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Naval expert: Ships shown during Democratic convention tribute to veterans were Russian
Daily Caller ^ | Sept. 12, 2012 | David Martosko

Posted on 09/11/2012 10:51:32 PM PDT by iowamark

The Democratic National Convention’s final night included a stirring tribute to America’s veterans from a retired naval four-star admiral, complete with a backdrop of jets flying over a row of proud warships. But convention organizers may soon regret it.

Norman Polmar, author of “The Naval Institute Guide to the Soviet Navy” and other military handbooks, told the Navy Times on Tuesday that the ships were Russian vessels.

“The ships are definitely Russian,” Polmar told the military newspaper. “There’s no question of that in my mind.” The ships depicted in the Democrats’ backdrop had radar designs that the U.S. fleet doesn’t use.

Other experts said the image displayed on giant video screens inside the Times Warner Cable Arena was a Photoshopped composite showing U.S. trainer jets, F-5s, flying over the Russian ships.

Retired Adm. John Nathman, who formerly commanded Fleet Forces Command, honored veterans Thursday night during the hour before President Obama accepted his party’s nomination for a second four-year term in the White House.

Rob Barker, a former naval electronics warfare technician, first identified the ships as Russian in design, and was able to identify the ship in the foreground as a specific vessel — the Kara-class cruiser “Kerch.”

“I was kind of in shock,” Barker told the Navy Times. ”An immediate apology [from the DNC] would be very nice. Maybe acknowledge the fact that yes, they screwed up.”

Polmar also recognized a blue “X” on one of the ships’ flags, a Russian navy symbol fashioned after a St. Andrew’s Cross.

A.D. Baker III, a retired analyst who worked in the Office of Naval Intelligence, told Navy Times that the four ships, “at the time the photo was taken, constituted the entire major surface combatant component of the [Russian] Black Sea Fleet.”

He said the photo was likely at least six years old.


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To: FlyingEagle

It was a definite message by someone.

Given the average democrat thinks all guns are assault rifles, and use “clips” and “magazines” interchageably, I can see that some people there probably would not have noticed. I am convinced however the higher ups running the convention knew and wanted this shown this way.


21 posted on 09/12/2012 12:02:00 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: iowamark
Ships shown during Democratic convention tribute to veterans were Communist

So were most of the people there.


22 posted on 09/12/2012 12:45:56 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: wiggen
could they be any dumber?

They are the brightest of anyone in the 57 states when it comes to military thingies.

Just ask any Corpseman.

23 posted on 09/12/2012 12:59:07 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Born to Conserve
Ditto!! I keep saying the same thing.....it is a battle against the stupidity out there. Democrat politicians, especially this phoney and commie, would never be elected without the dumbocrats.
24 posted on 09/12/2012 1:30:55 AM PDT by Swede Girl
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To: iowamark
Ooops! Big mistake - We are sincerely sorry.

We had no idea these were Commmunist Russian ships.

We thought they were Communist Chinese ships.


25 posted on 09/12/2012 1:31:05 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: ransomnote

The retired Admired probably didn’t even noticed them. He probably taken no part of the selection process. He most likely walked out there, saw some ships that looked old and didn’t really pay much attention. If he did notice he most likely wouldnt say anything there on stage.


26 posted on 09/12/2012 2:11:38 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: iowamark

27 posted on 09/12/2012 3:57:05 AM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
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To: iowamark

28 posted on 09/12/2012 4:00:07 AM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
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To: iowamark

Just another trick by Axelrod (and the other commies) to change the topic of conversation away from energy, the economy and jobs.


29 posted on 09/12/2012 4:11:02 AM PDT by WellyP (question!)
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To: iowamark
Why all the hoop-a-loo? obama shut down NASA and now the Soviets furnish all space flights for us, even the ones that service OUR space stations.

Sooooooo, why not shut down all U.S. ships and shut down Navy Recruiting? Let the Reds have complete access to our bases and shipyards, like Norfolk, Long Beach, Newport, Grotten, Pascagoula, Bath, Charleston, etc, etc, etc. Even give them free fuel for their ships.

30 posted on 09/12/2012 4:17:58 AM PDT by jmax (Full mag inserted, round in chamber, hammer is back...safety is OFF.)
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To: iowamark

Come now Comrades. We need to embrace the patriotic Russian warships, even if they train their weapons on us.

It is all part of the “New Flexibility” in the next four years, which will save money from paying for those old US nuclear weapons we will retire so we can spend more money on “Green Energy” and indirectly, Democratic crony capitalistic funding.

We should welcome our new Chinese and Russian overlords.


31 posted on 09/12/2012 4:21:17 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Hardraade; All

Wasn’t that one of Stalin’s favorite political slogans???


32 posted on 09/12/2012 4:30:35 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: FlyingEagle

Of course it was.

I really, really hate Obama.


33 posted on 09/12/2012 4:31:29 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: iowamark

They are the stupid party.


34 posted on 09/12/2012 4:31:51 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: iowamark

Oops


35 posted on 09/12/2012 4:32:02 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: iowamark

this is like that navy commercial, the one where it says we are protecting the 5 oceans... can anyone name the 5 oceans?

when I went to school, there were only 4...


36 posted on 09/12/2012 4:32:29 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I’m more inclined to think some radical red Junior Woodchuck assigned to make the vid thought it would be cute to slip that into the presentation as a poke in the eye to the US and conservatives in particular.


37 posted on 09/12/2012 4:38:31 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: jmax
Even give them free fuel for their ships.

Better yet, make them sign a contract that requires the ships be run on algae fuel at $50/gallon. We can bankrupt the Russians again, just like Reagan did!

38 posted on 09/12/2012 4:40:43 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: FlyingEagle

Stupid is as stupid does.

The graphic artist used the best photo she could find on Google because it is the thought that counts. War ships are war ships to a pacifist ninnie


39 posted on 09/12/2012 4:47:08 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: iowamark
I'll just attribute it to carelessness and stupidity.

Bet ya some DNC intern googled "Navy vessles" and grabbed the first image he/she/it saw. Quality control consisted of looking at the image and saying "Yep, those are ships alright!"

40 posted on 09/12/2012 4:53:26 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm not voting for Obama, so therefore I must be helping Romney!)
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