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Police Fatally Shoot an Unarmed Driver on the Grand Central Parkway (National Guardsman)
NY Times ^ | October 4, 2012 | J. David Goodman and Wendy Ruderman

Posted on 10/05/2012 9:48:53 AM PDT by opentalk

A New York police detective shot and killed an unarmed man, whose hands, a witness said, were on the steering wheel of his Honda, after he had been pulled over early Thursday for cutting off two police trucks on the Grand Central Parkway in Queens, the authorities said.

...The shooting, which occurred at 5:15 a.m., was the latest in a series of episodes in which police officers fatally shot or wounded civilians.

..A passenger in Mr. Polanco’s car, Diane Deferrari, said in a phone interview Thursday night that just before pulling the car over, officers appeared irate that Mr. Polanco had cut them off. She said that one of the officers — but not Detective Hamdy — stuck up his middle finger and was screaming obscenities from one of the moving police trucks.

“As soon as we stopped — they were rushing the car,” Ms. Deferrari said. “It was like an army.”

She said a group of officers swarmed the car, yelling for the three people in Mr. Polanco’s car to put their hands up. Mr. Polanco, whose hands were still on the steering wheel, had no time to comply, Ms. Deferrari said. At that instant, a shot rang out, and Mr. Polanco gasped for air, she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York
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1 posted on 10/05/2012 9:49:00 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

The NYC Keystone Kops claim another victim.


2 posted on 10/05/2012 9:53:46 AM PDT by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: opentalk
Quote:
"The detective, Hassan Hamdy, 39, a 14-year veteran assigned to the Emergency Service Unit, fired one bullet through an open window of the car,..."
Begs the question, was there something visible on the victims vehicle identifying the victim as an Army reservist which could enflame the muslim detective beyond his civil call to duty?
3 posted on 10/05/2012 9:54:20 AM PDT by wtd
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To: MeganC
They let the Occupy wallstreet protesters run wild. Seems this guy was killed during rush hour traffic for cutting in.
4 posted on 10/05/2012 9:56:26 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Did they find out if he had a dog so they could kill it as well?......../s?


5 posted on 10/05/2012 9:57:01 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: opentalk

Detective Hassan Hamdy? Hmmmm.


6 posted on 10/05/2012 9:58:04 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: opentalk

This doesn’t sound good for the NYPD...not good at all.


7 posted on 10/05/2012 9:58:27 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: opentalk

Even one of the union spokesmen said that this shooting may be questionable (apparently, for those who didn’t read the article, the cops in one car felt they had been cut off by the victim’s car, and gave him the finger as they went around him before they stopped him - however, this is the New York Times’ account).

Looking at the other shootings, I think they were all justifiable. But this shooting is probably the one that will give Bloomberg the basis for making the cops go out unarmed as British cops do. Start the body count...


8 posted on 10/05/2012 9:59:12 AM PDT by livius
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To: opentalk

Did he have a dog costume on?


9 posted on 10/05/2012 9:59:32 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: opentalk

These aren’t the cops you see on “BlueBloods”.


10 posted on 10/05/2012 10:00:46 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,)
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To: ColdOne
Did they find out if he had a dog so they could kill it as well?

They probably have not had time to get over to the poor guy's house to check for one...

11 posted on 10/05/2012 10:01:20 AM PDT by tpmintx (Problem: The people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who VOTE for a living.)
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To: opentalk

If this is as it seems then nothing short of Conviction of Murder is appropriate here.


12 posted on 10/05/2012 10:02:32 AM PDT by Revel
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To: opentalk
"All animals are equal... but some are more equal than others" ...


13 posted on 10/05/2012 10:03:12 AM PDT by WVKayaker (I'm more than happy to be Obama's "enemy of the week" - Sarah Palin)
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To: opentalk

Killed for cutting them off? In Queens? Everyone cuts everyone off in Queens.


14 posted on 10/05/2012 10:03:12 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: livius

Sorry, but if this driver’s hands were on the steering wheel he posed no threat. This sounds like a case of ROAD RAGE on the cops’ part. I understand their anger but if the guy PULLED OVER AND HIS HANDS WERE ON THE STEERING WHEEL, SHOOTING HIM DEAD was a bit excessive.


15 posted on 10/05/2012 10:04:08 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I wonder if the victim was in his reserve uniform?


16 posted on 10/05/2012 10:04:41 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: tpmintx

They will check for his home address then raid a neighbor (80 year old widow). Shoot her and her small toy poodle, Mitzi!


17 posted on 10/05/2012 10:06:56 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO, same for RINOs)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

A “bit” excessive? Good grief how about murder!

Have you ever driven in Queens?


18 posted on 10/05/2012 10:09:12 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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The story says the victim was shot in the abdomen. It seems like the cop would have to have been standing pretty close to the victim to do that unless he shot through the door.


19 posted on 10/05/2012 10:11:00 AM PDT by Kipp
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To: Kipp

Shot from passenger side.

Bet this goes down as accidental discharge.


20 posted on 10/05/2012 10:12:32 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus

Cops usually let loose once a round is fired. I’m surprised anyone in the car survived.


21 posted on 10/05/2012 10:14:06 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: opentalk

Sounds more like an execution than a “shooting”.


22 posted on 10/05/2012 10:14:19 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: opentalk

We used to call this murder.


23 posted on 10/05/2012 10:14:38 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: opentalk

I don’t like anything about NYC.


24 posted on 10/05/2012 10:16:07 AM PDT by Dogbert41 ("...The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God" Zech. 12:5)
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To: opentalk

At least in north Florida they don’t generally shoot you...they put you in handcuffs and take you to a flashlight party with a half dozen of their buddies.

The saying is “No One Says ‘No’ to the JSO”.


25 posted on 10/05/2012 10:18:57 AM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: opentalk

Just a little practice for when Ubama flips that Interwebs “off” switch and lets slip the dogs of genocide.


26 posted on 10/05/2012 10:18:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: driftdiver

“I’m on the job!” from the back seat may have saved them.


27 posted on 10/05/2012 10:21:03 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: driftdiver
Cops usually let loose once a round is fired. I’m surprised anyone in the car survived.

Makes you think all the other cops knew there was no reason to be shooting.

28 posted on 10/05/2012 10:21:09 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: opentalk

I, fortunately, have no direct experience with this, but it seems that many times, multiple officers will surround a suspect, all shouting conflicting orders. The person faced with that situation is essentially damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

It would seem prudent in these types of engagements, especially when pulling over someone on the freeway with no prior record (if they didn’t run the plates first, they probably should have) that one officer be pre-designated as the primary communicator and scene controller, either via rank, first on scene, or whatever, and the other officers remain silent unless making observations (such as “Gun!”).


29 posted on 10/05/2012 10:21:10 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: opentalk
Wait until ALL the facts are in before commenting. These heroes have a tough job. They just want to go home at night. Police are our friends. Anyone who disagrees is a cop hater!

(Did I leave anything out?)

30 posted on 10/05/2012 10:21:55 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

BINGO!


31 posted on 10/05/2012 10:23:29 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Ken H

My only comment was regarding the hands off approach to occupy wallstreet protesters -comparison. Hope more facts are coming. Like why not use a taser first. If appropriate.


32 posted on 10/05/2012 10:33:05 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Gay State Conservative
This doesn’t sound good for the NYPD...not good at all.

NOT TRUE! It will be ruled a good shoot. I guarantee it. There is almost never a case where a cop on duty shoots and kills someone where it is not ruled a good shoot. Ask Amadou Diallo ask Renaldo Cuevas Ask the nine people shot by police at the empire state building a couple of months ago (and how quickly THAT story died, eh)

The most recent exception to this that I'm aware of was in 2006 here in Atlanta where some white cops murdered a 92 year old black woman. basically went to the wrong address shot her to death and tried to cover up what happened. They were not convicted of murder and conspiracy after the fact, but rather violation of oath of office which carries a much lesser sentence. The only reason they were prosecuted at all was they were white and shot a black woman in black run Atlanta.

If a cop murders you or a family member, the only justice that you will get is if your remaining family takes condign action on their own.

33 posted on 10/05/2012 10:35:47 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Ken H

No I think you got them all. :-)


34 posted on 10/05/2012 10:37:09 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: opentalk

My comment wasn’t directed toward you.


35 posted on 10/05/2012 10:37:41 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: opentalk
2ND Degree Murder.
36 posted on 10/05/2012 10:37:53 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Ken H

Yes.

“Now kiddies put your heads down on your desks and take a nap”


37 posted on 10/05/2012 10:40:34 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: ColdOne

No, they didn’t find a dog so they shot the drill instead...it looked menacing.


38 posted on 10/05/2012 10:41:24 AM PDT by Cowgirl
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To: opentalk

Murder.


39 posted on 10/05/2012 10:41:43 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: opentalk

Like why even have a gun drawn in the 1st place.
Is that SOP for a traffic stop


40 posted on 10/05/2012 10:42:05 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: livius
But this shooting is probably the one that will give Bloomberg the basis for making the cops go out unarmed as British cops do. Start the body count...

Really? Bloomberg does NOT dislike guns per se. He dislikes guns NOT in the hands of the police. If you think he or any other liberal gives a gnat crap about the life of some citizen compared to their beloved thugs in blue, you've been living on a different planet universe

41 posted on 10/05/2012 10:42:34 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

“SHOOTING HIM DEAD was a bit excessive.”

NO, Shooting him dead was murder!!! It’s getting close to time for some serious payback for these instances of police criminal behavior. If the courts won’t start incarcerating these murderers, then the people need to take matters into their own hands. Cops have become a national disgrace, just union thugs with guns!


42 posted on 10/05/2012 10:42:58 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: from occupied ga
NOT TRUE! It will be ruled a good shoot. I guarantee it.

In terms of criminal prosecution you could be correct.You could even be correct in terms of the findings of a disciplinary board.But you *know* that there will be lawyers lined up out the door wanting to represent the family.Who knows what such a lawyer might turn up about the service records of the cops involved.Who knows what the lawyer might turn up on the cop with the moslem sounding name.I think it's more likely than not that the family has just won the lottery...if for no other reason than the City of New York wanting to settle this thing quietly so as to avoid "discovery".

43 posted on 10/05/2012 10:44:02 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: from occupied ga
Ask Sean Bell...another NYPD murder. It was the last straw for me, as far as giving LEOs an automatic benefit of the doubt.

And believe me, that was a last step on a long road.

44 posted on 10/05/2012 10:47:29 AM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: mass55th

“If women don’t find you handsome, they should at least find you Hamdy.”


45 posted on 10/05/2012 10:48:07 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Gay State Conservative

It was even worse for the poor guy they murdered.


46 posted on 10/05/2012 10:48:18 AM PDT by sport
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To: opentalk

sounds like an assassination

was there a romney bump sticker on his car?


47 posted on 10/05/2012 10:53:46 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Gay State Conservative
if for no other reason than the City of New York wanting to settle this thing quietly so as to avoid "discovery".

I agree. I was talking about criminal prosecution where the cop/criminal who committed the crime actually faces some consequences for his actions rather than the taxpayers taking it in the shorts.

48 posted on 10/05/2012 10:55:53 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: chrisser

Yes, that is much more sensible than all of them rushing the car barking orders.

Still, this would seem to have been a fairly standard traffic stop, and in those situations, there is no conceivable reason to rush the vehicle with guns drawn at all. That they did tells me that they must have been looking for an opportunity to shoot the guy, it’s the only explanation that makes any sense.


49 posted on 10/05/2012 10:56:48 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Tuanedge
Ask Sean Bell...another NYPD murder

Yeah him too. I got lazy about typing in examples of thugs in blue literally getting away with murder.

50 posted on 10/05/2012 10:58:57 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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