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Cardinal Dolan Slams Giving Morning After Pills to 14-Year-Olds
Life News ^ | September 25, 2012 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 09/25/2012 2:08:24 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 09/25/2012 2:08:31 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 09/25/2012 2:09:08 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer
Is Dolan against 14 year olds having sexual intercourse and what of the males involved? Are they not guilty of child molestation? Rape?

What say you Cardinal? No need for a pill unless there is pillage.

3 posted on 09/25/2012 2:18:56 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: NYer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9vQt6IXXaM

This needs to go around again and again for the next two months.


4 posted on 09/25/2012 2:28:31 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: NYer

Turning them into little Sandra Flukes is so much easier than teaching them to be decent, moral young ladies. That is so passe.


5 posted on 09/25/2012 2:33:00 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: NYer

Well, Cardinal Tim, tell your flock to stop voting for Democrats, and you’ll see less of this indignity.


6 posted on 09/25/2012 2:33:43 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: NYer

>unless the parents opt out of the program after receiving a school letter informing them of the new policy.

If I’m reading this correctly, the parents can refuse their female child receiving this pill.

That seems backwards. Perhaps it should be given only if their parent(s) opt in?


7 posted on 09/25/2012 2:35:27 PM PDT by soycd
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To: count-your-change
"Abstinence before marriage is the only sure way to avoid pregnancy and disease, while also allowing minors to practice virtue and responsibility. The public schools would be better advised to promote what truly works rather than continuing to follow a failed experiment that will only lead to further problems for society and for young people."

There's your answer. Quote from Dolan's article.

8 posted on 09/25/2012 2:38:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: soycd

If I’m reading this correctly, the parents can refuse their female child receiving this pill.

Yes, if the girl gives the no-permission slip to the parent to sign, and returns it to the school. If she “forgets”, she is on the list of girls who can receive the pill.

My brain is imagining the Law Firm Ads on tv in another ten years: If you have ever received or think you have received this pill from a school nurse, please contact Slip & Fall, LLC.


9 posted on 09/25/2012 2:44:30 PM PDT by maica
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To: NYer; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

Bob Dolan is right!


10 posted on 09/25/2012 2:45:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Strange how you could consider his statements as an endorsement of Obama. Romneybots see an enemy behind any reasoned thought.


11 posted on 09/25/2012 2:54:24 PM PDT by brightright
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To: count-your-change
Is Dolan against 14 year olds having sexual intercourse and what of the males involved?

If you're a toxic a**hole who absolutely MUST find fault in any and all things Catholic, I suppose an utterly moronic question like this would make some type of sense.

The rest of us - you know, people capable of linear thought - understand that Dolan is very much against 14 years olds (male and female) having sexual intercourse.

13 posted on 09/25/2012 3:12:02 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
No, it isn't an answer at all since males don't become pregnant and according to me dear old mother..it takes two to tango..always has.

One of the arguments against sex before marriage was possible pregnancy and/or disease. A practical argument but not a moral one since both may be prevented with care.

So is sex before marriage primarily a moral issue or just a matter of “virtue and responsibility” that might be met by engaging in so-called “safe sex”?

If the first then males must be brought into the picture instead of telling some teenage girl, “Don't get pregnant” as if it's something she does all by herself or is solely responsible for.

If the latter then science will determine morality by how well it prevents a few of the results of immoral acts.

Dolan says, “”Abstinence before marriage is the only sure way to avoid pregnancy and disease, while also allowing minors to practice virtue and responsibility”.

The young say using reliable birth control meets his criteria without the abstinence. And since Dolan nor any other priest will penalize fornication what is he really saying except that abstinence works better than birth control (not in question).

On what basis is he making an argument against sex before marriage? Primarily the use of birth control as immoral rather than fornication as being immoral.

And it's failing.

14 posted on 09/25/2012 3:22:18 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: NYer

Bring back the fire & brimstone.


15 posted on 09/25/2012 3:26:35 PM PDT by FES0844
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To: NYer

Um.. hello?

We’re talking about a school district that uses a sex positive sex ed starting at 11. There is NO opt out.

They want these kids having sex and not buying soda


16 posted on 09/25/2012 3:34:44 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

My thoughts, exactly, AFTR!!

Thanks for expressing the REAL problem!

Priests and pastors can no longer stand by behind their tax shelters-they need to be telling their congregations the truth.


17 posted on 09/25/2012 3:35:58 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady ("When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: FES0844

Oh, I think it’s coming...


18 posted on 09/25/2012 3:36:10 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: NYer

They would never dare in a million years to pass out such powerful and body damaging drugs to young males.

This is the real sexism.


19 posted on 09/25/2012 3:37:15 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: NYer

A simple question is relevant here: should the 14 , 15, 16, or 17 yr old become pregnant and NOT take the “morning after pill” or other “emergency contraception,” will the school take “other measures to end the pregnancy?”


20 posted on 09/25/2012 3:39:21 PM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: GeronL

” They want these kids having sex and not buying soda”

That’s it.


21 posted on 09/25/2012 3:41:59 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: brightright

No, no, no. Cardinal Doloan released a typical Bishop’s wishy-washy statement about Paul Ryan when he was nominated — saying that he liked Ryan and could work with him, even though he had sharp disagreements with him. That statement was used by my Pastor to disavow support for Ryan. Dolan was the Archboishop of Milwaukee before he was the NY Cardinal and knows Ryan well.

I’m not saying that my Pastor is supporting Obama, but he certainly didn’t point out that Obama unequivocally supports abartion — even after birth! Instead he went on with another wishy-washy statement about “Support for Life just doesn’t mean abortion. Support for Life also means helping the poor and the immigrant.”

This kind of muddled thinking offers refuge for those Catholic who do the unthinkable — vote for Obama and his crew, the abortionists in chief.

The Bishops issue these Letters to the Faithful every year that are so convoluted that nobody reads them. This year’s has 11 parts — each 2 pages, I think. Just get to the basics, such as the letter recently issued by CatholicVote.org/compare2012. 5 points.


22 posted on 09/25/2012 3:51:11 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: AAABEST
“The rest of us - you know, people capable of linear thought - understand that Dolan is very much against 14 years olds (male and female) having sexual intercourse.”

I'm sure he is but how would anyone know when his main objection seems to be against birth control and abortficents like a “morning after” pill?

Exactly why is Dolan against 14 year olds (or any one of any age) engaging in sex outside of marriage?

St. Paul said fornicators along with murders would not inherit God's Kingdom, period. Is that Dolan’s basis for objection to premarital sex?

“If you're a toxic a**hole who absolutely MUST find fault in any and all things Catholic, I suppose an utterly moronic question like this would make some type of sense”

I'm sorry. I seem to have brought out some ill concealed vulgarities of thought but you did say that you're a person “capable of linear thought”. Just what were you thinking? Never mind, I don't want to know!

23 posted on 09/25/2012 4:01:17 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: NYer
Sounds like Cardinal Dolan is kind of slow to pick up on some things.

Someone should tell him that his majestic cathedral sits in the middle of a nihilistic, pagan city that ain't going to get any better.

24 posted on 09/25/2012 4:03:12 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: count-your-change
Is Dolan against 14 year olds having sexual intercourse


25 posted on 09/25/2012 4:10:52 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: brightright

Huh ... seriously? Can’t you read?


26 posted on 09/25/2012 4:10:57 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: count-your-change
Exactly why is Dolan against 14 year olds (or any one of any age) engaging in sex outside of marriage?

Are you serious?

27 posted on 09/25/2012 4:12:05 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The article and statements were concerning morning after pills for 14yr old children. I am sure you are aware these pills are abortion pill. I don’t understand why you would support that type of program. Both Obama and Romney support abortion.


28 posted on 09/25/2012 4:21:46 PM PDT by brightright
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To: Jean S
Of course I'm serious and your question doesn't answer the question. If you wish to answer, do so with Dolan’s words or something close to it but don't bother with a “Are you serious?”
29 posted on 09/25/2012 4:27:08 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Alex Murphy

There are those amongst us who do not understand a rhetorical question. One struggles against the tide of low standards.


30 posted on 09/25/2012 4:40:23 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

“Exactly why is Dolan against 14 year olds (or any one of any age) engaging in sex outside of marriage?”

Most of these young girls are from the ghetto and most would not in that shape if they could outrun their brothers.


31 posted on 09/25/2012 4:41:50 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: EnquiringMind

I find it so sad that people think it is fine for Public schools to provide abortions for 14yr old children without notifying their parents. Attacking someone who speaks out against it is trying to make it a political issue. Both Obama and Romney are pro abortion. Shows the moral decline of the Country.


32 posted on 09/25/2012 4:41:59 PM PDT by brightright
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To: NKP_Vet
Don't be ridiculous. Fifty years ago the poor, black and white had a much lower rate of out of wedlock pregnancy.

If by “young girls are from the ghetto” you mean blacks it was clear fifty years ago that the trend would lead to where it is today.
Young males father children they have no intention or ability to care for and the females act as though they are moral idiots as their offspring fill the prisons and graveyards.

And still the so-called shepherds cannot bring themselves to say what fornication is and why it's so wrong.

It's not their brothers the females have to outrun but the cowardice of the mush-mouthed ministers who have abdicated their responsibility to keep their jobs.

33 posted on 09/25/2012 5:06:24 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
I don't see where Dolan or any other faithful Catholic would disagree with you. Fornication is immoral: and fornication means any sexual relations other than between the lawfully wedded husband and wife.

Whether there's any risk of pegnancy and disease or not, fornication is never "virtue." Chastity is the virtue: and chastity for the unmarried entails abstinence, not fornication whatever the circumstances.

34 posted on 09/25/2012 5:09:59 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; count-your-change
I don't see where Dolan or any other faithful Catholic would disagree with you. Fornication is immoral

Immoral, yes. I believe c-y-c may have been referring to a thread several years back, wherein a Catholic FReeper advanced the argument that 14 was the age of consent, and therefore a priest could not be tried for statutory rape or sexual abuse if the underage male was at least 14 years of age.

I'll leave it to others to decide if this person could be considered a "faithful Catholic".

35 posted on 09/25/2012 5:28:50 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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It's not a matter of disagreement, it's a matter of the basis for making an argument. If I tell my child not to steal since jail may await they can answer me by being more careful.

Avoiding jail is a practical reason but not, NOT the chief, highest reason to not steal.

“Fornication is immoral:...” How would any Catholic know this? No fornication then no birth control or abortion or AIDS amongst the unmarried.
Is that the message? Or is just don't get caught?

Jesus gave the principle that to those given much, much would be demanded and hence could chastise Nicodemus for being a shepherd of Israel and yet not knowing what Jesus explained.

36 posted on 09/25/2012 5:56:22 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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OK, now I'm confused. Is this a discussion of the legal definition of rape--- the definition under which a person can be legally indicted and tried? Therefore, I suppose, criminal statutes, which would vary by country and by state?

Or are we talking about a moral definition -- a discussion of different types of sins?

What is unlawful via moral law would be far more extensive thatn what is unlawful under criminal law.

Or is there some confusion of categories here?

37 posted on 09/25/2012 6:01:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of interrogation.)
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OK, now I'm confused. Is this a discussion of the legal definition of rape--- the definition under which a person can be legally indicted and tried? Therefore, I suppose, criminal statutes, which would vary by country and by state?

Or are we talking about a moral definition -- a discussion of different types of sins?

What is unlawful via moral law would be far more extensive thatn what is unlawful under criminal law.

Or is there some confusion of categories here?

38 posted on 09/25/2012 6:02:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of interrogation.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Immorality is “immoral” not just because of some possible bad consequences but because Our Creator says so. That sometime in the future we may reap what is sown may reinforce that fact but that is not the reason to avoid immorality.

“....the argument that 14 was the age of consent, and therefore a priest could not be tried for statutory rape or sexual abuse if the underage male was at least 14 years of age.”

Secular law might be unable to do anything but secular law is only designed to preserve the state not concern its self with morals.


39 posted on 09/25/2012 6:12:43 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: brightright

I don’t support abortion. Paul Ryan does not support abortion. Romney supports abortion only to save the life of the mother. Obama supports both abortion and infanticide. Biden supports Roe v. Wade (abortion). What is your problem? Can’t you read? Or are you just a tool of the devil, constantly mis-representing my words?


40 posted on 09/25/2012 6:19:04 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: count-your-change

“It’s not their brothers the females have to outrun but the cowardice of the mush-mouthed ministers who have abdicated their responsibility to keep their jobs”

You are partly right. The vast majority of these little girls are black that grew up in a fatherless home. The “mush-mouthed ministers” you are referring to are the black ministers that depend on free welfare handouts from the democratic party and most of them have had children out of wedlock. The “reverend” Jesse Jackson being the prime example.


41 posted on 09/25/2012 6:38:08 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Well at least we both agree on abortion. However Romney recently stated he supported abortion in cases of rape, incest, HEALTH and life of the mother. Health of the mother pretty much covers everything, morning sickness, headaches, and depression it is pretty much a code word for abortion on demand. I still do not understand why you would object to someone pointing out the evil of schools providing abortions to children.


42 posted on 09/25/2012 6:40:00 PM PDT by brightright
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To: soycd

It IS backwards if you think the parents’ opinions are important. The administrators of this program obviously think access to the drug is more important than parents’ knowledge/approval. They are using “Nudge” (ala Thaler and Cass Sunstein) tactics in their choice architecture. You must actively do something to opt out. Thus, the adminstrators preferred choice is for all children to have access to the abortificant (no action required by the parent).


43 posted on 09/25/2012 6:54:55 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: NYer
NYC is a communist hellhole, as is Washington DC.

Even the raghead terrorists from the middle east have figured out that they have nothing on the domestic apparatchiks from those places in terms of extortion of cash via the IRS and taking away our GOD given freedom.

44 posted on 09/25/2012 7:06:04 PM PDT by Rome2000 (WILLARD ROMNEY -- MORMON MELCHIDEZEK BISHOP -HIS FAMILY HAS AVOIDED MILITARY SERVICE FOR GENERATIONS)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Maybe Cardinal Dolan can invite the city personnel responsible for this to the Al Smith Dinner (unless they were already coming as Obama’s guest)...


45 posted on 09/25/2012 8:40:01 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: maica; All

You jest, but you don’t know how close to the truth and probability that is.

Read about some of the side effects these pills can cause and imagine if it were your daughter that took the pill because you were unaware of the program. Then imagine that your daughter becomes sterile due to the negative effects of taking this pill. Forget having grandchildren.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-157530/Morning-warning-embryo-risks.html

One other thing....I seem to recall reading that China wanted to provide those pills to the US. Just imagine how many kids might some day mysteriously become infertile/sterile after taking the morning after pills imported from China. Nice victory plan, eh?

Are we really THAT stupid? Of course we are. At least, our PC, leftist-run government is.


46 posted on 09/25/2012 9:05:23 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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Really? Big Surprise......


47 posted on 09/25/2012 11:29:30 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: NYer

Hey Cardinal, tell your flock to stop sending their children to the ungodly for education.


48 posted on 09/26/2012 4:35:44 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: XenaLee

You jest, but you don’t know how close to the truth and probability that is.

^^^^^

Actually, I was just using humor to state a truth. We do not know what these pills will do to the health of a teen. If aspirin can have effects that limit their distribution in a school, how can these powerful pills not have profound effects. Many decades ago, my mother was given a prescription when pregnant with my sister, for the best of intentions by her obstetrician. It affected my sister’s reproductive system! It affected the reproductive system of sons and daughters all over America until that drug was stopped.

http://www.cdc.gov/des/hcp/nurses/history.html

The History of DES
DES: An early success and failure of medical science


49 posted on 09/26/2012 6:09:15 AM PDT by maica
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Well, Cardinal Tim, tell your flock to stop voting for Democrats, and you’ll see less of this indignity.

Any while he's at it, don't support Obamacare in any form. The Catholic Church never seems to understand that they can't have Socialism on their terms. They want free healthcare for the poor but then are shocked when Obama adds abortion pills for 14 year olds to the list of what constitutes "free heathcare."

50 posted on 09/26/2012 6:17:15 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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