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New Yorkers in fuel scramble as storm-hit pumps dry up
Yahoo News ^ | October 30,2012 | By David Sheppard and Edward McAllister

Posted on 10/31/2012 4:08:16 PM PDT by Hojczyk

Drivers and homeowners scrambled to secure fuel for their cars and generators in the U.S. Northeast on Wednesday as storm-hit gasoline stations started to run dry.

More than half of all gasoline service stations in the New York City area and New Jersey were shut because of depleted fuel supplies and power outages, frustrating attempts to restore normal life, industry officials said.

Reports of long lines, dark stations and empty tanks circulated across the region. Some station owners were unable to pump fuel due to a lack of power, while others quickly ran their tanks dry because of increased demand and logistical problems in delivering fresh supplies.

The lack of working gasoline stations is likely to compound travel problems in the region, with the New York City subway system down until at least Thursday and overland rail and bus services severely disrupted.

Homeowners and businesses relying on back-up generators during the power cuts, including many Wall Street banks in lower Manhattan, may also run short of fuel.

"I don't have any lights and need this gasoline for my generator," said Abdul Rahim Anwar at a Getty service station in Gowanus, Brooklyn, as he put two full jerry cans into his trunk.

Tempers flared as a queue of at least 30 cars spilled down the street, with drivers blaring horns, shouting and getting out of their cars. Pump attendant Nadim Amid said the station had already run out of regular gasoline and only had a tiny amount of super unleaded and diesel left.

One driver, a doctor who asked not to be named, said she had driven all the way across New York City from New Jersey, where half of all businesses and homes are still without power.

(Excerpt) Read more at ca.news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: emptytank; fuel; ny; prep; prepare; pump

1 posted on 10/31/2012 4:08:21 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Things are going to deteriorate fast when people start fighting for survival.


2 posted on 10/31/2012 4:10:27 PM PDT by randita
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To: Hojczyk

Same thing happened here in Florida...Most stations now have a generator to run the pumps...but you need cash...no power no credit cards


3 posted on 10/31/2012 4:10:50 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Give ‘em all free Volts, Barry...


4 posted on 10/31/2012 4:11:38 PM PDT by LRS ("He's 12 slices shy of a 1/2 loaf of Bunny Bread!")
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To: Hojczyk

No offense to anyone who tried to be prepared by purchasing a generator after Hurricane Irene last year, but this situation exposes one of the flaws of that kind of planning. Maybe next year we’ll have thousands of people installing gasoline tanks in their backyards, too.


5 posted on 10/31/2012 4:11:50 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: randita

Road Warrior scenario. People think I’m on crack when I say it.

This proves I’m not. And it only took 2 days for it to begin with the knowledge that it’s a temporary thing. Imagine when the SHTF with NO end in sight.


6 posted on 10/31/2012 4:13:42 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Hojczyk

That generator tri fuel kit I bought is looking better and better all the time.


7 posted on 10/31/2012 4:14:13 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Hojczyk

Having worked in the industry..most standby generators in commercial applications only have a fuel supply for a temporary power outage. Once it gets to be three days to a week, they need resupply. Most of the time diesel generators don’t fail..they either run out of fuel..or have flat batteries when they are supposed to start. Many building codes and zoning laws just don’t let them keep enough fuel on site.


8 posted on 10/31/2012 4:14:35 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Hojczyk

no station in New Jersey or New York has a generator.

that would be self reliant and yankees depend on government for life


9 posted on 10/31/2012 4:17:38 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Alberta's Child

Maybe next year we’ll have thousands of people installing gasoline tanks in their backyards, too.

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Noooo. EPA won’t let ‘em. Sunlight or wind power and battteries made by Hussein donors.
Don’t you understand?


10 posted on 10/31/2012 4:18:05 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Alberta's Child

Diesel is easier and safer to store and use. I’d pay extra for a diesel generator.


11 posted on 10/31/2012 4:20:11 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Norm Lenhart
"Imagine when the SHTF with NO end in sight."

Solar power combined with extreme conservation looks good for at least a few years - barring the incursion of rovers.

12 posted on 10/31/2012 4:23:12 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Alberta's Child
Maybe next year we’ll have thousands of people installing gasoline tanks in their backyards, too.

Plan item #1: DON'T tell the EPA.

13 posted on 10/31/2012 4:25:29 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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Nature has a way of over-riding the best laid plans sometimes.


14 posted on 10/31/2012 4:31:31 PM PDT by yield 2 the right (2012, the election year that stinks!)
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To: Hojczyk
It's turning into November and colder weather is coming fast. Human beings get cold when the electric grid is down and the portable generator runs out of fuel. I know, because I was living through this exactly one year ago today when the Halloween snowstorm of 2011 dumped up to a foot of wet snow in my area and brought down massive amounts of trees and power lines.

If the human beings in the NYC/NJ area do not have power restored by the weekend, they are going to have daggers in their eyes when they go to the voting booths on Tuesday.

Obama might look like a hero today, waddling arm-and-arm down the Atlantic City boardwalk with Chris Christie (Look! They unplugged the slot machines at Harrah's!). But he's going to be a horses's ass when it's the weekend and millions of human beings are still waiting for their power to come back on and for the water to get pumped out of their basements.

15 posted on 10/31/2012 4:32:59 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Chickensoup
Sunlight or wind power and battteries

Really not a bad plan for emergency backup. I couldn't begin to afford a whole house solution, but have 1,000 amp hour battery bank powered by solar available. I try to keep ample gasoline for the generators as well but get fatigued over time and fail to refill. Will have to force myself going into the winter season now. Have a gallon of Stabil on hand LOL to treat it.

16 posted on 10/31/2012 4:44:34 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: Paladin2
Diesel is easier and safer to store and use.

I agree with that and have 1999 diesel fuel still stored that my bug-out van seems to start and run on just fine (it has been treated with PRI-D). There has not been any significant bacterial growth and apart from some inevitable acidity, seems to be perfectly usable. However, I certainly wouldn't recommend putting it in a new rig except in dire emergency.

17 posted on 10/31/2012 4:52:31 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: Alberta's Child
that's why i bought a diesel as i always have at least a hundred gallons of fuel in my tank fuel oil tank...
18 posted on 10/31/2012 4:53:54 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: JohnBovenmyer
Plan Item #2. Don't tell your neighbors nor the HOA.

Plan Item #3. Put the tank(s) in the garage rafters or tunnel out through the garage floor.

19 posted on 10/31/2012 5:04:19 PM PDT by Paladin2
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20 posted on 10/31/2012 5:12:47 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=om93destr)
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To: Hojczyk

This will certainly become a case study for prepping. Not many people can just buy land out in the country where they can grow their own food. They are in the city because that is where they work. This is the more relistic prepping scenario.


21 posted on 10/31/2012 5:24:36 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: steve86

Propane is even better. Tanks can be buried, no transfer or pumping required, and you can also run your propane furnace, gas logs, stove, etc off it if need be.

Plus propane absolutely does not degrade, diesel will grow stuff if not treated at regular intervals, and propane isn’t prone to picking up water.


22 posted on 10/31/2012 5:49:17 PM PDT by wrench
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To: wrench

Yep, stocked with that, too. 100 gal LPG tank outside house for water heater/fireplace and many small tanks, but hard to keep track of all the hose adapters and things over the years.

The one time I had to make an adapter was when the big tank ran out LOL and I had to run the house off small tanks. My truck is equipped with all this stuff also.

As far as the diesel, I do have a spare water-removing-filter for the truck and an almost unused one in it. I know you can use a bactricide on the diesel but then it tends to clog up the filters. But I guess that is better than plugging up the injectors?

I’m not going to try to post anymore tonight. Too many timeouts.


23 posted on 10/31/2012 6:02:36 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: Hojczyk

Saw an interview with a guy in NYC and he whined there was no ice and he had perishables that would go bad quickly without it.

Now, if that exchange had happened in FL, the networks would have been all over it and how BUSH let those people done.

Waiting to see what happens over the next few days ...


24 posted on 10/31/2012 6:03:05 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (People will vote for Obama to replace a god that they don't believe in)
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To: wrench

Thanks , Hank Hill. Lol


25 posted on 10/31/2012 6:10:37 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useful idiots.)
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To: Paladin2

I’d pay extra for a natural gas generator hooked up to my natural gas lines here at my house.


26 posted on 10/31/2012 6:24:16 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Paladin2

I’d pay extra for a natural gas generator hooked up to my natural gas lines here at my house.


27 posted on 10/31/2012 6:24:39 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Chickensoup

Funny you should mention the epa just wait until the regulations come out against rebuilding in storm damaged areas


28 posted on 10/31/2012 6:31:57 PM PDT by databoss
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To: Chickensoup

Funny you should mention the epa just wait until the regulations come out against rebuilding in storm damaged areas


29 posted on 10/31/2012 6:33:22 PM PDT by databoss
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To: Oldexpat
Having worked in the industry..most standby generators in commercial applications only have a fuel supply for a temporary power outage.

Roger that.

I have a 100 gallon propane tank for my 15KW generator. That usually lasts for 48 hours.

Power outages with Irene and the "halloween snow" of 2011 were just under 48 hours.

Only 5 hours 15 minutes with Sandy.

30 posted on 10/31/2012 6:33:57 PM PDT by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: Paladin2
"I’d pay extra for a diesel generator."

That's what I did. $1600 for a ChiCom 6.5 KW.

Lost power for 6 days after Irene. It sucked. Luckily I'd filled a barrel with water for the toilets. Without it we'd have had to move in with family that had juice.

This storm the power blipped a few times but held on. I can hear generators across the valley that had power last time but drew the short straw during this storm.

I feel a lot better with 55 gal. of diesel for longevity and safety.

31 posted on 10/31/2012 6:34:51 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: Ditter

You should be able to have a nat gas line set up for a genset. Many commercial building emergency generators are done this way, and it isn’t unusual to have an outdoor grill tied into the gas line, so a genset, small or large would be no different.

Local code may not allow, but.......


32 posted on 10/31/2012 6:38:09 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Hojczyk

As I posted yesterday when people thought Obama would ride in like a knight on a white horse and everybody would adore him and he’d win votes for handling the situation well.

I’m a veteran many storms (60 year old native Floridian) and know that it only takes a day or two for people to start complaining and become disgruntled with the situation and the blame starts to fly and it’s usually directed at the government.


33 posted on 10/31/2012 6:40:03 PM PDT by memyselfandi59
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To: wrench

Yes it is possible to have a generator that runs on natural gas, We considered it after our electricity was off for over 2 weeks after hurricane Ike 4 years ago. We may do it before next hurricane season. That would be so much better than gasoline or diesel.


34 posted on 11/01/2012 3:50:20 AM PDT by Ditter
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