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The Cleveland Clinic, cited as a "model" by Obama, is actually illegal under Obamacare
wyblog.us ^ | Oct 4 2012 | wyblog.us - NOT MY BLOG - H.G!

Posted on 10/04/2012 4:20:17 PM PDT by NoLibZone

The Cleveland Clinic is owned by doctors. But thanks to Obamacare it's illegal for doctors to own hospitals.

Section 6001 of the health care law effectively bans new physician-owned hospitals (POHs) from starting up, and it keeps existing ones from expanding. It has already halted the development of 24 new physician-owned hospitals and forced an additional 47 to struggle to meet the deadline to complete construction, according to the Physician Hospitals of America (PHA).

You couldn't build the Cleveland Clinic today if you wanted to.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012debates; 2012electiondebates; clevelandclinic; debateone; debates; democrats; firstdebate; govtabuse; hospitals; nobama2012; obama; obamacare; physicianhospitals; poh; socialisthealthcare; tyranny

1 posted on 10/04/2012 4:20:28 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

Hope this becomes a debate talking point


2 posted on 10/04/2012 4:25:15 PM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: NoLibZone

Thanks for posting this. It made me remember a point I tried to make on the live debate thread, but couldn’t because FR was super slow. When Obama talked about the Cleveland Clinic and why it works, he said that doctors are evaluated on performance and aren’t paid by the number of procedures they perform. Obama really seemed to support that. His comment brought me to attention, because Obama and the Dems have historically been against performance evaluations for teachers. So why is it okay for doctors to have to undergo evaluations, but not teachers?


3 posted on 10/04/2012 4:28:21 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: NoLibZone
One byproduct of Death Care is that it will stymie research and development. Cleveland Clinic and other pre-eminent facilities will be screwed. And of course, so will patients. Little, if any, potentially life-saving research.
4 posted on 10/04/2012 4:31:49 PM PDT by fatnotlazy (The debate was a gunfight, and Obama brought a knife.)
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To: NoLibZone

bttt


5 posted on 10/04/2012 4:32:29 PM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (End the political class.......TERM LIMITS NOW!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Teacher317

Read the responses. It’s not physician-owned. The blog post is a misapplication of the Wikipedia article on its founding by physicians 90 years ago.


6 posted on 10/04/2012 4:37:15 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: fatnotlazy

They’ll set up a branch offshore, likely the Caribbean, where Americans (ones with money) desperate to secure care that is rationed or prohibited by the Death Panels can get to easily.


7 posted on 10/04/2012 4:37:17 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: fatnotlazy

Why didn’t Romney say Death Panels? He was careful not to say Death Panels.


8 posted on 10/04/2012 4:38:03 PM PDT by FreedBird
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To: FreedBird

Palinisms make everyone uncomfortable. Haven’t you heard?


9 posted on 10/04/2012 4:40:08 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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10 posted on 10/04/2012 4:43:25 PM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: FreedBird

This past week, Steve Rattner, the former car czar, admitted that “death panels would be inevitable.” I was hoping Mitt would say something about that, but then that would have made Obama’s head explode.


11 posted on 10/04/2012 4:46:46 PM PDT by bushbuddy
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To: FreedBird

I think we Freepers are among the few who equate Obamacare with death. Obama, DC politicians and the media are all careful not to mention death with Obamacare. It’s long past time for everyone including Romney, to tell it like it is.


12 posted on 10/04/2012 4:47:13 PM PDT by fatnotlazy (The debate was a gunfight, and Obama brought a knife.)
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To: bushbuddy

I thought Romney would bring up Czars and Obama’s power grabs. Maybe he will hit him on Fast and Furious and Holder must go in the next debate. It will be interesting to see what Ryan will say about some of these issues.


13 posted on 10/04/2012 4:51:35 PM PDT by FreedBird
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To: NoLibZone
Sorry. The Cleveland Clinic is a nonprofit organization owned and operated by the Cleveland Clinic Foundation. It was founded as a group practice by four doctors after WW-I but they are long gone and so is the privately owned entity. It might be true to say that it couldn't be founded under obamacare the way it was in 1921, but then, so what.
14 posted on 10/04/2012 4:57:03 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks NoLibZone. Who knew that a phony African-American faux-Chrisitan who’s never paid a bill or held a job wouldn’t know that?


15 posted on 10/04/2012 5:21:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: nascarnation

They have already built it. It’s in Abu Dhabi!

Ah, NOW, I get it!


16 posted on 10/04/2012 5:53:06 PM PDT by americas.best.days...
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To: NoLibZone
Section 6001 of the health care law effectively bans new physician-owned hospitals (POHs) from starting up, and it keeps existing ones from expanding

So you lose your civil rights because you went to medical school?

You're punished for achieving?

Who's allowed to own a hospital? Sub-literate illegal aliens?

They appear to have far more rights then the best Americans.

17 posted on 10/04/2012 6:00:12 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator
My hubby recently had back surgery, (stenosis). Talking with his Neurosurgeon and discussing Obamacare.

I had to let him know we sympathize with the medical profession, especially the Dr's.

I related to him the price for brain tumor surgery back in 1987, that Dr., spent 4 hours in surgery, cutting into the scalp, moving nerves and delicate tissue around the eyes, etc. and he only charged $1500. WHAT?

That Dr. spent 8 yrs in school, then internship, then more schooling, etc.etc.etc?? and all he got was $1500 for 4 hours of surgery???? Why a plumber makes more than that.

Hubbys Dr. said that is just about what they get today.

The govt. wants to limit how much Dr's. can make? YET, CongressCritters and Lawyers can make whatever they can suck/steal/mandate/tax off the public??? Unbelievable.

18 posted on 10/04/2012 8:44:01 PM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: FreedBird

Romney did a great job hammering Obama away.


19 posted on 10/05/2012 3:50:01 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SunkenCiv

.....And he was destroyed (Obama) by Mitt Romney on Wednesday night.


20 posted on 10/05/2012 3:57:05 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: nascarnation

And Romney was criticized for “investing” in the Caymans.

Seriously, the impact on medical R&D is going to be even more critical. Without incentives, there will be little R&D. My concern is that with deteriorating health care, we are setting ourselves up for a devastating epidemic. It could be something new or rare or exotic like Ebola, or it could be something very simple like antibiotic-resistant infections spread by lax hygiene, some of which we are already seeing.


21 posted on 10/05/2012 3:58:46 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: workerbee

Well Romney has destroyed Obama on Wednesday night. The next two debates will become the “mop-up” work. Cannot wait for the VP debate to take place. Rep. Ryan is going to expose VP Bidden bigtime.


22 posted on 10/05/2012 4:03:30 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Teacher317

If we really want to see costs come down in medicine we need more, not less competition.


23 posted on 10/05/2012 4:03:33 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: bushbuddy

This is what concerns me, since I am in my 50’s and three health battles this year alone, praise God I am now healed from them. But now I have become very, very guarded about my health and this stuff about “death panels” scares me.


24 posted on 10/05/2012 4:08:43 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
It might be true to say that it couldn't be founded under obamacare the way it was in 1921, but then, so what.

So the clinic that is the model of innovation that the President cites in his first debate could not be started under the President's rules? That is a BFD, to paraphrase Joe Biden.

Or are you of the illusion that the economy is a static thing. We already have one Cleaveland Clinic, so we will never need another?

25 posted on 10/05/2012 4:29:53 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (HELLO!!!!! MY... NAME... IS... INIGO!!! MONTOYA!!!!!!!!! YOU! KILLED! MY! FATHER!!!!!!!)
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To: NoLibZone

Does Mayo Brothers Clinic in Minnesota come under the same definition?


26 posted on 10/05/2012 9:58:52 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Haiku Guy
The Clinic as it is constituted today has nothing to do with the terms under which it was founded, which allegedly would be impermissable under Obamacare. Of course the economy is dynamic and the enterprise that wants to be successful will be also.

There is nothing in the way the Clinic operates today that would disqualify it under Obama care, given the necessary modifications, if any, being made. My point is, the article is based on inaccurate and/or outdated information.

27 posted on 10/05/2012 6:09:28 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
The Clinic as it is constituted today has nothing to do with the terms under which it was founded, which allegedly would be impermissable under Obamacare.

By what magical means do you determine that the way the Cleveland Clinic operates today, where doctors are permitted to control patient care and are not straight-jacketed by procedures dictated by non-doctors, has nothing to do with the fact that the business was founded by doctors in the first place?

Seems to me that there might just be some connection there...

Of course, there is no way to prove it, one way or the other. So how about this for a proposal... We can have a system where we let anybody who wants to found and run hospitals can found and run hospitals. That way the good models can thrive and the poor models can be run out of business, and people can have innovative medicine at reasonable prices.

We can call this system "freedom"...

Hey, it's so crazy, it just might work!

28 posted on 10/05/2012 7:42:25 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

The reason that Physician Owned Hospitals (PHO) are disallowed/limited from growing under Obamacare is because the American Hospital Associations have been complaining that PHO’s take too much of the profitable procedures and do not provide enough “free care”. Ostensibly they complained that the physicians were conflicted by making referrals to a hospital that they had a financial interest in. In the end, Obamacare is really meant to be anti competitive and that was the bone thrown to the hospitals. IMHO.


29 posted on 10/07/2012 7:46:02 PM PDT by GeaugaRepublican ( "DO OBAMA VOTERS EXIST?")
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