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Police Fatally Shoot an Unarmed Driver on the Grand Central Parkway (National Guardsman)
NY Times ^ | October 4, 2012 | J. David Goodman and Wendy Ruderman

Posted on 10/05/2012 9:48:53 AM PDT by opentalk

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To: opentalk

today’s cops are no friends of any citizens.


51 posted on 10/05/2012 11:03:05 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: opentalk
Drivers, buckle up your seat belt and buckle on your armor.
52 posted on 10/05/2012 11:04:23 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: sten

all suspects are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law or shot dead in their car.


53 posted on 10/05/2012 11:04:23 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Ken H

“(Did I leave anything out?)”

Yes,: “the guy driving the car probably deserved it anyway”.


54 posted on 10/05/2012 11:04:47 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Tuanedge
From the article you linked

The defendants opted to have Justice Arthur J. Cooperman make a ruling rather than a jury. The ruling was handed down in a state supreme court in Queens.[45]

Reads to me "the fix is in."

55 posted on 10/05/2012 11:06:33 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: opentalk

personally i believe the huge volumes of cop shows on tv show cops breaking laws and shooting left and right, that these leo dolts believe they’re on any of the 12 CSI’s on tv, and that the shows accurately portray how they can do their policing. combine this with their first goal as a leo, officer safety above al else, and you get what we’re stuck with today. we’re all crooks and criminals and just haven’t been caught yet. cops are just jailers on the outside of the prison walls.


56 posted on 10/05/2012 11:07:26 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Roccus
“Bet this goes down as accidental discharge.”

I agree. Either it is murder or an accident. I think murder would be hard to prove unless the officer knew the guy or was a member of al-Qaeda.

Accidental discharge is very likely what happened. The state of mind of these officers is what is suspect. In these cases they seem to get hyper over nothing. Paranoid might be a better word.

Action MUST be taken against these reckless cops who are too quick to shoot both dogs and humans. This guy needs to be FIRED at a minimum. If he “accidentally” shot the guy, this type of mistake can not be tolerated in our police forces. When we allow them to use lethal force when necessary, there has to be a no tolerance policy for accidentally killing someone. OOPS my gun went off, just doesn't cut it. The one excuser in the article said ““It’s tragic and unfortunate,” he said. “Things like this happen. It’s sad. It’s not supposed to happen.”

THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN? Oh, well. Move along. There HAS to be severe consequences to the officers who kill dogs and humans. Take away their job, take away their guns, so they can never make a shooting mistake resulting in death again.

The death bell can not be unrung! Taking away the ability and opportunity from these careless officers, reduces greatly the likelihood they will be able to do it ever again.

57 posted on 10/05/2012 11:09:55 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: t1b8zs

no. if there was any reason to, they’d open the strap so the gun could be ready to draw. with the new restraining holsters today there aren’t even straps.


58 posted on 10/05/2012 11:10:50 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: t1b8zs

i see no reason to go with 1st degree. seriously.


59 posted on 10/05/2012 11:11:43 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Boogieman

I would love to have recorded the conversation when they debated claiming he threatened them with the drill and they shot in self defense.

Bet a hamburger that conversation occurred.


60 posted on 10/05/2012 11:13:52 AM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: livius

bloomers will never do that. his liberal compartmentalization will make him say “They need guns because the criminals are armed.” he doesn’t give a sh1t unarmed civilians are terrorized by the same armed criminals, because his city doesn’t have to pay medical bills, disability and death benefits to dead and injured civilian’s families.


61 posted on 10/05/2012 11:16:53 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: faucetman
18 USC § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both;

and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both;

and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

62 posted on 10/05/2012 11:20:14 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: opentalk

I was personally involved with a traffic incident in which an off-duty state trooper says I cut him off. He chased me for about 10 miles, stopping when I did, following when I proceeded, and passing against the double yellow line to keep up with me as I tried to intervening vehicles between us (I had no way to know he was an LEO. I dialed 911 to ask for assistance in where to drive to be safe from a potential attacker.

But he was on the phone with his buddies, and 4 cars came for me. They took my statement before revealing that I was the suspect, and not the good citizen as I had imagined.

They charged me with reckless driving, and the cop with nothing. It cost me $1500 for a lawyer to make it go away (the DA said she wasn’t going to put the cop through this.)

I couldn’t report it, because they would have had to reinstated the dismissed charge to defend the cop against my misconduct charge.

I tend to think virtually all cops have moral or mental problems, or are knowingly tolerant of those cops who do.


63 posted on 10/05/2012 11:20:14 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Dogbert41

That’s why I left working in Midtown 24yrs ago, and never went back. It was a liberal sewer and lawless hellhole, in the pre-Giuliani years.


64 posted on 10/05/2012 11:29:55 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Libs, dems, unions, leftist scum & murderous muzzies - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: Beelzebubba
NY Daily is reporting the police car was unmarked.

... said the shooting occurred after the cops in an unmarked car chased them when Polanco tried to maneuver around slow-moving traffic.

65 posted on 10/05/2012 11:33:11 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk
She said a group of officers swarmed the car, yelling for the three people in Mr. Polanco’s car to put their hands up. Mr. Polanco, whose hands were still on the steering wheel, had no time to comply, Ms. Deferrari said.

How do you put your hands up in a car???

If his hands were on the steering wheel, what more was the driver supposed to do???

Since time immemorial car drivers are told to keep their hands on the steering wheel when stopped so that the police can see them.

66 posted on 10/05/2012 11:41:55 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: faucetman

“Bet this goes down as accidental discharge.”
I agree. Either it is murder or an accident. I think murder would be hard to prove unless the officer knew the guy or was a member of al-Qaeda.


Why did the cop have his finger on the trigger if he didn’t intend to shoot? Everyone, even minimally trained to use handguns is taught that you don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot. If it was unintentional, then it should be negligent homicide.


67 posted on 10/05/2012 11:46:20 AM PDT by A. Patriot (Re-electing Obama is like the Titanic backing up to hit the iceberg again.)
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To: livius
I think they were all justifiable.

Yes, gunning down innocent civilians at the Empire State building for the fun of it was clearly justified. The cops needed the entertainment.

68 posted on 10/05/2012 11:47:44 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: t1b8zs
Like why even have a gun drawn in the 1st place. Is that SOP for a traffic stop

Good Question.

It must be why the police union officials were "perplexed by the shooting on the parkway" and are going to have to dance through hoops to explain this away.

69 posted on 10/05/2012 11:48:02 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: vette6387

Agreed 100%. When I was a kid we were in awe of police officers and their ‘to protect and serve’ (the people) mottos on their cars.. Cops have been transformed by unions ‘to protect and serve’ (THEIR GOV’T) now.


70 posted on 10/05/2012 12:01:53 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: opentalk

“I felt threatened.” Now pick up your 3 week paid vacation as a reward for you heroism in the line of duty.


71 posted on 10/05/2012 12:08:11 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: livius

Police departments have been asking to be stripped of their guns for a long time by training for triggerhappy. The answer may be to promote widespread trained CCW and disarm the police.


72 posted on 10/05/2012 12:10:30 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: opentalk
"Police sources identified the officer in Polanco’s car as 29-year-old Vanessa Rodriguez. She was waving her police ID out the window just before the shooting, sources said."
73 posted on 10/05/2012 12:11:36 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Roccus

I cannot beieve the lack of great training and correction of these hothead cops all over the nation. Unbelievable.


74 posted on 10/05/2012 12:13:37 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: opentalk
the shooting occurred after the cops in an unmarked car chased them when Polanco tried to maneuver around slow-moving traffic.

and the police in this unmarked car were upset that their unmarked car was cut off.

75 posted on 10/05/2012 12:20:55 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: A. Patriot
Why did the cop have his finger on the trigger if he didn’t intend to shoot?

Because he DID intent to shoot. Unlike you or me he will face no serious consequences for his actions. The odds of any criminal prosecution for this blatantly criminal act are basically nill, and any civil action will be born by the NYC taxpayers.

76 posted on 10/05/2012 12:50:24 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

Unfortunately, I think you are correct on all points.


77 posted on 10/05/2012 1:08:43 PM PDT by A. Patriot (Re-electing Obama is like the Titanic backing up to hit the iceberg again.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

1st degree in NY only counts if a cop gets killed. Reg’lar citizens don’t count as much.


78 posted on 10/05/2012 2:56:59 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus

Lords and serfs


79 posted on 10/05/2012 3:14:43 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: from occupied ga

The cop is a MUZLIM.


80 posted on 10/05/2012 8:27:02 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Roccus

<> Reg’lar citizens don’t count as much.<>

unless you’re an Occupy Wall Street protester:

“New York City refuses to defend the cop who pepper-sprayed OWS protesters”

http://rt.com/usa/news/newyork-city-cop-occupy-814/


81 posted on 10/06/2012 7:19:09 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip; All
You must be disappointed, "Uncle Chip"... No police beating women into submission this time.
82 posted on 10/06/2012 7:34:09 AM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: from occupied ga
Unlike you or me he will face no serious consequences for his actions

In fact, he will get some extra vacation time, or as it is called for the benefit of the proles, suspension with pay.Some time coming the police unions will discover the possibilities of this as a "job action" that works like a "sickout." If the union wants something before the contract is up and a strike would be illegal, a bunch of officers just go shoot citizens in he process of citing malfunctioning taillights or jaywalking. When enough officers are on their "suspensions with pay" the department loses the ability to function and will theoretically have to accede to the union demands.

83 posted on 10/06/2012 9:08:53 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: livius

Certainly send them out ON FOOT ~


84 posted on 10/07/2012 9:40:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ken H

All of that plus they were shooting at a cop and a cop wannabe ~ what’s not to like eh? (/s)


85 posted on 10/07/2012 9:42:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Roccus
1st degree in NY only counts if a cop gets killed. Reg’lar citizens don’t count as much.

And regular citizens don't count at all if they're killed by a cop

86 posted on 10/08/2012 4:11:33 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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