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Union: Border agents opened fire on each other [Nick Ivie death]
Associated Press ^ | 10/7/2012 | BOB CHRISTIE

Posted on 10/07/2012 5:28:46 PM PDT by Hunton Peck

PHOENIX (AP) — The U.S. Border Patrol agent killed last week in a shooting in southern Arizona apparently opened fire on two fellow agents thinking they were armed smugglers and was killed when they returned fire, the head of the Border Patrol agents' union said Sunday.

The two sets of agents approached an area where a sensor had been activated early Tuesday from different directions early Tuesday and encountered each other in an area of heavy brush, National Border Patrol Council president George McCubbin said.

Agent Nicholas Ivie apparently opened fire first and wounded one of the other agents but was killed in the return fire.

"I don't know what it was he saw or heard that triggered this whole event," McCubbin said. "Unfortunately it resulted in his death and another agent injured."

Acting Cochise County Sheriff Rod Rothrock confirmed the scenario but would not say if Ivie was the first to shoot, saying that was up to the federal agencies involved.

The new details add to a FBI statement Friday that the shooting appeared to be a friendly fire incident that involved no one but the agents.

Sensors are set up in different areas along the U.S.-Mexico border to detect smugglers or illegal immigrants, with Border Patrol agents responding when they're set off. The shooting occurred in a rugged hilly area about five miles north of the border near Bisbee, Ariz., an area known for illegal trafficking.

McCubbin and Rothrock both said the two sets of agents knew the others were heading to the area on foot but apparently didn't know they were so close. McCubbin said he'd been briefed by the agency, while Rothrock's agency has been involved with the investigation.

"It was dark, very, very rugged terrain, and what they could see of each other was further..."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Mexico; US: Arizona; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: banglist; borderpatrol; borderwars; friendlyfire; gunrunner; janetnapolitano; murdergate; nickivie
There's a smell coming from this story...
1 posted on 10/07/2012 5:28:51 PM PDT by Hunton Peck
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To: SandRat

ping


2 posted on 10/07/2012 5:30:21 PM PDT by Hunton Peck ("Blasphemy" is to Islam as "swiftboating" is to Democrats: The speaking of truth to liars.)
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To: Hunton Peck

No kidding!!! The very idea that these two “groups” were not communicating and each knowing where the other is does not make a lick of sense!


3 posted on 10/07/2012 5:33:40 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Hunton Peck
Bullsh*t. As sensitive as this administration is to the shooting of mexican nationals on the border I have a hard time believing this guy, who's not around to defend himself of course, just decided to start blazing away at an unseen target.

BTW thats some union you got there, using the reputation of the dead agent to cover this administration's *ss.

4 posted on 10/07/2012 5:35:19 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Hunton Peck; HiJinx; Borax Queen; idratherbepainting; AZHSer; Sabertooth; A Navy Vet; ...

I don’t care who came up with this, I still thinl it’s a lie.


5 posted on 10/07/2012 5:39:32 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

I bet it was a video.


6 posted on 10/07/2012 5:41:05 PM PDT by CMailBag
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To: MestaMachine

Ping

OK....but...

The last time we saw a death “investigation” wrap up so fast was...a couple weeks ago when Chris Stevens died of smoke asphyxiation because his Libyan “friends” couldn’t carry him to the hospital fast enough to save him.


7 posted on 10/07/2012 5:46:41 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: Hunton Peck

Agreed


8 posted on 10/07/2012 5:51:55 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: SandRat

Cannot disagree.


9 posted on 10/07/2012 5:57:26 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Hunton Peck

Race war within the border patrol? I know one of them was white..


10 posted on 10/07/2012 6:00:32 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: no-to-illegals

Just another Obama cover up. Move along.


11 posted on 10/07/2012 6:01:45 PM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: Revolutionary

I think the first part is correct. Wonder how much this tale is costing?


12 posted on 10/07/2012 6:05:26 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Hunton Peck
Ivie's death marked the first fatal shooting of an agent since a deadly 2010 firefight with Mexican gunmen that killed U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010 and spawned congressional probes of a botched government gun-smuggling investigation.

1. It was a government gun-running operation, not a gun-smuggling investigation.

2. Conveniently omitted is the fact that this killing took place at the station named for the last agent killed on the border, Brian Terry.

Now why would you exclude such a fascinating detail from your story, AP? Because it makes the cover-story that much more implausible, perhaps?

13 posted on 10/07/2012 6:06:58 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Hunton Peck

Why did they have live ammo?


14 posted on 10/07/2012 6:17:47 PM PDT by 4buttons
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To: Hunton Peck

Died of a bean bag bullet??


15 posted on 10/07/2012 6:21:25 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Hunton Peck

I don’t believe it. These people are in continuing radio contact and just don’t start shooting. Remember they have to warn them in seven languages and then plead with them to cooperate and then they must take a lot of gunfire before they can perform defensive fire to cover their retreat. Sounds like some gun running, smuggling, sex slave trafficking, or money laundering gone wrong.


16 posted on 10/07/2012 6:21:55 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The law of unintended consequences is an unforgiving and vindictive b!tch!)
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To: Hunton Peck; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

First they said only three agents were involved and now there were four? Who was the fourth?
And THIS:
“In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, the Border Patrol and other federal and local agencies flooded the area with personnel looking for who they believed were assailants who had attacked the agents.”

“’That was the initial reports from the beginning,’ McCubbin said. ‘That was the reason for the saturation manhunt there. They even had permission to fly into Mexico. They were seeking people out. What this was based on, we’d have to assume it was based on the initial statements given by the agents on the scene.’”

makes even LESS sense.


17 posted on 10/07/2012 6:32:37 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason.)
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To: MestaMachine

Ha. They’re actively seeking out border agents who have gone off shooting at each other with ammo they don’t have.

Chaos agents, obviously. They need to get Smart. Or Smart needs to get them first.


18 posted on 10/07/2012 6:47:05 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: MestaMachine
"McCubbin said he'd been briefed by the agency..."

From article:

McCubbin and Rothrock both said the two sets of agents knew the others were heading to the area on foot

BUT...

Ivie was shot and killed while on horseback in the wee hours of Tuesday morning near the border of Naco, AZ.

From article:

"A visitation was to be held in Sierra Vista, Ariz., on Sunday night for Ivie, who is survived by his wife and two young daughters.

His funeral is set for Monday morning."

Autopsy conducted? Bullet recovery/identification?

19 posted on 10/07/2012 6:57:11 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: Hunton Peck

Hmmmm....I wonder if Agent Nicholas Ivie had any possible connection to “Fast and Furious”...Just a thought


20 posted on 10/07/2012 7:08:42 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: SandRat

agree


21 posted on 10/07/2012 7:13:26 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Hunton Peck

Another huge lie from the administration! Convenient thAt the shooter was shot himself. Wow the lengths to which thse people will go to avoid a touchy subject at election time is unparalleled.


22 posted on 10/07/2012 7:16:43 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: Hunton Peck

big smell


23 posted on 10/07/2012 7:24:46 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Hunton Peck
Sorry!

Not buying it!

Another coverup--piling sand on a fresh pile of excrement so the smell will not emanate from this admin. before the election.

vaudine

24 posted on 10/07/2012 7:33:13 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: Hunton Peck
Then who were the guys the Mexican police arrested?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/troops-arrest-killing-border-patrol-agent-article-1.1174163

25 posted on 10/07/2012 7:46:04 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: vette6387

Anything mentioned about Night Visor Goggles?


26 posted on 10/07/2012 8:08:48 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Hunton Peck

Bunch of liars, telling lies.


27 posted on 10/07/2012 8:32:46 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Hunton Peck

Evidently the Sinaloa boys are getting cover from the BP? I find that hard to believe.


28 posted on 10/07/2012 8:36:27 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: vette6387
You can't go charging into the desert and use phones or radios if you're hunting guys, especially at night. The desert floor has vegetation, but not grass. Desert soils are perfect media for bouncing sound. If you sit still long enough, you can hear the little critters and lizards scurrying along the ground, hitting bushes and other stuff.

Border patrol work is extremely dangerous and, as we have seen, deadly. No use at all to give the Mexicans ANY advantage.
29 posted on 10/07/2012 8:47:54 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: Hunton Peck

It sure does. I read that Soros was quietly buying the gun companies out. Why is he being allowed to do this? Got Marlin Firearms [is closing it’s doors] Got this in an email

THIS GUY SOROS IS FAR MORE DANGEROUS THAN OBAMA, WHO IS SIMPLY ONE OF HIS “DOG ROBBERS” OBAMA WILL BE GONE AFTER AWHILE, BUT WHAT WILL BE LEFT IS WHAT SOROS & HIS CRONIES WANT.

The best way to take away the guns, is to buy all the companies. Read on. Another sneaky underhanded job by Obama.

Read and Weep
Marlin Firearms is already closing its doors!
They are doing it to us, America! Even if you do not own a gun you need to know this. This needs to be spread to all gun owners and sportsman. We cannot rely on the media to inform us of these types of matters.

Something You May Not Know That Is Happening ... Who is buying companies, manufacturing guns??? For the last several years a company called The Freedom Group has been buying up gun and ammunition manufacturers. Some of the companies are Bushmaster, Marlin, Remington, DPMS, Dakota Arms and H&R.
Some people worry that this Freedom Group is going to control most of the firearms companies in the United States. If you control the manufacturers you can decide to
stop selling to civilians.

What a perfect way to control guns. Now if you do some digging you will see that The Freedom Group is owned by a company called Cerberus Capital Management. Guess who controls Cerberus??? GEORGE SOROS!!! He wants to restrict or ban all civilian guns. Please pass this on to all your freedom loving friends. This needs to come out. Why have we not heard about this in the “mainstream” media? I would think this would be BIG news. (Soros also owns Progressive Insurance). If you don’t know who George Soros is, you need to do some Research. He backed Obama with millions of dollars and Obama is a puppet on a string controlled by Soros. Send this to every gun owner in America.


30 posted on 10/07/2012 10:02:33 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freekitty

Thank You.


31 posted on 10/08/2012 5:00:28 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: no-to-illegals

Just found out this may not be true.


32 posted on 10/08/2012 5:52:10 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freekitty

You are true Red, White, and Blue. Thank You!


33 posted on 10/08/2012 6:06:10 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: no-to-illegals

Thank you


34 posted on 10/08/2012 7:40:17 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: SandRat

SandRat — I so agree with you, from the first time I heard the “rumor” to the “confirmations” I saw yesterday. All the news does is lie to us — from the headlines to the weather. I just about don’t believe anything they (or what they were spoon-fed by the goobt) tell us anymore.


35 posted on 10/08/2012 8:53:47 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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