Skip to comments.Naval expert: Ships shown during Democratic convention tribute to veterans were Russian
Posted on 09/11/2012 10:51:32 PM PDT by iowamark
The Democratic National Conventions final night included a stirring tribute to Americas veterans from a retired naval four-star admiral, complete with a backdrop of jets flying over a row of proud warships. But convention organizers may soon regret it.
Norman Polmar, author of The Naval Institute Guide to the Soviet Navy and other military handbooks, told the Navy Times on Tuesday that the ships were Russian vessels.
The ships are definitely Russian, Polmar told the military newspaper. Theres no question of that in my mind. The ships depicted in the Democrats backdrop had radar designs that the U.S. fleet doesnt use.
Other experts said the image displayed on giant video screens inside the Times Warner Cable Arena was a Photoshopped composite showing U.S. trainer jets, F-5s, flying over the Russian ships.
Retired Adm. John Nathman, who formerly commanded Fleet Forces Command, honored veterans Thursday night during the hour before President Obama accepted his partys nomination for a second four-year term in the White House.
Rob Barker, a former naval electronics warfare technician, first identified the ships as Russian in design, and was able to identify the ship in the foreground as a specific vessel the Kara-class cruiser Kerch.
I was kind of in shock, Barker told the Navy Times. An immediate apology [from the DNC] would be very nice. Maybe acknowledge the fact that yes, they screwed up.
Polmar also recognized a blue X on one of the ships flags, a Russian navy symbol fashioned after a St. Andrews Cross.
A.D. Baker III, a retired analyst who worked in the Office of Naval Intelligence, told Navy Times that the four ships, at the time the photo was taken, constituted the entire major surface combatant component of the [Russian] Black Sea Fleet.
He said the photo was likely at least six years old.
Not a mistake. This flub was intentional. Had to be.
Sounds like something a Marxist would do under the cover (and intent) of darkness. They do love their symbolism.
I just realized that this doesn’t even surprise me. At all. How pathetic is that? We just naturally expect crap like this from the Dems now.
A message of his commitment to Vladimir and his future flexibility. Marxists love symbolism, the message is only received by proper decoding.
And it wasn’t an accident.
HUSSEIN IS EVIL and we must work hard to see him voted out in Nov. this man was put into power to destroy this Nation as we once knew it...
I just find it so hard to understand what has happened to our great Nation...very sad...
could they be any dumber?
Oh yes. Forward!
That flaring bow on the cruiser is a dead giveaway. I have always admired the lines of Russian Navy hulls, which is incorporated to give them better seakeeping in heavy seas. It looks racy to me.
Say what you want about Ivan, he can build some cool looking stuff.
Anybody that thinks this an accident should down their BONG!...
And if not high on something should consult a shrink..
Much effort was made to display that image..
Most democrats and a boatload of republicans are delusional..
Giving the democrat party the benefit of the doubt projects a mental problem.. not theirs but Yours..
How as a ‘retired naval four-star admiral’ on board with that?
Just imagine Putin’s delight upon seeing it!
Well, Obama did convey to Putin that he would have more flexibility after the election. I guess then the Russian flag would be more visible and in color.
Hey - I wonder who gave them the picture of the Russian ships?
This could make a great campaign ad.
BTW, if those were trainers they would be T-38s, not F-5s.
“Not a mistake. This flub was intentional. Had to be.”
Cut ‘em some slack. The closest any of them probably ever got to being in the navy was playing “hide the torpedo.”
Remember that Obama said after the Co shooting, that AKs belong only in the hands of soldiers on the battlefield, now we have Russian ships at the DNC makes you wonder doesnt it?
The only explanation for leaders this stupid, is voters this stupid.
The average IQ in the USA is about 100, with a standard deviation of about 15. The average IQ for a middle class suburban community is about one standard deviation higher at about 115. The average IQ for college grads from middle class suburban communities is about another standard deviation on top of that, for an IQ of about 130.
For every person a standard deviation or two above average, there is a person a standard deviation or two below average. One standard deviation below average gives you an IQ of 85, which is getting into the “retarded” range. Two standard deviations below average gives you an IQ of 70, which is well into the retarded range.
These retarded people vote. They vote so they can buy cigarettes, booze, and lottery tickets, and so they can watch TV. They mostly like sports, sitcoms, and reality shows. They also breed faster than the smarter than average people. We’re Doomed. Yay.
It was a definite message by someone.
Given the average democrat thinks all guns are assault rifles, and use “clips” and “magazines” interchageably, I can see that some people there probably would not have noticed. I am convinced however the higher ups running the convention knew and wanted this shown this way.
So were most of the people there.
They are the brightest of anyone in the 57 states when it comes to military thingies.
Just ask any Corpseman.
Ooops! Big mistake - We are sincerely sorry.
We had no idea these were Commmunist Russian ships.
We thought they were Communist Chinese ships.
The retired Admired probably didn’t even noticed them. He probably taken no part of the selection process. He most likely walked out there, saw some ships that looked old and didn’t really pay much attention. If he did notice he most likely wouldnt say anything there on stage.
Just another trick by Axelrod (and the other commies) to change the topic of conversation away from energy, the economy and jobs.
Sooooooo, why not shut down all U.S. ships and shut down Navy Recruiting? Let the Reds have complete access to our bases and shipyards, like Norfolk, Long Beach, Newport, Grotten, Pascagoula, Bath, Charleston, etc, etc, etc. Even give them free fuel for their ships.
Come now Comrades. We need to embrace the patriotic Russian warships, even if they train their weapons on us.
It is all part of the “New Flexibility” in the next four years, which will save money from paying for those old US nuclear weapons we will retire so we can spend more money on “Green Energy” and indirectly, Democratic crony capitalistic funding.
We should welcome our new Chinese and Russian overlords.
Wasn’t that one of Stalin’s favorite political slogans???
Of course it was.
I really, really hate Obama.
They are the stupid party.
this is like that navy commercial, the one where it says we are protecting the 5 oceans... can anyone name the 5 oceans?
when I went to school, there were only 4...
I’m more inclined to think some radical red Junior Woodchuck assigned to make the vid thought it would be cute to slip that into the presentation as a poke in the eye to the US and conservatives in particular.
Better yet, make them sign a contract that requires the ships be run on algae fuel at $50/gallon. We can bankrupt the Russians again, just like Reagan did!
Stupid is as stupid does.
The graphic artist used the best photo she could find on Google because it is the thought that counts. War ships are war ships to a pacifist ninnie
Bet ya some DNC intern googled "Navy vessles" and grabbed the first image he/she/it saw. Quality control consisted of looking at the image and saying "Yep, those are ships alright!"
Atlantic, Pacific, Indian, Arctic & Billy.
>>> “......a contract that requires the ships be run on algae fuel at $50/gallon.” <<<<
We could laugh at Soviet sailors, vice U.S. sailors, when they place huge vats of ALGAE on deck and the engineers take buckets of that slimy green crap and pour it into 4-inch fill-pipes leading to the fuel tanks.
On the positive side, for the sailors, they may find some lake trout tangled in the algae. ~ POOF ~ fish for dinner.
ABSOLUTELY NOT a ‘mistake’.
Some group of their organizers put this together chortling in the back room about how they were duping the American people watching the convention.
Very similar to the ‘Nam POWs getting photographed and displaying the middle finger while giving a statement against the US that their captors demanded. Similar situation, but opposite ideology in play.
This is the DNC giving America a lovely statement but meanwhile in the background giving those “in the know” the middle finger signal that they feel coerced in doing so.
Subliminal message — bet the Russians will get a hoot out of this, (was it a blunder)?
This Regime is either so incompetent as to defy the imagination or so criminal as to be overdue for long incarceration.
No fallout for the Dems though, here in the new Police State of the ObabaNation.
It’s a housing for a towed sonar array.