Comparing Republicans to Nazis — Who Started it?

FrontPage Magazine ^ | September 13, 2012 | Larry Elder

[tophat9000]

Who said words have meaning?

We really need to stop using the German acronym for the National Socialist German Worker Party...aka ... NAZI...and call a National Socialist a National Socialist

[Durus]

While you might claim that Nazis believed in the existence of distinct nations and Communists believed in a global socialist system, the fact remains that Nazis attempted to spread their system across national boundries much like the Communists. Further while the communist collective was more successful they did maintain national borders of their member states. In effect it's a stated difference that never existed in reality. In practice they were exactly the same.

Nazis also stated that they believed in private property and private business while communists belived in common ownership of the means of production. In practice the government completely controlled both. Again it is stated difference that never existed in reality.

When the stated differences never actually existed except in arguements between dedicated ideologues can you really call them differences never mind distinctions?

[vanilla swirl]

“S o we should just call them Commies and be prepared to counter the inevitable McCarthyism whine. Indeed,we should rehabilitate the name of Joe McCarthy who was a true patriot.”

You are correct!

[W. W. SMITH]

Nazis went for control without ownership. Communists wanted both control and ownership. The difference between them amounts to a Nat’s backside.

[Carry_Okie]

While you might claim that Nazis believed in the existence of distinct nations and Communists believed in a global socialist system, the fact remains that Nazis attempted to spread their system across national boundries much like the Communists.

That is hardly true. It is more like the colonial powers from which they grew. Think of the Napoleonic, British, and Russian empires.

Further while the communist collective was more successful they did maintain national borders of their member states. In effect it's a stated difference that never existed in reality. In practice they were exactly the same.

You are confusing the international with the Russians, which they regard as an aberration of communism.

Nazis also stated that they believed in private property and private business while communists belived in common ownership of the means of production.

They weren't running around the countryside rounding up farmers and assigning them to government housing and collective farms. There was no German analogue to the Kulaks.

When the stated differences never actually existed except in arguements between dedicated ideologues can you really call them differences never mind distinctions?

Tautological hand-wave.

[justiceseeker93]

Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater accepted an invitation to visit an American military installation located in Bavaria, Germany. On “CBS Evening News” hosted by Walter Cronkite, correspondent Daniel Schorr said: “It is now clear that Sen. Goldwater’s interview with Der Spiegel, with its hard line appealing to right-wing elements in Germany, was only the start of a move to link up with his opposite numbers in Germany.” The reaction shot — when the cameras returned to Cronkite — showed the “most trusted man in America” gravely shaking his head.

Trying to link Barry Goldwater, of all people, to Nazism merely demonstrates just how ignorant or deliberately deceptive these MSM leftists were at the time (and still are). There is no way the Nazis or neo-Nazis could have had any common ground with him.

Barry Goldwater had a Jewish father. According to Nazi doctrine, Goldwater was as much a target for extermination as any Jew in the world they might have contact with. If Goldwater had been unfortunate enough to have been in Europe in the late 1930s, chances are he would not have survived the Nazi Holocaust.

[dfwgator]

The same thing happened when Reagan went to Bitburg.

[dfwgator]

Comparing Republicans to Nazis — Who Started it?

The Nazis, they invaded Poland.

[lentulusgracchus]

[Article] Or maybe it began when Goldwater accepted the Republican nomination, and Democratic California Gov. Pat Brown said the “stench of fascism is in the air.”

Nelson Rockefeller, who ran second in the primaries and came to the Cow Palace convention with insufficient delegates to stop Goldwater, was offered the consolation prize of a minority statement on the Party platform, by the Platform Committee. They gave Rockefeller a primo time slot, 8 pm CDT iirc (this is all related by Theodore White in The Making of the President 1964), and Rockefeller proceeded to lambaste the majority delegates up and down, causing a wave of boos and catcalls to rise from the AuH₂O army of delegates. Then Rocky really went after them and called them "fascists" and "Nazis", with all of America watching. Talk about negative advance -- Rockefeller pretty much handed the election to LBJ right there, by using so much of his prestige to smear Goldwater because Goldwater's Rove, F. Clifton White (we need him today!) would not play nice with Rockefeller and offer him the VP slot or a dozen cabinet seats or anything like that. Cliff White played with Rockefeller like the RiNO's and Me-Too'ers had always played with the Mugwumps, the Bull Moosers, and the Bob Taft "Main Street" Republicans -- so Rockefeller called them all Nazis on national TV.

[lentulusgracchus]

...we should rehabilitate the name of Joe McCarthy who was a true patriot.

Bump. Both Bill Buckley (without Venona) and Ann Coulter (with Venona available) have had a go -- the MSM refuse to budge, and they abuse McCarthy and the conservative du jour every day, by resurrecting their old anti-McCarthy, pro-Communist smear.

[justiceseeker93]

The same thing happened when Reagan went to Bitburg.

That's a little different, though equally stupid on the part of the MSM. I specifically remember, watching the proceedings from Bitburg on TV, that Reagan deliberately changed the direction of his walk so that his rear end faced the Nazi-era graves.

[lentulusgracchus]

Well, we know who had the brass ones in this exchange!

We also know who's crackling in Hell and ready with his new book, Flaming Faggot: Crisper Than Pork Rinds.

[Inwoodian]

The definitive McCarthy opus to which Coulter gave credit is “Blacklisted by History” by M. Stanton Evans. A tour de force.

[Inwoodian]

The definitive McCarthy opus to which Coulter gave credit is “Blacklisted by History” by M. Stanton Evans. A tour de force.

[Eleutheria5]

Or maybe the Republicans-as-fascists narrative really jump-started during the 1968 presidential campaign. For commentary at the political conventions that year, ABC hired left-wing pundit Gore Vidal and matched him with conservative pundit William F. Buckley. If the network was looking for fireworks, they were not disappointed. Quarreling with Buckley over the impact of anti-Vietnam War dissidents, Gore called Buckley a “crypto-Nazi.” Incensed, Buckley fired back: “Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi, or I’ll sock you in your goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered.”

Calling Buckley a Nazi, that’s one thing. But calling Vidal a queer, now that’s a personal attack./sarc

I almost wished he did sock him. Buckley was famously even-tempered and able to beat people with facts and reasoning, but it looks like Vidal crossed a line.

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Entertainer and liberal activist Harry Belafonte, when asked whether the number and prominence of blacks in the Bush administration suggested a lack of racism, said, “Hitler had a lot of Jews high up in the hierarchy of the Third Reich.”

Belafonte was an out and out communist, card-carrying member, I believe. And completely ignorant of history.

[Eleutheria5]

Or maybe the Republicans-as-fascists narrative really jump-started during the 1968 presidential campaign. For commentary at the political conventions that year, ABC hired left-wing pundit Gore Vidal and matched him with conservative pundit William F. Buckley. If the network was looking for fireworks, they were not disappointed. Quarreling with Buckley over the impact of anti-Vietnam War dissidents, Gore called Buckley a “crypto-Nazi.” Incensed, Buckley fired back: “Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi, or I’ll sock you in your goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered.”

Calling Buckley a Nazi, that’s one thing. But calling Vidal a queer, now that’s a personal attack./sarc

I almost wished he did sock him. Buckley was famously even-tempered and able to beat people with facts and reasoning, but it looks like Vidal crossed a line.

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Entertainer and liberal activist Harry Belafonte, when asked whether the number and prominence of blacks in the Bush administration suggested a lack of racism, said, “Hitler had a lot of Jews high up in the hierarchy of the Third Reich.”

Belafonte was an out and out communist, card-carrying member, I believe. And completely ignorant of history.

[Durus]

That is hardly true. It is more like the colonial powers from which they grew. Think of the Napoleonic, British, and Russian empires.

It is factually true or did you miss the Nazi invasions? Do you claim that Russia didn't do exactly the same thing? We do not need to compare them to their precursors to see exactly what they did. They attempted to spread their ideology by force. Of course a reasonable person knows that their ideology was simply a rationale for them to impose tyranny over the masses, but that is beside the point.

You are confusing the international with the Russians, which they regard as an aberration of communism.

Of course they do...they say the same thing of every communist failure but the facts have a way of intruding upon their utopian ideals. The USSR was "THE" communist ideal until the truth started to leak out.

They weren't running around the countryside rounding up farmers and assigning them to government housing and collective farms. There was no German analogue to the Kulaks.

Ignoring the jewish farmers that were rounded up and assigned to "government housing" I assume? I guess you don't consider nazi concentration camps being similar to russians starving their peasents?

Tautological hand-wave.

Please. The differences you put forward were never in practice. They are theoretical differences according to the ideologues of said political systems. Are you suggesting that because Nazis and Communists claim that there are differences in their respective systems, that these differences don't have to actually exist in practice for them to be considered actuall differences?

[Daveinyork]

I remember the 1964 election, and I also remember that Goldwater and his running mate, Bill Miller, were being compared to nazis.

[Carry_Okie]

You are still confusing the international with Russia. Communists the world over considered the Soviet Union a failure, an aberration of Marx. It was one of Gramsci's reasons for proposing cultural Marxism. So for you to equate Marxism with national socialism because the Soviets behaved like imperialists for the last 250 years is fallacious.

You are confusing the international with the Russians, which they regard as an aberration of communism.

Of course they do...they say the same thing of every communist failure but the facts have a way of intruding upon their utopian ideals. The USSR was "THE" communist ideal until the truth started to leak out.

You are mixing "theys" again.

What you say may be true of the American media, but not in the international. It was known within three to five years that Russia had failed the ideal. It was Gramsci's objective to preclude a repeat.

Ignoring the jewish farmers that were rounded up and assigned to "government housing" I assume?

I had family who died in those camps, asshole. This only proves how low you'll stoop to "win" a debate. Socializing all agricultural land to control the nation's food supply and starve all opposition is different than rounding up a particular group for their religion or race. One is a matter of ideology. The other purely for purposes of extermination, the true motives for which you don't have a clue unless you are hip to Sabbateans. Deal with it.

I guess you don't consider nazi concentration camps being similar to russians starving their peasents?

No, I don't. Just because they were both murderous and tyrannical does not make them the same, principally because the ideological justifications are radically at odds. German lands were not collectivized. It's a major difference between fascism and communism. Deal with it.

Please. The differences you put forward were never in practice.

So after discounting the difference between collectivizing and murdering 22 million peasants because they were landowners (regardless of religion) and rounding up largely urban Jews pretending that Jewish farmers were somehow numerous when socializing land ownership was never a major element of German policy, you paper over the difference.

That's what I mean by hand wave. It's dishonest and despicable. It shows you'll stoop to anything to what you believe is your advantage, making you no better than the people you supposedly hate. I won't bother with you further.

[sauropod]

It’s actually worse than what Elder says.

Nazism is far left ideological identity politics. People like Harpootlian, Al Gore, Cronkite, and their ilk should do some homework and find out what the NSDAP really stood for.