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To: count-your-change
I don't see where Dolan or any other faithful Catholic would disagree with you. Fornication is immoral: and fornication means any sexual relations other than between the lawfully wedded husband and wife.

Whether there's any risk of pegnancy and disease or not, fornication is never "virtue." Chastity is the virtue: and chastity for the unmarried entails abstinence, not fornication whatever the circumstances.

34 posted on 09/25/2012 5:09:59 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; count-your-change
I don't see where Dolan or any other faithful Catholic would disagree with you. Fornication is immoral

Immoral, yes. I believe c-y-c may have been referring to a thread several years back, wherein a Catholic FReeper advanced the argument that 14 was the age of consent, and therefore a priest could not be tried for statutory rape or sexual abuse if the underage male was at least 14 years of age.

I'll leave it to others to decide if this person could be considered a "faithful Catholic".

35 posted on 09/25/2012 5:28:50 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It's not a matter of disagreement, it's a matter of the basis for making an argument. If I tell my child not to steal since jail may await they can answer me by being more careful.

Avoiding jail is a practical reason but not, NOT the chief, highest reason to not steal.

“Fornication is immoral:...” How would any Catholic know this? No fornication then no birth control or abortion or AIDS amongst the unmarried.
Is that the message? Or is just don't get caught?

Jesus gave the principle that to those given much, much would be demanded and hence could chastise Nicodemus for being a shepherd of Israel and yet not knowing what Jesus explained.

36 posted on 09/25/2012 5:56:22 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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