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The Folly of a Conventional Strike on Iran
israelnationalnews ^ | September 15, 2012 | Yonatan Silverman

Posted on 09/15/2012 4:44:39 PM PDT by Bobalu

It would be a terrible tragedy if a conventional military strike against Iran did not achieve its objective. Israel, in particular, is the country with it’s neck in Iran’s nuclear noose. For Israel’s sake, Iran must be stopped from producing Islamic terrorist nukes, and since negotiations and sanctions have failed along those lines, the logical alternative is to attack Iran with nuclear weapons on the model of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: iran; israel
I say use neutron weapons over the sites and then destroy the sites using teams on the ground. There is no way that conventional bunker-busters can destroy the sites...even nuclear bunker-busters would not be a certain bet. A quick shelter can be constructed on the ground to protect a team from neutron bombardment. Fire a battlefield neutron weapon to clear the area around the site, rinse and repeat as necessary to keep Iranian armor away. An EMP weapon used before attacking the sites would also be a nice touch.
1 posted on 09/15/2012 4:44:45 PM PDT by Bobalu
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To: Bobalu

Sounds like a good plan.


2 posted on 09/15/2012 4:47:30 PM PDT by paintriot (I've seen too much.....)
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To: Bobalu

“It would be a terrible tragedy if a conventional military strike against Iran did not achieve its objective.”

It would have sucked if we lost WWII...


3 posted on 09/15/2012 4:49:31 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: Bobalu

No war with Iran, please. At least wait until we’re actually threatened, and nit because their territorial ambitions coincide with our “interests,” or Isreal is our ally and once Isreal is gone there’ll be nothing between them and our front door but thousands of miles of oceans and other countries.

Best of all, can we wait until we’re attacked, as we haven’t since Japan, or if you believe in conspiracy theories Ft. Sumter, or if you want to go back to when the attack necessitated a full-scale war 1812.


4 posted on 09/15/2012 4:49:58 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: jessduntno

“It would have sucked if we list WWII”

Did I miss something? Did Iran bomb Pearl Harbor? (Could they, even if we showed them how?)


5 posted on 09/15/2012 4:52:03 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Bobalu
The IAF has several deliverable EMP warheads that will be detonated over Iran should Obama win in November.

If Mitt wins, the old alliance will be reestablished and together we will shock and awe the evil Mullahs back to the knuckle dragging days of their pedophile prophet.

6 posted on 09/15/2012 4:55:54 PM PDT by Happy Rain (Mitt four then Sarah eight.)
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To: Tublecane

WE need to pour the coal to Iran. Hammer them anyway possible. They are a terrorist organization and sponsors of global jihad AKA terrorism. Terrorism against innocents.

Screw them AND their greatest global supporter, Obama.

It really is too bad that we have to be at war with our government!


7 posted on 09/15/2012 4:59:50 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: Bobalu

I’ve been advocating a non-nuclear EMP weapon for some time. Launched from the Arabian Sea and shaped so as to do minimal damage to the neighbors. Would literally put Iran back in the stone age.

Although they sorta already are :)


8 posted on 09/15/2012 5:05:50 PM PDT by upchuck (If nobama is reelected and gets to choose more SCOTUS judges, this country is finished.)
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To: Tublecane

“Did I miss something? Did Iran bomb Pearl Harbor?...”

Well, you missed the mark...you sound like you are responding to someone else.


9 posted on 09/15/2012 5:07:06 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: paintriot

Call me a pessimist, but I see no solution unless and until Israel is evacuated, planted in the western hemisphere, probably at the 4-corner junction (Utah, NM, CO, and AZ—there’s easily enough government land to house the whole population) that was considered for their homeland in ‘46. Then let the Muslim world go to wherever it deserves to go. Any other solution means our military will be forever deployed in the area. Do we really want that?


10 posted on 09/15/2012 5:15:03 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: Bobalu

agreed, good plan.

hope Israel has the technology to do that. otherwise, we will have to wait until adults get back in office.

blessings, bobo


11 posted on 09/15/2012 5:32:10 PM PDT by bobo1
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To: Mach9
America is in a holy war with radical Islam and no Muslim nation can be trusted...we need a friendly country as a base of operations against the Islamists who will not rest until we, their “Great Satan” have been murdered, converted or enslaved.

Also, how are we going to do Armageddon if we don't have access to Armageddon? The buttes of Utah are not exactly Golgotha.

12 posted on 09/15/2012 5:33:51 PM PDT by Happy Rain (Mitt four then Sarah eight.)
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To: Mach9

Well, the Navajo suicide bombers in the Four Corners area would be a persistent problem. :)


13 posted on 09/15/2012 5:34:13 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Bobalu

Any dead muslim is a .... idea. Nuke the Nuke!


14 posted on 09/15/2012 5:37:33 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Bobalu

how about, with conventional weapons, destroying thier ability to produce and deliver electricity...


15 posted on 09/15/2012 6:08:50 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Bobalu

Kill them all.


16 posted on 09/15/2012 6:24:37 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: Bobalu

Hit the Govt Leaders first, then All The Mullahs....

then take out Command and Controll and the Air fields...

Then destroy the Gas refineries....All this is Easy to do.

Then go after their Armys...and then begin a ground War.

Dont stop untill every Swinging Richard with a gun is DEAD.

Then walk into the Nuke Sites and dismantle.....

then break for Lunch.


17 posted on 09/15/2012 6:40:26 PM PDT by LtKerst
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To: LtKerst

Good plan. Prevents having to rebuild it if it’s nuked.


18 posted on 09/15/2012 6:48:14 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Bobalu
Very foolish.

Israel would receive worldwide condemnation for any first use of nukes (including nuclear EMPs) in the ME, & probably a devastating boycott. I imagine Obama would be the loudest condemner, ending our special relationship.

There is no comparison with Hiroshima & Nagasaki. At the time, the world had no idea of the dangers of radiation & fallout. No country has since used nuclear weapons, for obvious reasons: One use leads to another use, which leads to multiple uses which leads to nuclear Armageddon.

There is no guarantee that ballistic missiles do no go astray. Ask North Korea. There is also no guarantee that fallout doesn't stray onto other countries (Russia), who may decide to respond in kind. What about all those incinerated foreigners in Iran - Russians, Chinese, & many others? Their governments are not gonna be happy. Some may retaliate.

It is a lazy attitude to decide that a conventional attack would not work or be too hard. Israel can conventionally destroy Iran's air defense, air force, & power generating infrastructure in a matter of days. After that, a sustained bombing effort on nuke facilities, resistant Iranian forces, & THE GOVERNMENT of Iran will ultimately topple the mullahs.

I believe the Iranian nuclear threat can best be ended by ending the mullocracy. Israel can make life so miserable & dangerous for the mullahs that they can no longer control the country. If Israel can turn off the lights & water long enough, while keeping the mullahs on the run, I believe the Iranian people will finally put the mullahs out of business. I do not believe the Iranian people will back the mullahs once the darkness & misery sets in for a while.

This scenario will take time - weeks or months, but it is better than being a world pariah.

One more thing: I have no doubt Israel has some pretty impressive surprises in store for Iran. This is not gonna be a few bomber sorties like Osiris or Syria. I expect a terrifying display of destruction - shock & awe, designed not only to destroy the nuclear facilities, but to completely demoralize, if not kill, the mullahs & convince Iranians to change their leadership immediately.

19 posted on 09/15/2012 8:15:39 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Mister Da

“.......I expect a terrifying display of destruction - shock & awe, designed not only to destroy the nuclear facilities, but to completely demoralize, if not kill, the mullahs & convince Iranians to change their leadership immediately.”
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From discussions with the limited number of Iranian-Americans I know, the great majority of Iranians already would LOVE to “replace their leadership immediately”—so they don’t need convincing. The problem is the inability of the populace to effectuate the well-entrenched Mullahs. They tried taking the initial steps toward doing that several years ago, received absolutely ZERO support from the Muslim American President Obama’s administration and subsequently had their “uprising” suppressed even before it could be completely born.


20 posted on 09/15/2012 9:19:42 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Happy Rain; Mr. Jeeves

I’d prefer Armageddon to occur without our help, and with the tribal jealousies over there it’s not just possible but inevitable that they’ll eliminate each other. Of course, there are a few other inconvenient details to work out. Not just the Navajos, but the Hopis.


21 posted on 09/15/2012 10:12:48 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: House Atreides
“The problem is the inability of the populace to effectuate the well-entrenched Mullahs.”

That is why is so important for the Israelis to attack the Iranian government from the first day, keep attacking, & force them into hiding for fear of a Hellfire missile. This will allow the Iranian people the opportunity to organize & act. Once any regime goes into hiding, for whatever reason, it is finished.

The reason to attack the power & water systems is to make the people very unhappy. If you have ever been w/o power & water for several days, you know how unhappy you can get. People in a foul mood often do things they would not normally do. People with no power, no lights, not TV, go OUTSIDE & complain amongst themselves.

Yeah, they are gonna blame Israel, but soon enough, they will blame the lunatics, whose raving & ranting about Israel got them into the mess - the mullahs, to whom they already have little allegiance.

The biggest problem Israel has in attacking Iran is how long they can sustain the war, politically & militarily.

Surely, most of the West, will publicly denounce Israel. So will islamic countries, but they don't much count since Israel has little or no relations with them. How loud & long the West complains will dictate how long Israel can continue attacking. Obama, because he needs the Jewish vote, will have to mute his displeasure, while in private I expect him to be furious. Bibi says - gotcha!

Militarily, I have no idea how long Israel can sustain a intensive, long distance war alone. Surely weeks, but months I'm not so sure.

One thing in Israel's favor: The US will be forced to destroy the Iranian navy, shore facilities, & coastal defenses, as the foolish Iranians will undoubtedly attack Gulf shipping immediately upon an Israeli attack. Not even Obama will be able to ignore this. Obama is in a trap, he knows it, but Bibi knows it, too. The trap is worthless on November 7th.

22 posted on 09/16/2012 5:40:52 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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