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Is Obama Introducing National Socialism to the United States?
Powerline ^ | 10/1/12 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 10/02/2012 6:11:37 AM PDT by Lakeshark

That is a big topic on which much can be said. The U.S. has dabbled in National Socialism before; elements of Roosevelt’s New Deal emulated Mussolini’s policies, and were implemented by men who made no secret of their admiration for Il Duce. But it has been a long time since anyone has seriously tried to turn the United States in a National Socialist direction.

Which is what Barack Obama seems to be doing. Consider his 983 executive orders, compared with George W. Bush’s 63. Or his extra-constitutional czars; or his illegal cramdown of bondholders in auto bankruptcies; or the explosion in warrantless wiretaps and the even greater explosion in federal regulations; or his “green energy” scams to distort the economy and enrich political cronies; or the recent revelation that the Obama family costs U.S. taxpayers something like twenty times what the British Royal Family costs its subjects. Or, more important, consider Obamacare, a classic top-down National Socialist program.

And then there is the matter of style. The cult of personality is central to National Socialism, and Obama is part of that tradition to a degree that is, frankly, creepy. Consider this Obama poster:
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As many observers have pointed out, this sort of image is fundamentally at odds with the American political tradition. Which, I suppose, is a point in its favor if you are Barack Obama. Compare the Obama poster with this one, which celebrated Lenin at the height of his dictatorial powers. The resemblance is eerie:

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KEYWORDS: bearinwoods; nationalsocialism; nazi; obama
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To: Lakeshark

I think it is beyond socialism. He is killing the constitution and taking control of the financial system. I think we are becomming a third world country


21 posted on 10/02/2012 6:54:33 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Lakeshark

None are so blind as those who will not see!


22 posted on 10/02/2012 6:55:40 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Lakeshark

Whether the current regime is more like Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Castro or Pol Pot, I think misses the point.

The point is that it has elements of all of those regimes and also some features that are entirely its own.

As someone once said (Mark Twain? not sure) “History doesn’t repeat itself, it rhymes.


23 posted on 10/02/2012 6:56:35 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Don Corleone

Better check the facts, folks. The man only has less than 200 EOs to date. Not sure where the 900 number has been floating around. However, it’d be fair game to analyze those EOs to see what they guy is passing.


24 posted on 10/02/2012 6:57:32 AM PDT by tenger (It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -Will Rogers)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Whether the current regime is more like Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Castro or Pol Pot, I think misses the point. The point is that it has elements of all of those regimes and also some features that are entirely its own.

Yep. I find it disgusting that some of the Axelrod conservatives think it's okay to stand by and allow Bambi four more years to finish his work.

25 posted on 10/02/2012 7:01:57 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Lakeshark
The Democrats believe they have been doing a great job with the middle class.

You just need to understand how they define the middle class.

26 posted on 10/02/2012 7:02:52 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: econjack
Good link by the way. I'm surpised the author got it wrong about the numbers of EO's, but he clearly did.

I don't think it changes the truth of his premise.

27 posted on 10/02/2012 7:03:53 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Lakeshark

“Consider his 983 executive orders, compared with George W. Bush’s 63.”

This outrageous fact is one that Romney should hammer home in EVERY debate. We do not need a kind or dictator running this country. There are millions of Americans with far better leadership skills than Obama has, so he is trying to turn the nation to Socialism by decree.

Romney ought to then pledge that he will reverse every one of these executive orders that should have gone through the Congress. Congress is constitutionally mandated to pass legislation, a duty not given to the Executive branch. Obviously, this has never been explained to the American people.


28 posted on 10/02/2012 7:05:47 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: econjack

I counted 152.


29 posted on 10/02/2012 7:11:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Well, Hitler did give us the autobahn, and the Volkswagen. /sarcasm.


30 posted on 10/02/2012 7:12:31 AM PDT by virgil
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To: ripley

Please make it identifiable from far away.


31 posted on 10/02/2012 7:14:35 AM PDT by DownInFlames (NN)
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To: Lakeshark; Flotsam_Jetsome; All

” - - - consider Obamacare, a classic top-down National Socialist program.”

Well said!


32 posted on 10/02/2012 7:19:16 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Lakeshark

They change the logo and the labels and the foolish fall for it every time.


33 posted on 10/02/2012 7:26:29 AM PDT by Iron Munro (US Embassies Come and Go But An Obama Apology Lasts Forever)
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To: Iron Munro

A better description is Tyrannical Socialism rather than Democratic Socialism


34 posted on 10/02/2012 7:28:07 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: ClearCase_guy; Viennacon; txrefugee; Vigilanteman; Lakeshark; tenger; 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten; ...
"-- basically he was a national socialist for the USSR. On the other hand, Trotsky was an internationalist and wanted to see revolution everywhere."

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Two years or so ago, people were calling him "progressive", most commonly. I disagreed, and wrote the following over two years ago, and it is very important today to realize what Obama (AKA "Dear Leader") and the rest of these Democrat leaders are, and that is much more akin to fascism than anything else.

People are now realizing just what the word "Progressive" means. The leftists needed a new name in America when the voters permanently soured on the direction "liberals" were pulling the country.

These super-liberals who call themselves "PROGRESSIVE" espouse a new form of government that is actually a synthesis of two previously existing government forms: Communism and Fascism.

When many use the word “fascist” they are simply using it as a pejorative. When people were calling Bush “fascist”, that was simply a smear. When I challenged them to define fascist, and they were unable to respond, I educated them. That reduced them to calling him monkey instead. Dear Leader has been RULING as a fascist (most recently demonstrated by this very article) as I will demonstrate.

However, when using "Fascist" here, I am NOT using it as a pejorative. It is attempting to describe as accurately as possible the system of government they espouse and are trying to bring about. I ran into a problem, though, when researching the question.

I excerpt part of http://open-encyclopedia.com/Fascism as a base for the analysis.

The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that

... The purpose of the government under fascism proper was to value itself as the highest priority to its culture in just being the state in itself, the larger scope of which, the better...

... The Nazi movement spoke of class-based society as the enemy, and wanted to unify the racial element above established classes. The Fascist movement, on the other hand, sought to preserve the class system and uphold it as the foundation of established and desirable culture...

...Fascism rejects the central tenets of Marxism, which are class struggle, and the need to replace capitalism with a society run by the working class in which the workers own the means of production. ...

[Fascism includes] capitalism ... This was a new capitalist system, however, one in which the state seized control of the organization of vital industries.

Look at the agenda the Progressives have undertaken since gaining control of Congress in 2006, and indeed before that time. Control of business, reduction of personal liberty, using propaganda and censorship to suppress opposition, social regimentation, higher taxes which clearly reduces personal liberty, expanding national government everywhere, even severe regimentation passing laws about light bulbs and on and on. Much of their agenda and methodology is VERY fascist.

However, bullet points 1 & 4 give us a problem whether we use nationalism or racism. Progressives certainly never goad people into a frenzy by extolling the virtues of the United States so are not nationalists in the typical sense of the word. They don’t use racism that way, either- they merely use it as a pejorative. Thus, we are not quite accurate in equating Progressivism with Fascism.

A digression concerning Nazi (National Socialist) vs. Fascist: Nazi is a subset of Fascist, but that subset does not include any more Progressive traits than Fascist.

What actually is needed to describe Progressives is Fascism that is NOT nationalist, at least nationalism in the sense of promotion of their own nation as superior.

They are not Socialist (Marxist), either. When have you EVER heard a Progressive politician or any of the Democrats extol the virtues of having a classless society? Certainly they don't desire that for themselves or their rich donors! They give lip service to "tax the rich" but never offer to divest themselves of the perks of their own office or wealth. They are most definitely in favor of a classes, with themselves in the highest class.

This brings up the following, from the same main source: http://open-encyclopedia.com/Communism

In terms of socio-economic systems, communism and socialism are two different things. For example, socialism involves the existence of a state, while communism does not...[and] abolishes private ownership altogether.

I’ve heard it argued that Communism has never been implemented, as a result. Apologies to Marx and Engels, but it is the supporters of communism who make that argument. Communism as it is now defined requires that there be NO “state”. Just as clearly, the "progressives" are not socialist as they aren't pushing for government ownership of industry.

This helps us gain some ground, though. Communism shares this major feature of "no state" with Progressivism! So, where are we now?

These super-liberals, including Dear Leader and those who are currently running congress, have been pushing CapNTax, ObamaCare, apologies for the US, making nice with sworn enemies, international law, eliminating military superiority, eliminating US economic superiority, etc.. In nearly EVERY area of our culture or economy that they have been pushing most fervently, they push for a leveling of the US with other nations, and attempt to remove national differences and boundaries. These fit with Communism, except that they have NO DESIRE to eliminate "classes" of people, or that the state OWN business- they only wish to CONTROL business as in Fascism (they have stated that they don't want to run the banks or auto companies) and they don't mind that their favored elites are billionaires and super-millionaires, just as in fascism. Like fascism, they desire to control individual thought and behavior and forcibly suppress dissent. (Witness the Dept.Justice dropping the charges of voter intimidation against the Black Panthers.)

Either we stipulate that the “whole world” is the “nation” for Dear Leader et al, to accurately describe their government philosophy, and state they are "ONE-WORLD FASCISTS", or we need a new word to describe their desired governmental system.

A word that would accurately synthesize their thinking is:

CommuFascist

The important point, though, is that whether this philosophy is labeled CommuFascist, or “Progressive” or One-World Fascists, analysis reveals that Dear Leader, Pelosi, and these super-liberals are espousing a MORE EXTREME FORM of Fascism and VERY extreme form of liberalism. Dear Leader is a “one-world” Mussolini.

Far from being pejorative, analysis reveals it is being generous when one describes as Fascist, not pejorative. We might be calling them something more extreme instead, “Progressive” or equivalently, CommuFascist.

35 posted on 10/02/2012 7:28:47 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Lakeshark

I’m am AMAZED at this question... I mean HERE, today, in 2012.

Of COURSE he is! We KNEW that; EVERYBODY knew that back in 2008!!!

What is up with the STUPIDITY of our culture???

We see the ‘brat’ tipping the paint can over; we KNOW that’s his intention. But we call him cute and awwww, isn’t that adorable. And then the paint ruins the expensive carpet. And THEN we start asking questions... “How did this happen???”

I’m at wits end.


36 posted on 10/02/2012 7:35:12 AM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: Lakeshark

“Is Obama Introducing National Socialism to the United States?”

Easy answer. Yes. That’s exactly what he’s doing. Cult of personality plus a reign of crony corporatism, with the corporations being controlled by the government.


37 posted on 10/02/2012 7:38:58 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Travis McGee

Spoooooooky!


38 posted on 10/02/2012 7:43:38 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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To: Viennacon
"No. National socialism implies that he has a sense of nationalism. Obama’s just a plain, old socialist."

Actually, I think Obama is closer to Marxism. BUT....the philsophy that the Democrat party has been implementing in this country for the last half-century is national socialism and not "international" socialism as espoused by Marx/Lenin/.....and all the rest.

39 posted on 10/02/2012 7:52:26 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: bert
A better description is Tyrannical Socialism rather than Democratic Socialism


40 posted on 10/02/2012 7:55:42 AM PDT by Iron Munro (US Embassies Come and Go But An Obama Apology Lasts Forever)
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