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To: stormhill
In what way are the nazis to the "right" of the communists?

National socialists believe in the existence of distinct nations. The internationalists did not, preferring a global socialist system. The German Nazis maintained the nominal pretense of private property, albeit under total government control. The international communists preferred total government control of all property. While it is not much of a distinction, it is a difference.

20 posted on 09/13/2012 6:59:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie
While you might claim that Nazis believed in the existence of distinct nations and Communists believed in a global socialist system, the fact remains that Nazis attempted to spread their system across national boundries much like the Communists. Further while the communist collective was more successful they did maintain national borders of their member states. In effect it's a stated difference that never existed in reality. In practice they were exactly the same.

Nazis also stated that they believed in private property and private business while communists belived in common ownership of the means of production. In practice the government completely controlled both. Again it is stated difference that never existed in reality.

When the stated differences never actually existed except in arguements between dedicated ideologues can you really call them differences never mind distinctions?

22 posted on 09/13/2012 7:20:24 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Carry_Okie; Durus; ml/nj; Red Steel; All
National socialists believe in the existence of distinct nations. The internationalists did not, preferring a global socialist system.

Not exactly. National Socialists (Nazis) sometimes absorbed the nations they conquered (e.g., Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland) directly into the Reich so they were ruled by Germans. However, there were some satellites (e.g., Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Vichy France) that were ruled by locals subserviant to their German overlords.

Communists (Marxists) may have have been "internationalists" at first but then developed the super nation-state of the Soviet Union by absorbing quite a number of smaller nations into Russia. The Eastern European satellite communist nations were governed by local communists who maintained their national identity, but were succeptable to Soviet military invasion when local communist hegemony was threatened (e.g., Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in the "Prague Spring", 1968).

41 posted on 09/13/2012 2:18:45 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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