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U.S. officials: CIA ran Benghazi consulate
UPI ^ | November 2, 2012 | UPI

Posted on 11/02/2012 12:25:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

WASHINGTON, Nov. 2 (UPI) -- The CIA was the real commanding agency at the attacked U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, not the State Department, senior U.S. intelligence officials said....

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Of the more than 30 U.S. officials evacuated from Benghazi, only seven worked for the State Department, officials briefed on the intelligence told The Wall Street Journal. Nearly all the rest worked for the CIA, under diplomatic cover, which was a principal purpose of the consulate, the Journal said.

Most public criticism for consulate security lapses has so far been directed at the State Department, not the CIA. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said last month she took responsibility for what happened.

The new information does not address the Obama administration's various depictions of whether the assault was a protest that turned violent or a planned terrorist attack. But the officials reiterated early intelligence was patchy and often contradictory. They said talking points for members of Congress and senior administration officials did not at first discuss possible links between the attackers and al-Qaida because the information was classified.

"It wasn't until after the points were used in public that people reconciled contradictory information and assessed there probably wasn't a protest around the time of the attack," a senior U.S. intelligence official said in a statement.

Congressional investigators say it appears the CIA and State Department weren't on the same page about their respective security roles at the consulate, which the Journal said raised questions about whether the Benghazi security arrangement was flawed.

(Excerpt) Read more at upi.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benghazi; cia; democrat; democrats; murders; obama; statedepartment

1 posted on 11/02/2012 12:25:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This would be laughable if there weren’t dead Americans involved.


2 posted on 11/02/2012 12:29:27 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Knowing that this was a CIA operation makes some of the comments about “lack of real-time intelligence” much more understandable. The attack might have been an organized military attack rather than “just” a terrorist strike.


3 posted on 11/02/2012 12:32:42 AM PDT by TennesseeProfessor
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If the CIA was totally responsible for the consulate, why did the ambassador have to beg the State Dept. for more security?


4 posted on 11/02/2012 12:33:01 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

FUBAR


5 posted on 11/02/2012 12:35:12 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The cover-up is as heinous as the crime.


6 posted on 11/02/2012 12:37:01 AM PDT by KansasCanadian (The president of the United States actually has to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Doesnt change the fact that our "commander in chief" failed to make a serious attempt to intervene to save them during the lengthy attack. The Ambassador was indeed knowingly "left behind" by Obummer.

It is widely known that CIA operatives can pose as State Dept. staff... Nothing new in that.

7 posted on 11/02/2012 12:38:36 AM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Way to go Bammy administration.

This has got to be the largest collection of sycophantic dumbasses I've ever seen assembled in one place.

8 posted on 11/02/2012 12:39:51 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (People will vote for Obama to replace a god that they don't believe in)
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To: All
............They said talking points for members of Congress and senior administration officials did not at first discuss possible links between the attackers and al-Qaida because the information was classified.

So they repeatedly and determinedly blamed it on an obscure YouTube video trailer??? This smells more and more with each passing day.

9 posted on 11/02/2012 12:42:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Anybody got any Juicy Fruit?


10 posted on 11/02/2012 12:42:32 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

OK. So what? Why were all of the security briefs and requests submitted to the State Dept.?


11 posted on 11/02/2012 12:45:21 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

How much more OBVIOUS does it have to be that the Obama Administration is covering something HUGE up?

How long can they keep those digging to learn the truth, running around in circles?


12 posted on 11/02/2012 12:50:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Harry Truman: The buck stops here.

Obama: Who, me?


13 posted on 11/02/2012 12:50:52 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m beginning to think that 40% of the American people and 90% of the press wouldn’t see it if 0coward, Hillbilly, Panetta and all the rest had a big red ‘G’ for guilty tattoed on their foreheads.


14 posted on 11/02/2012 12:53:01 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

Only 90% of the press wouldn’t notice? I would say it is more like 98%.


15 posted on 11/02/2012 12:56:26 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: TigersEye; All

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204712904578092853621061838.html


16 posted on 11/02/2012 1:02:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The ‘CIA is at fault’ line isn’t going to fly.


17 posted on 11/02/2012 1:07:57 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

fter 8 WEEKS, this is just now coming out?? There is SO DAMN MUCH that we don’t know.....and wil NEVER know because the DEMS are covering up.


18 posted on 11/02/2012 1:09:58 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Baing a dumb-ass myself it looks to me as if Obama is trying to use a de facto CIA operation as an excuse for letting these people be murdered.

If it’s the CIA and not State he thinks he can just wsh his hands on the whole deal.

Problem is lies , lies, and more lies. More incompetence from the most incompetent person to ever sit in the White House.

The only thing Obama knows how to do is protect his past, and perhaps one day even that will come out.I will say that the Media , and the Congress and even the Supreme court are just as guilty in this vetting process as Obama is.
They never asked the questions before an they still don’t.


19 posted on 11/02/2012 1:11:04 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It looks like the Benghazi “consulate” was a CIA mission, and that is why all the information concerning this attack is a huge clusterfrack.

It looks like the White House, CIA and Foggy Bottom are covering their backsides for reasons that they don’t want the public to know.

It might also explain the liberal media blackout.

Whatever they are trying to cover up, it is either to protect national security assets or their own incompetence, or both.


20 posted on 11/02/2012 1:13:50 AM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This is an attempt to diffuse the damage by extending it over multiple agencies over an extended period of time and nothing more.

Eventually, Leon Panetta will blame Ham or some other flag officer for the inaction, although he will say "I take full responsibility" adding another layer to absorb more damage.

The apex (or nadir) of this pyramid ends in one place. "Who gave the order that my son had to die?"

21 posted on 11/02/2012 1:18:00 AM PDT by FredZarguna (The Ex-SEAL Dad has asked the one important question: "Who gave the order that my son had to die?")
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To: Venturer; All

I don’t know if you’ve read the entire WSJ article linked in Post #16.

Do if you haven’t.


22 posted on 11/02/2012 1:19:35 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: FredZarguna

From the LINKED WSJ article (Post #16), it looks like Petraeus is being set up to be the scapegoat for this.

Will it fly? I don’t think so.


23 posted on 11/02/2012 1:22:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All

If you can’t see the entire WSJ article, do this:

Type this headline, CIA Takes Heat for Role in Libya, into Google search and then CLICK on the 1st link to it.

That should take you around the firewall.


24 posted on 11/02/2012 1:27:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Having great difficulty believing this story.


25 posted on 11/02/2012 1:35:03 AM PDT by winkadink (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Some time ago I speculated that perhaps Mitt Romney has been briefed and as a result concluded that the patriotic thing to do is to refrain from making an issue of this affair. That in turn implies that something very mysterious was going on in this "consulate" or "facility" or CIA establishment, of whatever label, which should remain classified.

That in turn implies that the overall mission being undertaken was legitimate and one which advances legitimate national interests of the United States. Gunrunning to Syria and to questionable rebels of undefined jihadist sympathies in Syria hardly qualifies in my opinion, but who knows? In my view it is unlikely that there was a legitimate mission being pursued because if that had been the case the administration, with its propensity to leak anything politically expedient, would surely have told the world by now.

The mystery only deepens.


26 posted on 11/02/2012 1:38:41 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Nevadan

“If the CIA was totally responsible for the consulate, why did the ambassador have to beg the State Dept. for more security?” - Good question.


27 posted on 11/02/2012 1:43:52 AM PDT by Twinkie (REMEMBER BENGHAZI !!!!)
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To: Twinkie; Nevadan
“If the CIA was totally responsible for the consulate, why did the ambassador have to beg the State Dept. for more security?” - Good question.

From the WSJ article, CIA Takes Heat for Role in Libya, those at the Benghazi consulate believed that the CIA annex was their "cavalry" but the CIA contingent at the annex didn't know that.

Or so the story goes......

28 posted on 11/02/2012 1:55:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: nathanbedford
......The mystery only deepens.

Yes.

29 posted on 11/02/2012 1:57:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So we have Obama implicated in two illegal gun-running operations (Fast and Furious and Benghazi) and the MSM is turning its usual blind eye to these travesties. Had the media done its job of rooting out the truth in these failed illegalities involving the deaths of Americans, this President would have been run out of town on a rail long ago. How many more innocent Americans have to die before the MSM stops being complicit in these crimes?


30 posted on 11/02/2012 1:59:44 AM PDT by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
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To: Liberty Valance
Speaking of Billy carter:

1979 : (LIBYA, BILLY CARTER & JAMES ABOUREZK -- See keywords ADC/AADC/AAADC) [SD Democrat James] Abourezk had been present in Libya with Billy Carter to celebrate the 10th anniversary of Muammar Qaddafi’s reign in 1979, and the next year he had founded the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC), which allied with left-wing groups in providing legal support to advocates of Palestinian rights.80 ---- "Wilsongate: Motive, Means, and Opportunity," Original FReeper research | 11/21/2005 | Fedora

31 posted on 11/02/2012 2:04:15 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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ON THE INTERNET:


FOX NEWS.com: "SOURCES, EMAILS POINT TO COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN IN ORBAMA ADMINISTRATION DURING LIBYA ATTACK" by Jennifer Griffin (November 2, 2012) (Read More…)

MEMRI.org - Spech Dispatch No. 5034: "ARAB TV REPORT EXPOSES LAX SECURITY AT U.S. CONSULATE IN BENGHAZI PRIOR TO AMBASSADOR STEVEN'S ARRIVAL AND SECURITY BREACH PRIOR TO ATTACK -- REVEALED BY DOCUMENTS GATHERED AT CONSULATE FOLLOWING ATTACK" (November 1, 2012) (Read More…)
MEMRI.org - Video Clip no. 3629 Broadcast: November 1, 2012: "TV CHANNEL EXPOSES SECURITY BREACH AT U.S. BENGHAZI CONSULATE IN DOCUMENTS GATHERED FOLLOWING ATTACK" (November 1, 2012) (Watch Here)
News.INVESTORS.com - IBD Editorials: "CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE: BENGHAZI GAVE 1-MONTH WARNING" (November 1, 2012, 06:23 pm ET) (Read More…)

Link (Read More…)

Link [Post no. 37 & Post no. 38] (Read More…)

32 posted on 11/02/2012 2:18:26 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
They said talking points for members of Congress and senior administration officials did not at first discuss possible links between the attackers and al-Qaida because the information was classified.

Oh, that all makes sense now. That in a "Closed Session," members of Congress who are all supposed to be "cleared" for sensitive classified information and hold "OVERSIGHT" responsibility, now, are somehow, considered as NOT being "trustworthy" to have access to this information?

Makes sense to me. (major sarc)

So much bovine excrement....so little time!

Drip, drip, drip!

Just another attempt by this corrupt, Regime to obfuscate, dissemble, backtrack and muddy the waters hoping to run the clock out until next Tuesday.

This WILL turn out to be much more significant than Watergate and eventually, some heads will roll, but unfortunately, not in time to affect the outcome of the election...thanks to the sycophant, leftist, Lame Stream Media.

33 posted on 11/02/2012 2:24:41 AM PDT by neveralib
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Of the more than 30 U.S. officials evacuated from Benghazi, only seven worked for the State Department, officials briefed on the intelligence told The Wall Street Journal. Nearly all the rest worked for the CIA, under diplomatic cover, which was a principal purpose of the consulate, the Journal said.

This answers some questions and raises others.

If true, this would answer my and others' inquiry as to why these 30 or so personnel have disappeared off the face of the earth and no one has heard a peep about what happened to them or where they are.

That said, when I worked as a covert, military, intel agent I frequently interacted with CIA staff out of an embassy. Not only were we military personnel armed at all times, albeit, handguns (though we did have access to auto weapons in our own civilian compound) but so were the CIA staff.

These "agents" (and I have no reason to believe things have changed) were all "trained" and had gone thru rigorous courses prior to having been assigned overseas.

So why were these 23 or so CIA agents not armed as well and why (I would be surprised if this was not the case) did they not have auto weapons available to them in the Consulate with which to defend themselves.

Something does not compute and the more we learn, the less any of this makes sense.

34 posted on 11/02/2012 2:35:41 AM PDT by neveralib
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That’s an incredible article. Now, a big shell game being played by oblunder, hellery, and betrayus. All must go.

“The spy agency was the first to set up shop. It began building up its presence there soon after the Libyan revolution started in February 2011. The uprising overturned what had been a tight working relationship between the Gadhafi regime’s spy services and the Americans, creating a gap that the CIA presence sought to fill, officials said.

The CIA worked from a compound publicly referred to as the “annex,” which was given a State Department office name to disguise its purpose. The agency focused on countering proliferation and terrorist threats, said an American security contractor who has worked closely with CIA, the Pentagon and State. A main concern was the spread of weapons and militant influences throughout the region, including in Mali, Somalia and Syria, this person said.

Libyan officials say they were kept in the dark about what the CIA was doing in Benghazi. “The Americans had people coming and going with great frequency. Frankly, our records were never clear [about] who was out there” in Benghazi, said a senior Libyan government official in Tripoli.”


35 posted on 11/02/2012 2:38:44 AM PDT by gotribe (He's a mack-daddy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV415yit7Zg)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So, now it makes sense. oblunder had met with pancetta ahead of the attack and was trying to keep the CIA cover throughout this thing which is why he never approved military support. four dead and the cover is blown anyway.


36 posted on 11/02/2012 2:48:14 AM PDT by gotribe (He's a mack-daddy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV415yit7Zg)
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To: neveralib

None of this makes sense from any angle. The WH has changed its stories so many times and still not come up with a plausible one.

The consulate or post or whatever you want to call it served a variety of purposes and possibly the attackers themselves didn’t even realize the extent of it. They obviously knew that it was a vulnerable point, though, probably from earlier reconnaissance by locals who were employed there. So it is even more bizarre that it should have been so unguarded if it was, in fact, primarily a CIA facility.

I think this latest “information” from the WH is just an attempt to keep the old shell game going and hide the pea under yet another agency shell. Or perhaps the CIA has been chosen to be the definitive scapegoat in this; I think that Obama has never liked the agency and that he and Jarrett and Axelrod would be very happy to blame it to such an extent that he could claim a need to “reorganize” it (probably out of existence).

None of this addresses the fact that no matter what agency or entity it was, everybody knew that there were Americans under attack and fighting for their lives, and somebody made a decision not to help them.


37 posted on 11/02/2012 2:55:18 AM PDT by livius
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Alinskyites like Hillary and Obama hate the CIA and the U.S. military. Q.E.D.


38 posted on 11/02/2012 3:28:31 AM PDT by Best and Brightest (The American people want to know what Pres. Obama did to help our Seals and our Ambassador to Libya.)
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To: gotribe

One thing that has been forgotten on all this is that on that very same day, our seemingly lightly guarded embassy in Cairo was attacked and ended up with the black flag of Al Qaeda flying over it. And nobody is suggesting that the Cairo embassy was anything other than an embassy, probably with the same amount CIA involvement as any embassy.

I read one statement made early on that US facilities were kept lightly guarded to make it clear that we trusted our new friends in the Islamist - Er, I mean Arab Spring and to project an image of normalcy. This is similar to the policy in Afghanistan that send our troops out with supposedly trusty locals who turn around and blow them away, or the fact that our own troops are not allowed to carry weapons on some bases. I remember when Panetta visited, they were all disarmed.

So no matter what agency was involved, there is definitely a policy in place universally that keeps our facilities vulnerable, and it is all the result of Obama’s desire to suck up to the Islamists and blame America first.

Even the explanation that the CIA “responded” at the Benghazi compound within 25 minutes is ridiculous: the CIA is not the military and was clearly under equipped to deal with this. The fact that the terrorists (because AQ is classified as a terrorist group and thus this was a terrorist attack, semantics aside) started their attack, as I recall, by bombing the consulate wall so they could get I should certainly have given them a hint that this was something that needed a forceful response.

So Obama &Co. can blame any agency they want, but it is still clear that they had a policy of not defending American interests.


39 posted on 11/02/2012 3:30:29 AM PDT by livius
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Regardless of CIA, State Department, whomever there is one person responsible for this mess, and this article is just another ingredient tossed in for the purpose of obscuring focus on that fact. Obama is the POTUS, the Commander in Chief of the military, and all associated departments, divisions, etc involved with the fiasco.

Don’t let the bastards divert attention from the fact Obama is da man.


40 posted on 11/02/2012 3:55:34 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Congressional investigators say it appears the CIA and State Department weren’t on the same page about their respective security roles at the consulate, which the Journal said raised questions about whether the Benghazi security arrangement was flawed.”

Ya think??


41 posted on 11/02/2012 3:57:06 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Twinkie; Nevadan

““If the CIA was totally responsible for the consulate, why did the ambassador have to beg the State Dept. for more security?” - Good question.”

From the WSJ article, CIA Takes Heat for Role in Libya, those at the Benghazi consulate believed that the CIA annex was their “cavalry” but the CIA contingent at the annex didn’t know that.”

“Or so the story goes......”

Chain of Command. It would have been inappropriate for the Ambassador to address anybody other than HIS immediate boss, or an authorized by Hillary State Dept. individual.


42 posted on 11/02/2012 4:05:06 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

bookmarking for further review


43 posted on 11/02/2012 4:59:02 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The amount of concocted and bizarre disinformation coming out is amazing. IMO, the purpose of a dozen different stories is to befuddle the congressional hearings and hide the truth.

This is a major cover-up with very important people behind it.


44 posted on 11/02/2012 5:59:14 AM PDT by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This was a very dumb next move and original move on this administration's part. You do not play with the CIA, but I guess they already on a massive scale if the people there were all CIA.

They left 27 CIA agents hung out to be kidnapped or killed. Think that one through because the CIA and its agents are.

45 posted on 11/02/2012 6:28:58 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: nathanbedford

I think we are looking at this backwards.

Let’s start with the fact that the so-called “annex” (which was not an annex of anything) was eventually reduced by precise mortar fire. Therefore, these mortars were placed, and the range and trajectory calculated, in the daytime (long before the attack on the “consulate” started).

Then, take the confusing nature of the forces attacking the “consulate” compared with the synchronized and methodical reduction of the “annex” later in the night.

I think the assault at the “consulate” was a feint, a diversion to pull security away from the “annex” (which is what happened). Stevens’ death was an accident, collateral damage once an unexpectedly intense firefight broke out, caused by the presence of an effective defense.

Eventually, the real attack on the “annex” began, and continued until it was reduced and the contents of the building referred to as the “warehouse” were removed - which was the point of the exercise.

Lastly, I wish intelligent conservatives would stop calling this a “terrorist” attack. It was nothing of the sort. It was a precise, organized, multi-company military operation, with centralized command and control, which succeeded both tactically and strategically.

My best guess about the lack of response is 1/3 fog of war, 1/3 cowardice, and 1/3 incompetence.


46 posted on 11/02/2012 6:43:38 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: neveralib

re: If true, this would answer my and others’ inquiry as to why these 30 or so personnel have disappeared off the face of the earth and no one has heard a peep about what happened to them or where they are.

Good question!


47 posted on 11/02/2012 7:40:06 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: Nevadan

If the CIA was totally responsible for the consulate, why did the ambassador have to beg the State Dept. for more security?


It was not a consulate, at best it was a diplomatic mission which is not legally US sovereign territory. Perhaps Iran/Syria proxies took out this operation which reportedly was recycling Libyan arms to the Syrian rebels. Which means Iran/Syria have committed acts of aggression against the United States.

What say you Barry Obama?


48 posted on 11/02/2012 10:52:09 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Jim Noble

Dittos

Needs to be repeated

****** “I think we are looking at this backwards.

Let’s start with the fact that the so-called “annex” (which was not an annex of anything) was eventually reduced by precise mortar fire. Therefore, these mortars were placed, and the range and trajectory calculated, in the daytime (long before the attack on the “consulate” started).

Then, take the confusing nature of the forces attacking the “consulate” compared with the synchronized and methodical reduction of the “annex” later in the night.

I think the assault at the “consulate” was a feint, a diversion to pull security away from the “annex” (which is what happened). Stevens’ death was an accident, collateral damage once an unexpectedly intense firefight broke out, caused by the presence of an effective defense.

Eventually, the real attack on the “annex” began, and continued until it was reduced and the contents of the building referred to as the “warehouse” were removed - which was the point of the exercise.

Lastly, I wish intelligent conservatives would stop calling this a “terrorist” attack. It was nothing of the sort. It was a precise, organized, multi-company military operation, with centralized command and control, which succeeded both tactically and strategically.

My best guess about the lack of response is 1/3 fog of war, 1/3 cowardice, and 1/3 incompetence.” *****

TT


49 posted on 11/02/2012 12:58:40 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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