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Wisconsin nuclear power plant to be shut down
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| Monday, October 22, 2012
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Posted on 10/22/2012 1:22:33 PM PDT by Jyotishi
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posted on
10/22/2012 1:22:37 PM PDT
by
Jyotishi
To: Jyotishi
Losing 556 MW. Ouch.
But whatever. The reason they can’t find a buyer is because this particular plant can’t compete economically with the cheaper natural gas burning ones. Nuthin’ wrong with cheap energy...
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posted on
10/22/2012 1:30:20 PM PDT
by
verum ago
(Some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
To: verum ago
Are you sure cheap gas is behind this ?
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posted on
10/22/2012 1:32:39 PM PDT
by
Eric in the Ozarks
(In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
To: verum ago
556 MW is a small nuke. That means it was probably built in the 60’s.
That means in a regulated state it has probably been depreciated to the point it is no longer counted in their rate base.
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posted on
10/22/2012 1:46:17 PM PDT
by
hadaclueonce
(you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
To: Jyotishi
556 MW is too small for a nuke to be really profitable in many markets. Sad but true.
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posted on
10/22/2012 1:47:19 PM PDT
by
Nuc 1.1
(Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
To: Eric in the Ozarks
I doubt that, we get all our gas piped into WI from other places in the country. We’ve been hit hard when they haven’t purchased enough for a winter and have to buy extra at that point.
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posted on
10/22/2012 1:47:47 PM PDT
by
Secret Agent Man
(I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
To: Eric in the Ozarks
"This decision was based purely on economics. Dominion was not able to move forward with our plan to grow our nuclear fleet in the Midwest to take advantage of economies of scale, said Thomas F. Farrell II, Dominion chairman, president and CEO.Evidently cheap gas is not the reason. Perhaps Govt regulation against building new nukes and/or Dominion's inability to acquire existing nukes at a desired price point.
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posted on
10/22/2012 1:48:23 PM PDT
by
DTogo
(High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
To: Eric in the Ozarks
Are you sure cheap gas is behind this ?
Fairly sure. This particular plant is at the end of its power purchasing agreement, which had a price significantly above the average for the region. It was only viable due to the higher price in its contract. Wholesale power costs in the region are pretty low (due to natural gas plants), and this particular nuc can't compete.
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posted on
10/22/2012 1:49:16 PM PDT
by
verum ago
(Some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
To: Jyotishi
Y’know, if I lived in a state as cold as Wisconsin, and winter was comin’ on, I’d delay the shutdown of a power plant at least until spring thaw...
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posted on
10/22/2012 1:53:37 PM PDT
by
Little Ray
(AGAINST Obama in the General.)
To: verum ago
An addendum: it’s not because gas is cheap in the Wisconsin area, but because it’s cheap enough elsewhere that it’s more economic for Wisconsin utilities to buy power from other places (using cheap gas plants) than to keep that plant.
Power is a goofy thing. e.g. The power from Lucky Peak Dam here at Boise, ID is purchased by Seattle (WA) Electric of all things.
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posted on
10/22/2012 1:54:15 PM PDT
by
verum ago
(Some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
To: verum ago
What’s wrong with that is that 10 years from now we could be in a different situation and nukes take a LOOONG time to build.
Once its gone, its GONE.
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posted on
10/22/2012 2:11:16 PM PDT
by
WOSG
(REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole AmericaÂ’s promise!)
To: WOSG
Whats wrong with that is that 10 years from now we could be in a different situation and nukes take a LOOONG time to build.
And an even longer time to get through all the damned red tape. Hopefully some of the newer modular and passively safe designs will help cut back on both red tape and construction time.
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posted on
10/22/2012 2:14:44 PM PDT
by
verum ago
(Some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
To: Little Ray
Yknow, if I lived in a state as cold as Wisconsin, and winter was comin on, Id delay the shutdown of a power plant at least until spring thawElectrical Demand is different in different regions in the winter.
Most of the north does not use electric to heat their homes.
Nothing spins a meter faster than Air Conditioning.
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posted on
10/22/2012 2:37:08 PM PDT
by
hadaclueonce
(you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
To: Nuc 1.1
The USS Reagan is twice that
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posted on
10/22/2012 2:38:11 PM PDT
by
al baby
(“If Barack Obama has a Harvard law degree, he didn’t earn that. Somebody else made that happen.”)
To: al baby
The USS Reagan is twice thatThermal or electrical?
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posted on
10/22/2012 2:43:47 PM PDT
by
cicero2k
To: Jyotishi; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ...
Demise of a Wisconsin nuclear power plant
FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.
To: cicero2k
Beats me I just binged the Reagan to find out didnt look that far
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posted on
10/22/2012 3:35:52 PM PDT
by
al baby
(“If Barack Obama has a Harvard law degree, he didn’t earn that. Somebody else made that happen.”)
To: hadaclueonce
Should have thought of that. I suppose having heating oil in tank at your house is safer than depending on wires to deliver your heating power. You can be warm even if there is no power.
However, getting hot is *usually* only uncomfortable. Getting cold will kill ya!
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posted on
10/22/2012 3:56:27 PM PDT
by
Little Ray
(AGAINST Obama in the General.)
To: verum ago
Alliant Energy of Wisconsin sold off the rights to the Palo Nuclear unit near Cedar Rapids, IA., some years ago. The Palo plant was built by Iowa Electric of Cedar Rapids before they were bought out by Alliant.
The plant was named “Duane Arnold Energy Center,” in honor of the long time IE chairman. After the power plant came on line, Mr. Arnold said the “only mistake we made is we didn’t built two of them.”
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posted on
10/22/2012 4:58:41 PM PDT
by
Eric in the Ozarks
(In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
To: al baby
I just researched the Westinghouse reactor on these Nimitz class ships, generates 550 MWth, translates to 104 MWe to the props and probably another 50 MWe for the rest of the ship.
The Wisconsin nuke plant at 565 MWe needs somewhere like 1,880 MWth as input.
Nuke plants are about 30% efficient while the natural gas combined cycle are 50% on a cold Wisconsin day. Plus cheaper to build.
However, having our electrical system dependent on a fuel source that is difficult to store is freaking dangerous. Blow up a natural gas pipeline and you have a wide area electrical blackout as the generating plants shut down.
Some of this risk can be averted by having dual fuel gas/ oil plants; where the oil is emergency use only. A diverse generation system is the way to go.
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posted on
10/22/2012 5:06:10 PM PDT
by
cicero2k
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