Skip to comments.Is Obama Introducing National Socialism to the United States?
Posted on 10/02/2012 6:11:37 AM PDT by Lakeshark
That is a big topic on which much can be said. The U.S. has dabbled in National Socialism before; elements of Roosevelts New Deal emulated Mussolinis policies, and were implemented by men who made no secret of their admiration for Il Duce. But it has been a long time since anyone has seriously tried to turn the United States in a National Socialist direction.
Which is what Barack Obama seems to be doing. Consider his 983 executive orders, compared with George W. Bushs 63. Or his extra-constitutional czars; or his illegal cramdown of bondholders in auto bankruptcies; or the explosion in warrantless wiretaps and the even greater explosion in federal regulations; or his green energy scams to distort the economy and enrich political cronies; or the recent revelation that the Obama family costs U.S. taxpayers something like twenty times what the British Royal Family costs its subjects. Or, more important, consider Obamacare, a classic top-down National Socialist program.
And then there is the matter of style. The cult of personality is central to National Socialism, and Obama is part of that tradition to a degree that is, frankly, creepy. Consider this Obama poster:
As many observers have pointed out, this sort of image is fundamentally at odds with the American political tradition. Which, I suppose, is a point in its favor if you are Barack Obama. Compare the Obama poster with this one, which celebrated Lenin at the height of his dictatorial powers. The resemblance is eerie:
(Excerpt) Read more at powerlineblog.com ...
The irony is that, despite all the branding of Republicans as “Nazis”, Obama is as close as we have come to having a National Socialist president since FDR. Ostensibly “private” industry taking orders from the government. That is Nazi-ism without, of course, the racial theory. Couple that with abortion on demand, which was one of the policies advocated by eugenicists, and you have something that comes as close to Nazi as we’ve had in a long, long time.
I’m no fan of Obozo, but when you argue with libs, you need to have your ducks in a row. Obozo has issue nowhere near 900+ Executive Orders. You can see EO’s by president at:
These people are the face of evil in our time.
To answer the question; Is the pope Catholic?
For perspective - frightening perspective - I recommend reading "The Vampire Economy. FReeper null and void mentioned it it a thread recently and I've been reading it. It is an account from 1939 of what it's like to do business in a fascist country. The parallels to FDR's regime, and more disturbingly to Obama's, should scare any American to death.
My mother who has had first hand dealings with real Nazis, says Obama reminds her of another charismatic ruler.
Scene in a supermarket in 2008, just before the election:
Two women running around gathering their groceries, looking very happy, speaking to each other as if they were ecstatic, while wearing all black, with “Obama” in white on the front of their shirts. (It really happened.)
If he’s elected again, the question is what color shirt his followers will choose; brown, black, or maybe
Always break it down to the two component words, National Socialist. As in, "I will always be against National Socialist Obamacare."
Then teach folks that Nazism and Communism are just two sides of the Socialist coin, pure statist and totalitarian ideologies, differing only in their choice of state enemies.
So Socialism is Statism, at one end of the spectrum. Constitutionalism is at the other end. I avoid "right and left" just like "red state / blue state" or even "liberal / conservative."
The left misuses those dichotomies, such as when they call repressive regimes in the Middle East "conservative" or "right-wing."
So don't use the statists' vocabulary. Don't "fight on their ground." Always distinguish between Socialist/Statist at the tyrannical end, and Constitutional or Liberty-oriented at the freedom end.
Using their language gives them a victory before the debate even begins.
No. National socialism implies that he has a sense of nationalism. Obama’s just a plain, old socialist.
In my experience in Cambridge, MA in the 1970s and 1980s, the Trotskyites were the really active leftists. I see Obama as a follower of Trotsky and of Mao. I do think his implemention is basically fascist, but -- as you say -- he is not really a nationalist at all.
A mesmerizing voice.
People to blame ("Rich crackers")
An economy going downhill.
Czars (In America!!!)
The view of Congress as an impediment (and looking for ways around it) rather than an equal branch of Government.
Buddying up to the Muslim Brotherhood (who had their origins closely tied to ... You guessed it! The Nazis.)
I'm just waiting for the Reichstag Fire.
Like a rapist identifying himself before the act.
Hi, I'm a mulatto bastard, STFU and bend over.
Yes, and nothing can be done about it
I think it is beyond socialism. He is killing the constitution and taking control of the financial system. I think we are becomming a third world country
None are so blind as those who will not see!
Whether the current regime is more like Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Castro or Pol Pot, I think misses the point.
The point is that it has elements of all of those regimes and also some features that are entirely its own.
As someone once said (Mark Twain? not sure) “History doesn’t repeat itself, it rhymes.
Better check the facts, folks. The man only has less than 200 EOs to date. Not sure where the 900 number has been floating around. However, it’d be fair game to analyze those EOs to see what they guy is passing.
Yep. I find it disgusting that some of the Axelrod conservatives think it's okay to stand by and allow Bambi four more years to finish his work.
You just need to understand how they define the middle class.
I don't think it changes the truth of his premise.
“Consider his 983 executive orders, compared with George W. Bushs 63.”
This outrageous fact is one that Romney should hammer home in EVERY debate. We do not need a kind or dictator running this country. There are millions of Americans with far better leadership skills than Obama has, so he is trying to turn the nation to Socialism by decree.
Romney ought to then pledge that he will reverse every one of these executive orders that should have gone through the Congress. Congress is constitutionally mandated to pass legislation, a duty not given to the Executive branch. Obviously, this has never been explained to the American people.
I counted 152.
Well, Hitler did give us the autobahn, and the Volkswagen. /sarcasm.
Please make it identifiable from far away.
” - - - consider Obamacare, a classic top-down National Socialist program.”
They change the logo and the labels and the foolish fall for it every time.
A better description is Tyrannical Socialism rather than Democratic Socialism
Two years or so ago, people were calling him "progressive", most commonly. I disagreed, and wrote the following over two years ago, and it is very important today to realize what Obama (AKA "Dear Leader") and the rest of these Democrat leaders are, and that is much more akin to fascism than anything else.
People are now realizing just what the word "Progressive" means. The leftists needed a new name in America when the voters permanently soured on the direction "liberals" were pulling the country.
These super-liberals who call themselves "PROGRESSIVE" espouse a new form of government that is actually a synthesis of two previously existing government forms: Communism and Fascism.
When many use the word fascist they are simply using it as a pejorative. When people were calling Bush fascist, that was simply a smear. When I challenged them to define fascist, and they were unable to respond, I educated them. That reduced them to calling him monkey instead. Dear Leader has been RULING as a fascist (most recently demonstrated by this very article) as I will demonstrate.
However, when using "Fascist" here, I am NOT using it as a pejorative. It is attempting to describe as accurately as possible the system of government they espouse and are trying to bring about. I ran into a problem, though, when researching the question.
I excerpt part of http://open-encyclopedia.com/Fascism as a base for the analysis.
The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that
- exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual,
- uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition,
- engages in severe economic and social regimentation, and
- espouses nationalism and sometimes racism or ethnic nationalism. ,
... The purpose of the government under fascism proper was to value itself as the highest priority to its culture in just being the state in itself, the larger scope of which, the better...
... The Nazi movement spoke of class-based society as the enemy, and wanted to unify the racial element above established classes. The Fascist movement, on the other hand, sought to preserve the class system and uphold it as the foundation of established and desirable culture...
...Fascism rejects the central tenets of Marxism, which are class struggle, and the need to replace capitalism with a society run by the working class in which the workers own the means of production. ...
[Fascism includes] capitalism ... This was a new capitalist system, however, one in which the state seized control of the organization of vital industries.
Look at the agenda the Progressives have undertaken since gaining control of Congress in 2006, and indeed before that time. Control of business, reduction of personal liberty, using propaganda and censorship to suppress opposition, social regimentation, higher taxes which clearly reduces personal liberty, expanding national government everywhere, even severe regimentation passing laws about light bulbs and on and on. Much of their agenda and methodology is VERY fascist.
However, bullet points 1 & 4 give us a problem whether we use nationalism or racism. Progressives certainly never goad people into a frenzy by extolling the virtues of the United States so are not nationalists in the typical sense of the word. They dont use racism that way, either- they merely use it as a pejorative. Thus, we are not quite accurate in equating Progressivism with Fascism.
A digression concerning Nazi (National Socialist) vs. Fascist: Nazi is a subset of Fascist, but that subset does not include any more Progressive traits than Fascist.
What actually is needed to describe Progressives is Fascism that is NOT nationalist, at least nationalism in the sense of promotion of their own nation as superior.
They are not Socialist (Marxist), either. When have you EVER heard a Progressive politician or any of the Democrats extol the virtues of having a classless society? Certainly they don't desire that for themselves or their rich donors! They give lip service to "tax the rich" but never offer to divest themselves of the perks of their own office or wealth. They are most definitely in favor of a classes, with themselves in the highest class.
This brings up the following, from the same main source: http://open-encyclopedia.com/Communism
In terms of socio-economic systems, communism and socialism are two different things. For example, socialism involves the existence of a state, while communism does not...[and] abolishes private ownership altogether.
Ive heard it argued that Communism has never been implemented, as a result. Apologies to Marx and Engels, but it is the supporters of communism who make that argument. Communism as it is now defined requires that there be NO state. Just as clearly, the "progressives" are not socialist as they aren't pushing for government ownership of industry.
This helps us gain some ground, though. Communism shares this major feature of "no state" with Progressivism! So, where are we now?
These super-liberals, including Dear Leader and those who are currently running congress, have been pushing CapNTax, ObamaCare, apologies for the US, making nice with sworn enemies, international law, eliminating military superiority, eliminating US economic superiority, etc.. In nearly EVERY area of our culture or economy that they have been pushing most fervently, they push for a leveling of the US with other nations, and attempt to remove national differences and boundaries. These fit with Communism, except that they have NO DESIRE to eliminate "classes" of people, or that the state OWN business- they only wish to CONTROL business as in Fascism (they have stated that they don't want to run the banks or auto companies) and they don't mind that their favored elites are billionaires and super-millionaires, just as in fascism. Like fascism, they desire to control individual thought and behavior and forcibly suppress dissent. (Witness the Dept.Justice dropping the charges of voter intimidation against the Black Panthers.)
Either we stipulate that the whole world is the nation for Dear Leader et al, to accurately describe their government philosophy, and state they are "ONE-WORLD FASCISTS", or we need a new word to describe their desired governmental system.
A word that would accurately synthesize their thinking is:
The important point, though, is that whether this philosophy is labeled CommuFascist, or Progressive or One-World Fascists, analysis reveals that Dear Leader, Pelosi, and these super-liberals are espousing a MORE EXTREME FORM of Fascism and VERY extreme form of liberalism. Dear Leader is a one-world Mussolini.
Far from being pejorative, analysis reveals it is being generous when one describes as Fascist, not pejorative. We might be calling them something more extreme instead, Progressive or equivalently, CommuFascist.
I’m am AMAZED at this question... I mean HERE, today, in 2012.
Of COURSE he is! We KNEW that; EVERYBODY knew that back in 2008!!!
What is up with the STUPIDITY of our culture???
We see the ‘brat’ tipping the paint can over; we KNOW that’s his intention. But we call him cute and awwww, isn’t that adorable. And then the paint ruins the expensive carpet. And THEN we start asking questions... “How did this happen???”
I’m at wits end.
“Is Obama Introducing National Socialism to the United States?”
Easy answer. Yes. That’s exactly what he’s doing. Cult of personality plus a reign of crony corporatism, with the corporations being controlled by the government.
Actually, I think Obama is closer to Marxism. BUT....the philsophy that the Democrat party has been implementing in this country for the last half-century is national socialism and not "international" socialism as espoused by Marx/Lenin/.....and all the rest.
No, it’s much worse than that.
“Consider his 983 executive orders, compared with George W. Bushs 63...”
If Obama gets re-elected, by the time the next term is done, it will have become 9,830 executive orders — especially if the House stays Republican...
EXECUTIVE ORDERS ISSUED:
Teddy Roosevelt: 3
Others Prior To FDR: NONE
FDR: 11 in 16 years
Truman: 5 in 7 years
Ike: 2 in 8 years
JFK: 4 in 3 years
LBJ: 4 in 5 years
Nixon: 1 in 6 years
Ford: 3 in 2 years
Carter: 3 in 4 years
Reagan: 5 in 8 years
Bush 1: 3 in 4 years
Clinton: 15 in 8 years
Bush 2: 62 in 8 years
Obama: 923 in 3½ years!
If you dont get the implications youre not paying attention. How many warnings do you need? Scary!
“Using their language gives them a victory before the debate even begins.”
And that’s why when they use the word “racist” against you, the WORST response possible is to protest “I’m not a racist, but....”.
By doing so you have surrendered and lost the battle, before you’ve gotten your dukes up.
I agree, it doesn’t change the fact that Obozo is trying to skirt the Congress to get his agenda through. There was an email circulating not too long ago with the 900+ EO number in it. There’s nothing wrong with arguing this point, but it helps when you’re armed with the correct count.
JUNE 15, 2012 BY LAURIE ROTH
There have been over 900 Executive Orders put forth from Obama, and he is not even through his first term yet. He is creating a martial law 'Disney Land' of control covering everything imaginable. Thanks to 'Friends of Conservative Action Alerts.' They have compiled a choice list of 'Emergency Powers, Martial law executive orders': Get your headache medication out while you still can without a prescription.
* Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
* Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
* Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.
* Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
* Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions.
* Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
* Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
* Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.
* Executive Order 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.
* Executive Order 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen-year period.
* Executive Order 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
* Executive Order 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute Industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
* Executive Order 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit, and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the president declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.
It is more than clear Obama is planning for the control and fundamental transformation (i.e. takeover) of America, probably via Martial Law. Food, energy, transportation, work, banking, and health. he already has it covered. While Obama is busy pulling executive orders out of the sky to control everything inside our country, he has been issuing executive orders to force us to submit to international regulations instead of our Constitution.
I think we’re long past introductions.
Take a peek at the link on post #3.
Agree with you. National Socialism is tinged with a distorted sense of patriotic fervor. Obama is more of an internationalist/globalist.
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