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McCain Helps Push Romney’s Mourdock Headaches Into Day Two
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Posted on 10/24/2012 11:06:35 PM PDT by Arthurio

EVAN MCMORRIS-SANTORO OCTOBER 24, 2012, 11:01 PM 8102

If Mitt Romney was hoping the Richard Mourdock story he’s deeply entwined in would go away fast, he apparently didn’t get the memo to one of his top surrogates.

Just as Democrats and the Obama campaign began amping up their effort to highlight Romney’s ties to Mourdock after the Indiana Senate candidate uttered his claim that pregnancies caused by rape are “something that God intended to happen” — and Romney and the Republicans worked to put the moment behind them — John McCain sat down with CNN to throw a wrench in the Republican effort.

Last week, McCain was in Indiana campaigning for Mourdock, who won the Republican nomination by beating the man McCain backed, veteran Sen. Richard Lugar.

Asked if he’s still backing Mourdock following his rape comments Wednesday, McCain instead backed far away from him.

“It depends on what he does. I think it depends on what he does,” McCain said. McCain said that “if he apologizes and says he misspoke and he was wrong and he asks the people to forgive him,” the Arizona Senator would get behind him again.

Both the DSCC and the Obama campaign sent the clip to reporters Wednesday night:

McCain’s response to Mourdock is markedly different from Romney’s as well as many of the other national Republicans who stood behind him as the story unfolded today. Romney, who’s starring in a statewide ad campaign on Mourdock’s behalf, repudiated Mourdock’s comments but promised to stick by him and declined to call on Mourdock to take the TV ads off the air.

(Excerpt) Read more at 2012.talkingpointsmemo.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; footinmouth; mccain; mclame; mcnuts; mcpain; mourdock; prolife; rape; richardmourdock; waronwomen

1 posted on 10/24/2012 11:06:40 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio

Just WHY don’t Republicans just SHUT UP on these NON-issues. This is peanuts and McLame just hacks me off. Also Akin - let it DROP. That’s all the left has to hang their hats on.

Mourdock and Akin should NOT ever get into those stupid conversations, but the lefties set them up sometimes.

McCain - just back Mourdock - we NEED every vote and every Senate seat we can get, you knucklehead.


2 posted on 10/24/2012 11:12:09 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Paul Ryan clings to his gun, sits in his deer stand and is going to be our next VP!)
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To: Arthurio

Not content to only screw up his own presidential run giving us Obama the first time, he’s now evidently determined to deliver Obama a two-fer.

I don’t have anything good to say so...


3 posted on 10/24/2012 11:13:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama's myth is oozing out onto the floor. He's the political Lance Armstrong.)
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To: Arthurio

John McCain the certified biggest A**hole in U.S. Senate!


4 posted on 10/24/2012 11:27:22 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: Arthurio
"... his claim that pregnancies caused by rape are “something that God intended to happen”

This is the Biblical position of anyone who genuinely believes in the actual sovereignty of Almighty God. It is the biblical Christian confession that there are no true accidents under God's sovereign government.

"McCain said that “if he apologizes and says he misspoke and he was wrong and he asks the people to forgive him,..”

McCain's position is:

1) blasphemy, and persecution of someone for his Christian confession

2) He is the one who needs to seek forgivenes, not from men, but God.

3) It is an indirect denial of religious liberty.

5 posted on 10/24/2012 11:28:19 PM PDT by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: Arthurio

JMJ

He rarely knows when to STHU.


6 posted on 10/24/2012 11:39:52 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: verklaring
This is the Biblical position of anyone who genuinely believes in the actual sovereignty of Almighty God.

WRONG! Do you always cover for Satan? What part of 'evil in the world' don't you get?

7 posted on 10/24/2012 11:49:13 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: verklaring

I agreed. God is the giver of life.


8 posted on 10/25/2012 12:04:24 AM PDT by Lily4Jesus ( Jesus is LORD)
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To: Arthurio

Once again: When asked about rape-and-abortion, say: “What crime has the unborn baby committed?” And nothing else.


9 posted on 10/25/2012 12:09:47 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: presently no screen name
God is sovereign also over Satan. Read the book of Job.

Satan does wickedly, but he is a creature who owes his continued existence, as does the whole universe to God. He is not an independent force.

Historic Christianity rejects Zoroastrian dualism of a good god/force and an evil demiurge who are equal in power. It reduces God to a creature. God's power is transcendent, it is above the universe and sovereign over it, divine not creaturely. God is able to rule evil in such away that wicked men act responsibly, also Satan. Yet God accomplishes his holy purpose in judgment.

The prime example of this is the Cross of Christ: Acts 2:23; Acts 4:27,28.

Rape is evil. The conception and birth of a child, who committed no crime, is not.

10 posted on 10/25/2012 12:10:46 AM PDT by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

>> McCain - just back Mourdock - we NEED every vote and every Senate seat we can get, you knucklehead.

As cross-the-aisle-dressing translegistite, McCain’s stock goes up when the ‘rats run the Senate. He doesn’t WANT a GOP majority.


11 posted on 10/25/2012 12:12:25 AM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: Arthurio

This isn’t surprising. McCain would rather see a democrat win than a conservative who actually took on one of the dinosaurs of RINO’s and beat him. Mourdock should expect no support (and active damage) from the McCain/Graham wing of the Senate.


12 posted on 10/25/2012 12:37:38 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Arthurio
One further observation, whether you agree with Mourdock's view or not, (or mine), he should have the right to express it without being reviled and ridiculed for what is, manifestly, a religious belief.

It is striking in this politically correct world, that any vile opinion may be stated, including the Democrats, approval of partial birth abortion,(effectively at their convention) or that of any non-christian religion, particularly Islam, and it is not to be criticized.

But any statement of what sounds like, even remotely, Christian belief is reviled, and called to be retracted with an apology (which is what McCain does).

It tells you more about what the real place of a Christian is in our society and in the republican party – a useful tool for profit or election – but not to be taken seriously. North America has come along way from the 13 colonies, most of whose founders came to North America for religious freedom, as Christians.

13 posted on 10/25/2012 12:46:56 AM PDT by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: Arthurio
One further observation, whether you agree with Mourdock's view or not, (or mine), he should have the right to express it without being reviled and ridiculed for what is, manifestly, a religious belief.

It is striking in this politically correct world, that any vile opinion may be stated, including the Democrats, approval of partial birth abortion,(effectively at their convention) or that of any non-christian religion, particularly Islam, and it is not to be criticized.

But any statement of what sounds like, even remotely, Christian belief is reviled, and called to be retracted with an apology (which is what McCain does).

It tells you more about what the real place of a Christian is in our society and in the republican party – a useful tool for profit or election – but not to be taken seriously. North America has come along way from the 13 colonies, most of whose founders came to North America for religious freedom, as Christians.

14 posted on 10/25/2012 12:47:10 AM PDT by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: Arthurio

Good, ole’ Juan. I’d expect nothing less from him. Mourdouck has nothing to be sorry for. His meaning is that a child conceived of rape is still made in the image of God like a child born between a loving couple in marriage.


15 posted on 10/25/2012 1:07:27 AM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: Arthur McGowan
Good answer. How about "It is above my pay grade"?

Other than that, I prefer they just keep their mouths shut, on matters that are none of their business.

McCain needs a GAG order put on him.

16 posted on 10/25/2012 1:28:36 AM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: verklaring

I’m in agreement that Christians have come under politically correct attack, and I am of Christian heritage, though I am not religious. For someone like me, who doesn’t really understand or feel the whole visceral abortion thing, I want to take a reasonable pro-life stand: leave it to the states, and let those most affected, the women, vote on it. I go with the flow, until I am confronted with what inspires a visceral reaction in myself: the seemingly vile position of outlawing abortion even in cases of rape and incest. For me, and for NEAR 80% OF VOTERS, this is a literally sickening position. Don’t do that any more... we’ve already lost several senate seats in 2010 because of it! (Angle NV, Buck CO, Joe Miller* Alaska, O’Donnell DE [abortion extremism just one factor for O’Donnell versus a decisive factor in the other cases], and this time we have Akin and Mourdach. We possibly could have had 60 senate seats come 2013 if it wasn’t for the rape / incest position.)


17 posted on 10/25/2012 1:36:59 AM PDT by Hokestuk
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To: Arthurio

Neal Boortz who is an atheist went off on this and one would expect the democrats who also don’t believe in God to do so as well. Fortunately Boortz is retiring and Michael Cane is scheduled to be his replacement.

As far as McCain goes well I don’t watch CNN in fact don’t watch free (or any) tv since the major nets moved their transmission location. Net and am/fm radio are my sources.


18 posted on 10/25/2012 1:49:35 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great para/p)
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To: Hokestuk
I think the whole thing is just a “gotcha” trap.

1) Roe vs. Wade isn't going to be overturned anytime soon.

2) Pregnancies from rape and incest probably account for
what? maybe 0.01% of all abortions?

Even looking at it from a Christian standpoint, while I think abortion is wrong, evil, etc. - there are other things going on that are wrong and evil that we DO have the hope of changing in the near future - IF conservatives can get elected.

19 posted on 10/25/2012 2:08:49 AM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: verklaring

No it’s not. God does not will that rape happen. God does not will that sin happen.

Rape is sin. God does not will it or intend it. God permits evil men and women to do evil things. God intends and wills that they do good.

It’s theology like yours that destroys the Christian witness.

Period.


20 posted on 10/25/2012 2:12:40 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: 21twelve; Hokestuk

Heh. My SWAG at the 0.01% might be about right. Justice survey awhile back said about 200,000 rapes in a year. Another study shows chance of pregnancy at 3 to 5 %. Call it 5%, so 10,000 rape pregnancies (I imagine “rape” includes incest?). Say 1 million abortions - and it is 0.01% (Of course I just checked that 1 million, and it is more like 1.4 million. :( Per year.


21 posted on 10/25/2012 2:17:46 AM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: Houghton M.

Our preacher just had a good sermon on our Sovereign God that as he talked about it, it made sense. Of course I’ve forgotten the main point now!

But that God IS sovereign, in spite of the sin and bad things that happen. And he also made the point that SOMEtimes, but not usually, God does cause bad things to happen to people if it will make them turn back to Him in the long run). Things like the Babylonian captivity.

But usually, the bad things that happen to us are either other people’s sin, our sin, are stupidity, or acts of nature. BUT - through it all - God is still Sovereign.


22 posted on 10/25/2012 2:28:16 AM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: mosesdapoet

Herman Cain is replacing Boortz.


23 posted on 10/25/2012 2:29:14 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (South Carolinians need to start choosing a primary challenger to Nikki Haley NOW!!!!!!!)
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To: verklaring
This is the Biblical position of anyone who genuinely believes in the actual sovereignty of Almighty God. It is the biblical Christian confession that there are no true accidents under God's sovereign government.

Your view is of God as a cruel puppet master and the rejection of free will and the consequences thereof. God intends for us to be righteous and blessed.

In your view, God must also intend for abortions to take place since nothing occurs by accident.

24 posted on 10/25/2012 2:43:16 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Osama's dead... and so is our ambassador - Coulter.)
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To: 21twelve

Of course God is sovereign.

But that does not mean that God wills sin or evil. Or that God intends sin.

To say that God intends for someone to rape someone is just plain wrong.

God’s sovereignty means that good can come about when someone (the sinner or someone else) does GOOD in the face of someone other than God doing evil.

God
does
not
do
evil
or will evil or intend evil.

Evil is done by men and angels in disobedience to God.

Rape is evil.

Repeat after me, Mourdock you idiot, rape is evil.

The sovereignty of God in the face of evil done by men is a difficult teaching to explain to non-believers.

A politician like Dummb Mourdock would be far wiser to stick to the fundamental justice issues involved in the gotcha question.

The child conceived in the wake of a rape is innocent. Killing that child is unjust. The rapist is the evildoer and the rapist must be punished. The child is innocent.

That’s reasoning any person, Christian, Jew, Muslim, secularist can understand. Some may argue with it, resist it but it is defensible and communicable.

Leave the question of God’ sovereignty aside when asked about the rape and incest “exceptions.”

Just leave it aside, Mourdock. There is absolutely nothing to be gained for your good prolife intentions by venturing into the theology of God’s sovereignty and the question of evil.

Stick with

Child innocent.
Rapist guilty.

Child good. Rapist bad.

It’s not rocket science, stupid Mourdock.

You’ll have other chances to witness for your faith in God’s sovereignty. And before you do that on occasions when it actually serves God’s will to engage in theological discussion of God’s sovereignty, for God’s sake, stupid Mourdock, get your theology about God’s freedom and human freedom, God’s permissive will and God’s active willing,
get
it
straight.


25 posted on 10/25/2012 2:47:13 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: verklaring

No one disputes his freedom to say it.

I dispute his intelligence. He has a stupid theology and he’s even stupider in terms of political prudence.


26 posted on 10/25/2012 2:48:19 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: verklaring
One further observation, whether you agree with Mourdock's view or not, (or mine), he should have the right to express it without being reviled and ridiculed for what is, manifestly, a religious belief.

No one is robbing him of his religious freedom so why should others be robbed of their fundamental freedom of expression regarding a man who wants to be their representative? A "religious belief" is no free pass; it's not as if you wouldn't criticize those politicians who express a religious view in support of homosexual marriage for example.

27 posted on 10/25/2012 2:48:28 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Osama's dead... and so is our ambassador - Coulter.)
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To: mosesdapoet

Correction that’s Herman Cain not Michael Cain


28 posted on 10/25/2012 2:52:11 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great para/p)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Mrs. Don-o
Bears repeating. I cannot believe that especially after Akin, prolifers did not get clear in their hearts and minds.

Once again: When asked about rape-and-abortion, say: “What crime has the unborn baby committed?” And nothing else.


29 posted on 10/25/2012 2:54:05 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: 21twelve
Huge important points you make, 2112. I concur. Wait... concur? One thing, though, tell Romney to stop using word like concur and commensurate with, and instead use words like agree or in line with, because his sometimes overuse of SAT words makes him appear stilted, and exacerbates (another word he shouldn't use) his "lily rich guy" image.
30 posted on 10/25/2012 2:59:25 AM PDT by Hokestuk
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To: Houghton M.

Excellent. Would that someone who the MSM run to for comment on this subject could nail it to eloquently.


31 posted on 10/25/2012 3:01:04 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: ModelBreaker
Mourdock should expect no support (and active damage) from the McCain/Graham wing of the Senate.

Nor should Romney if he wins the election. McCain will lead the RINOs in opposing the kind of pull out by the roots changes we need across the executive branch.

32 posted on 10/25/2012 3:07:02 AM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: don-o

Just as I don’t care whether a pro-abortion politician “personally” opposes abortion, I don’t care whether a pro-life politician gets his convictions from the Pope, or “prayer,” or “the Lord,” or “my heart,” or whatever. They can’t seem to resist talking about their private religious views, or prayer, or their reading of Scripture, and every time they do it, the baby-killers have a field day painting them as theocrats and wackos.


33 posted on 10/25/2012 3:27:23 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Arthurio; All

Hanoi John still committing treason against the USA...doing everything possible to keep that Socialist for another 4 years in the White House


34 posted on 10/25/2012 3:28:46 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: Arthurio
Libyagate or someone that speaks out religious ideas that are fringe... I think this story is a dead fish wrapped in yesterday's ny slimes... which is why is smells particularly bad!

LLS

35 posted on 10/25/2012 4:31:29 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRESS ARE NO LONGER TRUSTWORTHY OR DESERVING OF RESPECT!)
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To: Nervous Tick
As cross-the-aisle-dressing translegistite, McCain’s stock goes up when the ‘rats run the Senate. He doesn't’t WANT a GOP majority.”

What YOU said....

SAD but very true. I will NEVER, EVER, EVER forgive McLaim for two things. For his allowing his own staff to trash Sarah Palin and secondly for him saying “you have nothing to fear from an Obama Presidency”. Well - we're living it and YOU betcha I live in fear along with millions of others here in this great nation because of Obama’s presidency - or fake. This man has done more to harm this nation from within than any enemy from without.

Vote R/R on Nov. 6 and get everyone you know to vote R/R also.

36 posted on 10/25/2012 5:20:31 AM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Paul Ryan clings to his gun, sits in his deer stand and is going to be our next VP!)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor
Just WHY don’t Republicans just SHUT UP on these NON-issues. This is peanuts and McLame just hacks me off.

A scorpion approached a frog by the side of a stream and asked if the frog could give him a ride to the other side. The frog said "No! If I let you near me you'll sting me and I'll die!" The scorpion said "No, if you die I will drown because I cannot swim". The frog considered this and decided it made sense so he let the scorpion onto his back. About halfway across the stream the scorpion stung the frog. As the frog began to die and both were sinking to certain death the frog asked "But why?!". The scorpion replied "I can't help it, it's my nature."

Here we are, a couple of weeks before an election and the country is at stake. We are perched on the back of the GOP frog, hoping to get across safely but McCain just has to sting, it's his nature to attack the GOP.

37 posted on 10/25/2012 6:20:23 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: verklaring
Every ill informed Christian uses Job to try to prove that fallacy. I see you are no exception and you clearly demonstrate you do NOT know God. READ and STUDY the rest of God's Word and get to know Him.

Acts 2:23 combined with the Old Testament prophecies and Jesus’ own words concerning His death and resurrection (Matthew 16:21), leaves no doubt that the crucifixion didn’t just happen. It was planned by God.

Does that mean that God bears all responsibility, and those who actually were instrumental in the rejection and crucifixion of Jesus are not guilty? Not at all. Jesus came to the earth to die in our place and thereby purchase redemption for us. That was His plan. But He didn’t force anyone to fulfill it.

His ministry and message placed Him in direct opposition with the devil and his followers. Their hatred for Jesus caused them, of their own free will, to crucify Jesus.

God, in all His wisdom, simply knew what man would do, and He determined to use their rejection of His Son to accomplish His will. He NEVER controls our will to accomplish His Will. We freely obey or freely not obey. God didn't make us robots. Love doesn't control. God is all Love.

..."Who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth". 1 Tim 2:4

Will everyone be saved? NO!

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to DESTRUCTION, and MANY enter through it". But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to LIFE, and only a FEW find it". Matthew 7:13,14

God wants all to be saved; yet MANY will not be through their own free will.

Do you lock your doors at night? Why? Seems you are trying to preventing God's Will from happening. Do you take aspirin or any meds? Why? Do you pray for the sick? Why?

According to your way of thinking God wants someone to rob/kill you and HE wants you sick. YET you are going against His will to try and prevent it? Now why would such a 'well informed good Christian' go against His Will?

See how that teaching will make one take no responsibility for their own actions and give cover for satan? See how twisted that teaching is? Do you resist satan as God tell us to? According to your thinking, you can't, after all, satan's doing God's will. That is truly fork tongue teaching!

God created us in His image and likeness and homos say God made them that way. Just like you saying God created satan. God created LUCIFER not satan. Get to know the difference!

So much for your 'Historic Christianity'. It's not even Christian but perverted teaching meant to deceive. But according to your teaching God wants us deceived. Now where would that teaching come from as GOD clearly warns us satan has come to kill, rob and destroy and satan is the Father of Lies/Deception.

38 posted on 10/25/2012 7:57:09 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Houghton M.

“The sovereignty of God in the face of evil done by men is a difficult teaching to explain to non-believers.”

Heck - it is hard for believers to understand too! (At least for me.) That is why a non-believer’s question of “so why did your mom live and your dad die if God was watching over them” (for instance) is a hard one - and another “gotcha” question for so many people.


39 posted on 10/25/2012 1:15:21 PM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: Arthurio

McCain, the Democrats’ favorite Republican. He’s probably jealous of the fact that Romney’s so far done better as a candidate than he did in 2008.


40 posted on 10/27/2012 6:47:50 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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