have to assume to much, to convict this guy.  Perhaps you would have taken a different approach.  Does that mean that you would have to have been evil if you hadn't?  I don't think so.
27 posted on 11/02/2012 4:09:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Resident NBC NRD N3pmCs HCR / no birth C / no req docs / no 3pm calls / he can read)
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To: trapped_in_LA

What about a crazy white woman? Would you have let her in? Yes, lots of single women go looting during the height of a hurricane.


28 posted on 11/02/2012 4:36:23 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45

“What about a crazy white woman? Would you have let her in?”

I may have considered letting in a crazy Asian woman, but that would have probably been my wife. Other than that probably not, any one trying to break into my home is assumed to be of poor character and not deserving of hospitality, even during a storm. And yes, during Katerina there were tons of single women looters and during the Rodney King Riots here in LA there were again tons of single women looters. Get a clue, women behave badly just like men do.


29 posted on 11/02/2012 4:53:50 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: DoughtyOne

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/01/tonight-on-ac360-bodies-of-missing-boys-found-mothers-plea-for-help-when-sandy-hit-rejected/?hpt=ac_bn5

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/01/two-sons-ripped-from-mothers-arms-in-storm/?hpt=ac_bn3

If someone refuses to open a door to a mother and two small children in a matter of life and death, that person is a cold hearted bastard.

If you think that’s appropriate human behavior, may God have mercy on your lost soul.


30 posted on 11/02/2012 5:14:34 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws
If someone refuses to open a door to a mother and two small children in a matter of life and death, that person is a cold hearted bastard.

The children were not with the mother when she went to the door. Further, the man inside thought he was talking to a man outside. Further, that person outside tried to break in through the back door.

Hell no I wouldn't open the door. If my family was inside, my concern would be for them. PERIOD!

Now, may God have mercy on people who lie about women and children showing up at doors, when they haven't.

31 posted on 11/02/2012 5:19:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Resident NBC NRD N3pmCs HCR / no birth C / no req docs / no 3pm calls / he can read)
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To: NYer
STOLEN AWAY:

No, they lost their lives due to their parents disregard of the warnings of a FRANKENSTORM! What were these people thinking? Not the welfare of their children obviously!

32 posted on 11/02/2012 5:22:47 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (Trained by English Setters)
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To: NYer

Sad, sad, sad ...


33 posted on 11/02/2012 5:23:28 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: wideawake

She lived a couple of doors down from a friend of mine in Great Kills. There is one large tree down on the block and no electricity. She made a tragic mistake leaving her home which was a good 50’ above the storm surge.

That said, an elderly couple died less than 1/4 mile from her home down by the water. I was down there the morning after and it looks like a bomb hit along the water.


34 posted on 11/02/2012 5:51:45 PM PDT by Woodman
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To: trapped_in_LA

DURING the hurricane??? Breaking into homes at the height of a killer storm? Please. Even if they took anything, where would they go??? Any self respecting looter waits till its over.


35 posted on 11/02/2012 6:53:37 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45

This woman was monumentally stupid and should be charged with something. What a complete idiot. She is not a victim. She is responsible for their deaths.


36 posted on 11/02/2012 7:55:26 PM PDT by PAR
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To: VanDeKoik
"Their lives cut short by just pure selfishness."

How so?

37 posted on 11/02/2012 9:42:20 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi. That says it all.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Excellent, thoughtful posts D-1!


38 posted on 11/02/2012 9:48:22 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: NYer

Prayers for this family.


39 posted on 11/02/2012 9:57:20 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cyn

Parent not taking the warnings seriously.

Neighbors not opening their homes in an emergency to a desperate mom and her children.


40 posted on 11/02/2012 11:31:01 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: NYer

Sorry, I dont believe a word of her story.


41 posted on 11/02/2012 11:39:14 PM PDT by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: VanDeKoik

It was a tough storm that, despite dire warnings early on to BE PREPARED still took people by surprise. This family got caught, and the woman made not just one, but a whole series of mistakes, considering other posts from the area. She paid a high price. I cannot fault the home owners, however.

My thoughts and prayers are with all those suffering up there.


42 posted on 11/03/2012 12:27:33 AM PDT by cyn (Benghazi. That says it all.)
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To: beaversmom

Thank you BeaversMom.


43 posted on 11/03/2012 1:04:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Resident NBC NRD N3pmCs HCR / no birth C / no req docs / no 3pm calls / he can read)
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To: NYer
Having never been thru the horror that she has, I'm in no position to cast my judgment on this poor woman. She has lost her two children and the only words that should be spoken are words of prayer.......

I never cease to be amazed at the callousness of many alleged Christians on this site.

44 posted on 11/03/2012 4:50:39 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco
>>I never cease to be amazed at the callousness of many alleged Christians on this site. <<

You are being kind.... they are hypocrites.

45 posted on 11/03/2012 4:56:53 AM PDT by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: Daffynition

Nobody does high dudgeon over imperfection in Christians better than the irreligious, too, even on FR. It’s a dysfunctional dance. A small number of all-too-human Christians failing to behave in a Christian manner, and nobelievers tut-tutting theatrically over it, presumably for validation of themselves but there’s also an element of attempted discrediting, I’ve come to understand after almost eight years here.

It takes all kinds, and not every screen name actually is what that individual purports to be online. And, nobody’s perfect.


46 posted on 11/03/2012 5:07:19 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: cyn; Hot Tabasco; Daffynition; NYer
It was a tough storm that, despite dire warnings early on to BE PREPARED still took people by surprise. This family got caught, and the woman made not just one, but a whole series of mistakes, considering other posts from the area. She paid a high price. I cannot fault the home owners, however.

There were many warnings about the potential of this storm but if this woman would have followed some of the posts here, the day before Sandy hit, she might have been under the impression it was all nothing but hype and a lie and wasn’t going to be anything more that a stiff breeze and a little rain, a vast conspiracy to distract us from Benghazi all orchestrated by Obama with every weather forecaster taking their marching orders to make the storm out to be bigger and worse than it was. < : (

To be honest, a lot of people were not prepared in this part of the country because this was a very unusual event, something most people in the NE have never seen or experienced in their lifetimes. The warnings of storm surge and flooding, hurricane force winds; sadly a lot didn’t either really understand what that really meant; “that’s something that happens in the Gulf Coast or in Florida, that just doesn’t happen here, I don’t live right on the beach so I don’t need to worry” or given the forecasts that have been wrong in the past, probably did think it wouldn’t be all that bad.

I never cease to be amazed at the callousness of many alleged Christians on this site…..You are being kind.... they are hypocrites.

Agreed. Sometimes people in a sudden life or death situation, in hindsight do, some really incredibly stupid things. But it’s not because they are callous, selfish or stupid, but because they simply panic. My heart goes out to this family, even if she acted stupidly, that doesn't mitigate or minimize the loss of two beautiful innocent childre. And if I’d been that home owner who turned her away, I don’t know how I’d feel. Given the situation, I can’t say I blame him but in hindsight, I’d probably be wishing I’d have done something.

There were a number of people here in PA last year during the flooding after Irene/Lee that got stuck or their cars washed away while trying to cross flooded roadways and there were several deaths. No matter how often the police say, “Do not attempt to cross a flooded road”, a number of people look at it and think; “It doesn’t look all that deep, I can get across it” not understanding the tremendous force of fast moving water.

47 posted on 11/03/2012 5:43:00 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: PapaBear3625

“Suspicious” is a word that floated across my mind too. Very strange behavior.


48 posted on 11/03/2012 5:59:09 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: VanDeKoik; Hot Tabasco

She had already abandoned her kids and was alone when she tried to break into the guy’s house. If she had been trying to break into my house, in the middle of a storm when no 911 response w as available, then I would probably shot her dead.


49 posted on 11/03/2012 6:04:59 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: SauronOfMordor
She had already abandoned her kids

I asked for prayers for the lady, not criticism of her decisions, whatever they may have been.

If you can't offer that little bit of compassion then respond to someone else

My one prayer is that this lady never gets to read the comments on this thread.........

50 posted on 11/03/2012 6:43:07 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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