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When Gov. Romney Talked About there being "Too Many Men" in his Potential Mass. Cabinet (Vanity)
Vanity | Oct. 16, 2012 | Vanity

Posted on 10/17/2012 7:33:18 AM PDT by RochesterNYconservative

I want to preface by saying I am voting for Mitt Romney and I thought the debate moderated by Candy Crowley was horrendously bad. I think she was even worst than Martha Raddatz, if that was possible.

But one statement Romney said that bothered me during the debate. A feminazi asked a loaded question about how men make more than women (a falsehood for the most part).

Gov. Romney said that when he first became Governor, he looked at a stack of potential cabinet members and complained that they were all men. He then directed his chief of staff to find more women.

If I was a potential cabinet member, who campaigned for you, supported and donated to your campaign, and was QUALIFIED to do the job I applied for, and my resume was sent to the circular file because I was a man, I would be fuming!

Romney, I understand, was only trying to aticulate he would be fair to women as president, as he was trying to downplay a fake "war on women," but I found the treatment of those potential cabinet members unfair because their gender should not have mattered. Finding a good cabinet should not be an affirmative action game.


TOPICS: US: Massachusetts; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; crowley; debate; obama; romney; vanity
My opinion only.
1 posted on 10/17/2012 7:33:23 AM PDT by RochesterNYconservative
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To: RochesterNYconservative

I agree, it should not be a factor, but when building a governing cabinet, factors enter other than just who sent a resume. As governor, a team of all white men would be a political liability. I doubt Romney turned down the best candidates, but simply wanted to expand the pool to choose from. If no women applied, no women would be selected. By adding women (in fact, binders of women :) ) I am sure he only considered those qualified.

I agree with your premise, though. Gender, color, etc should not even be a factor when selecting people for a position.


2 posted on 10/17/2012 7:38:05 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: RochesterNYconservative
The question - concerning womens salaries vs mens was a no-win for Romney, as it is based upon a misleading factoid - the average salary of women with equivalent backgrounds is so close to that of mens as to be a non-issue, but its one of those things a politician cannot say without coming across as insensitive. So he basically, understandably, deflected.
3 posted on 10/17/2012 7:39:38 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: RochesterNYconservative

yea, that whole argument is ridiculous. If a woman doesn’t ask for more money she won’t get more money it’s as simple as that. I don’t know how much the people around me make but if I’m satisfied with what I make then it’s on me if they are actually making more than me and I can get more if I just push the boss a little. It’s called negotiating. Many people just take the first offer that is given and that’s fine but I always try to do better. Who knows, maybe I can be making even more than I am now but if I’m not willing to ask and push I’ll never really know. This isn’t about being a man or a woman in my opinion. Also, in his answer he mentioned that the women couldn’t stay past five because they had to get him. Well, I can say that I have stayed in the office, many a nights, WELL past 5. It’s called for sometimes and the people willing to do it will be compensated accordingly (as long as they are willing to push a little). Of course if Mitt tries to explain that in a debate the President and the media will demagogue it and try to make it seem like he’s anti women so I can look past it. There are a million things I don’t agree with Mitt about. I personally don’t think he’s very conservative but I’d rather he be the next President


4 posted on 10/17/2012 7:41:44 AM PDT by wiseprince
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To: RochesterNYconservative
Women aren't worried about salaries compared to men right now. They're just worried about having any salary at all. Just like the men are.

To your point, though: yes, it was a loaded question - certainly not one from an "uncommitted" voter (one of these days, the GOP needs to refuse these 'road game/hostile crowd' events). And your take is obviously correct. But Mitt needed to diffuse the question and move on. It means nothing in the grand scheme.

5 posted on 10/17/2012 7:41:49 AM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: RochesterNYconservative

When Romney was talking about his quest to fill the cabinet with qualified women and how he had his team scour the universe to find them I looked at my wife and said “See how hard it is to find qualified women?”. She hit me.


6 posted on 10/17/2012 7:42:26 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: alancarp

hahah, You should see the MSNBC focus group. Crissy was all over that and tried to get the women who supported Mitt to disavow him because of this question. One women said, well, first we need to get jobs before we can worry about the salary. FYI (5-3 for Romney in the MSNBC Focus group but hey, Obama had his best debate ever hahaha)


7 posted on 10/17/2012 7:45:59 AM PDT by wiseprince
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To: RochesterNYconservative
Why are young men face with imprisonment when they don't register for the draft at the age of 18 but women can get government assistance for college and are exempt from registering? Liberals too often try to place races against each other, now it is genders. Questions like that embolden liberal women but most other females aren't that dumb to fall for this shtick.
8 posted on 10/17/2012 7:47:35 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: pepsi_junkie

ROTFL


9 posted on 10/17/2012 7:50:44 AM PDT by RochesterNYconservative (ROMNEY/RYAN 20121)
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To: RochesterNYconservative

What bothered me was him telling the voters hussein was right about everything. He followed up with how he wasn’t but what’s going to stick is “he is right” in the voters’ minds. It was very McCain “we don’t have to be afraid of Obama.”


10 posted on 10/17/2012 7:51:04 AM PDT by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the time of no return?)
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To: pepsi_junkie

A point if I may...

All of the talk about “qualifications” is one part of the equation, but how many men can bring the perspective of a woman to a given issue?

C’mon guys, you know that we think differently and to dismiss that as a needed element is to me really missing the whole point. If Colleges wanted to strictly be known as “academic pillars” they would only admit Chinese or Asian students. Case closed

America is a nation of disparate views and needs, and to out of hand dismiss the participation of women with a voice that understands how THEY see things is being disingenuous.

Walk a mile in this scenario: A cabinet of ALL WOMEN

How many guys would pitch a fit and say what do YOU know about being a man!

Like it or not the good Lord made us different in nature and to take the tack of hiding behind “qualifications” in representing both genders is gonna make you look bad

JMHO


11 posted on 10/17/2012 7:51:36 AM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: RochesterNYconservative

When you correct for career choice, years in the career, hours on the job, and career interruptions, and a number of other reasonable non-gender factors that drive pay, women make MORE then men.


12 posted on 10/17/2012 7:57:15 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: 100American

An all woman cabinet? Lord help us! And I say that with all due respect... There is no such thing as equality and there never will be. Men understand that fact and act accordingly.


13 posted on 10/17/2012 8:01:14 AM PDT by refermech
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To: RochesterNYconservative

“Finding a good cabinet should not be an affirmative action game.”

You’re right. The cabinet positions should be the gov’s choice of qualified applicants, even if they’re all male.

The same if it’s a woman in an elected position. She should be able to have an all female staff if that’s what she wants.

However, you know the question was a gotcha. Romney answered well, considering.

He’s trying to win an election and the left is looking for anything they could use to turn the screws.


14 posted on 10/17/2012 8:06:19 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia ("Together we will unite America and get this done" - Paul Ryan - August 11, 2012)
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To: bgill

I just wish he would destroy the Clinton myth by correctly pointing out there was no true surplus under Clinton...it was disproved numerous times. I have a feeling he won’t attack Bill Clinton because I believe the Clintons want to stomp the Obamas after the entire Benghazi situation led to Hillary being thrown under the bus.


15 posted on 10/17/2012 8:09:02 AM PDT by RochesterNYconservative (ROMNEY/RYAN 20121)
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To: RochesterNYconservative

Politicians pander. It’s in their nature.

Romney is far from perfect.


16 posted on 10/17/2012 8:32:10 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: ilgipper

I don’t agree. Men and women are very different. Women sitting around a table where policy is being discussed completely changes the tone of discussion. In an age where women did not vote, it was a different story. but today more of them vote than men. Their point of view must make its way into the conversation directly.


17 posted on 10/17/2012 8:44:40 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Heart of Georgia

Well, it could be argued that Sarah Palin was an “affirmative action “ choice, and ironically, the liberals have tried to make that case. Indeed, her resume was less than Kaye Bailey Hutchison, and many other male politicians. But as a candidate she had far less to offer than Palin, and of course, Palin experience in office was more extensive than Obama’s. I admire Romney’s outreach beyond the “usual suspects.”


18 posted on 10/17/2012 8:55:04 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

Sarah Palin has proven herself successful over and over again with help from nothing but the sheer determination she’s gifted with from the Lord. In addition to her own accomplishments, she’s worked side by side with Todd to help him make a living in his fishing business.

So I’m curious, how was she an affirmative action pick?


19 posted on 10/17/2012 10:23:35 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia ("Together we will unite America and get this done" - Paul Ryan - August 11, 2012)
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To: RochesterNYconservative

Romney had a great answer to the question. Very few jobs in government requires more than 40 hours. Same goes for most private sector white collar jobs. If you can’t get it done, time was wastes during the day.


20 posted on 10/17/2012 10:55:57 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Heart of Georgia
McCain reached down below politicians with more experience, because he saw an unexploited talent. Romney did much the same thing. In business you might not do this, because the competition is so fierce, but in politics, you want a staff that is more representative. What you need is someone who is competent who fits your needs.
21 posted on 10/17/2012 12:47:24 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: refermech

NO!!!

Not an all women cabinet, but if they are qualified they are considered equally as a candidate for the positionng

I have been a victim of EEOC related regulations in my past and I am FIRMLY against anything like that!

That is all


22 posted on 10/18/2012 5:00:02 PM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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