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Do the debates unfairly shut out third parties?
CBS News ^ | October 15, 2012 | Brian Montopoli

Posted on 10/15/2012 4:52:35 AM PDT by teflon9

The presidential and vice presidential debates are sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates, a nonprofit corporation that mandates that a candidate have at least 15 percent support in national polls to participate. Since the CPD took over running the debates in 1988, only once has a third party candidate been allowed to participate: In 1992, when Ross Perot joined Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush on the debate stage.

The dominance of the two major parties at the debates has critics charging that the system is effectively rigged to shut out other voices. Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party nominee for president and former New Mexico governor, has sued on anti-trust grounds to be included this year. The CPD, he said in an interview, is designed "to protect the interests of Republicans and Democrats."

George Farah, the author of "No Debate: How the Republican and Democratic Parties Secretly Control the Presidential Debates" and the executive director of Open Debates, calls the 15 percent criteria "absurdly high," noting that candidates who reach five percent support qualify for public funding if they reached five percent support in past elections.

"Third parties have played critical issues in raising issues that are critical to the conversation in this country," he said, pointing to the abolition of slavery and the creation of Social Security and public schools. "When you exclude them from the debate, you have a sort of ideological containment."

"Despite the fact that 40 percent of the country is independent and hungry for an alternative, third parties face herculean structural barriers,"

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dinoparties; monopoly; stagnation; vicegrip
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The Democrat and Republican Parties (which are really just two wings of one party) have a monopoly that would make the robber barons of the Gilded Age green with envy. George Wallace famously declared that there isn't a dime's worth of difference between the 'rats and the GOP. Of course that was in 1968. A dime then is worth about 65 cents now. Still, that's not even enough to buy a small bag of M&Ms. Sad fact is, until we have a proportional electoral college (my lips to God's ears on this one), third parties will have a hard time making a real difference.
1 posted on 10/15/2012 4:52:43 AM PDT by teflon9
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To: teflon9

The constitution cuts out third parties by not providing for a majority.


2 posted on 10/15/2012 4:55:00 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: teflon9

There isn’t 65 cents worth of difference between the ‘rats and the GOP. There IS a huge difference between obama and Romney.


3 posted on 10/15/2012 4:55:41 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: teflon9

3rd parties dont work


4 posted on 10/15/2012 4:55:50 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: teflon9

I’d watch a Biden vs Rosanne Barr debate LOL


5 posted on 10/15/2012 4:58:03 AM PDT by Michigander222
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To: teflon9

The Communist Party and the Green Party will be well-represented at the debate.


6 posted on 10/15/2012 4:58:03 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Michigander222

Me too...... what a spectacle.


7 posted on 10/15/2012 5:00:14 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: teflon9

Are the debates fair at all?


8 posted on 10/15/2012 5:02:00 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: teflon9

I always felt that there should be a stand alone debate for Third party candidates. Voters could watch them and decide. But it becomes too much of a circus to put them in with the R/D candidates.


9 posted on 10/15/2012 5:03:00 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: driftdiver

Third parties are pretenders.

The candidates pretend to run and be relevant. Their Voters pretend they are voting.


10 posted on 10/15/2012 5:03:00 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: driftdiver

Third parties either love drugs or the enviornment like a religion, but they don’t get enough of a percentage to be included in a real choice debate.

Once Perot elevated himself enough to be included with 11% and I think it would take that.


11 posted on 10/15/2012 5:09:51 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Do you know what this is? It's the smallest violin in theworld playing the tiniest and saddest song ever written.

May they continue to be shut out. ESPECIALLY THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY!
12 posted on 10/15/2012 5:14:18 AM PDT by righttackle44 ( I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine . . .)
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To: teflon9

Whaaa!

Stop pretending like the 3rd parties magically represent all the independents. The independents are largely indecisive, not looking for more options.

In most marketing scenarios the choices are between Coke & Pepsi, an incumbent or an alternative. Perot got into the debates in 1992, Anderson in 1980. There is no monopoly.

If Gary Johnson, or Rosanne Barr for that matter, had any traction with voters they could get on the stage as well.

The fact is these candidates don’t represent the independent voters either.


13 posted on 10/15/2012 5:18:04 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: teflon9

Considering what’s happening to the GOP, we’re going to need a second party soon.


14 posted on 10/15/2012 5:20:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie; teflon9; All

A little thing called the Electoral College keeps it that way..


15 posted on 10/15/2012 5:23:59 AM PDT by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: rwilson99

By that logic, 99 percent of the cars on the road should be either GM or Ford.


16 posted on 10/15/2012 5:24:30 AM PDT by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: KevinDavis
Like I said, a proportional (as opposed to an odious winner-takes-all) electoral college would be a godsend. Fat chance of that ever happening, though.
17 posted on 10/15/2012 5:25:48 AM PDT by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: rbg81

The “debates” are a farce.


18 posted on 10/15/2012 5:27:55 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: teflon9

Oh, heck, let Rosanne Barr open with the national anthem...of course, provide earplugs for all present.


19 posted on 10/15/2012 5:28:44 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: CincyRichieRich

That could be a ratings booster. But her voice is a deadly weapon, so I don’t think the Secret Service would allow it!


20 posted on 10/15/2012 5:31:31 AM PDT by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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