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Naval expert: Ships shown during Democratic convention tribute to veterans were Russian
Daily Caller ^ | Sept. 12, 2012 | David Martosko

Posted on 09/11/2012 10:51:32 PM PDT by iowamark

The Democratic National Convention’s final night included a stirring tribute to America’s veterans from a retired naval four-star admiral, complete with a backdrop of jets flying over a row of proud warships. But convention organizers may soon regret it.

Norman Polmar, author of “The Naval Institute Guide to the Soviet Navy” and other military handbooks, told the Navy Times on Tuesday that the ships were Russian vessels.

“The ships are definitely Russian,” Polmar told the military newspaper. “There’s no question of that in my mind.” The ships depicted in the Democrats’ backdrop had radar designs that the U.S. fleet doesn’t use.

Other experts said the image displayed on giant video screens inside the Times Warner Cable Arena was a Photoshopped composite showing U.S. trainer jets, F-5s, flying over the Russian ships.

Retired Adm. John Nathman, who formerly commanded Fleet Forces Command, honored veterans Thursday night during the hour before President Obama accepted his party’s nomination for a second four-year term in the White House.

Rob Barker, a former naval electronics warfare technician, first identified the ships as Russian in design, and was able to identify the ship in the foreground as a specific vessel — the Kara-class cruiser “Kerch.”

“I was kind of in shock,” Barker told the Navy Times. ”An immediate apology [from the DNC] would be very nice. Maybe acknowledge the fact that yes, they screwed up.”

Polmar also recognized a blue “X” on one of the ships’ flags, a Russian navy symbol fashioned after a St. Andrew’s Cross.

A.D. Baker III, a retired analyst who worked in the Office of Naval Intelligence, told Navy Times that the four ships, “at the time the photo was taken, constituted the entire major surface combatant component of the [Russian] Black Sea Fleet.”

He said the photo was likely at least six years old.


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To: iowamark

Not a mistake. This flub was intentional. Had to be.


2 posted on 09/11/2012 10:54:59 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: iowamark

Sounds like something a Marxist would do under the cover (and intent) of darkness. They do love their symbolism.


3 posted on 09/11/2012 10:55:19 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: iowamark
Da! Ha ha!


4 posted on 09/11/2012 10:55:32 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: iowamark

I just realized that this doesn’t even surprise me. At all. How pathetic is that? We just naturally expect crap like this from the Dems now.


5 posted on 09/11/2012 10:55:42 PM PDT by verum ago (Be a bastard, and Karma'll be a bitch.)
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To: WKUHilltopper

A message of his commitment to Vladimir and his future flexibility. Marxists love symbolism, the message is only received by proper decoding.


6 posted on 09/11/2012 10:58:26 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: iowamark

And it wasn’t an accident.


7 posted on 09/11/2012 11:00:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: iowamark

Priceless!!!!!!!!!!!


8 posted on 09/11/2012 11:02:29 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: Bshaw
this convention was planned by liberal democrats and obama thugs so I also believe it was intentional...

HUSSEIN IS EVIL and we must work hard to see him voted out in Nov. this man was put into power to destroy this Nation as we once knew it...

I just find it so hard to understand what has happened to our great Nation...very sad...

9 posted on 09/11/2012 11:02:44 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: iowamark

could they be any dumber?


10 posted on 09/11/2012 11:02:55 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Oh yes. Forward!


11 posted on 09/11/2012 11:03:23 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: iowamark

That flaring bow on the cruiser is a dead giveaway. I have always admired the lines of Russian Navy hulls, which is incorporated to give them better seakeeping in heavy seas. It looks racy to me.

Say what you want about Ivan, he can build some cool looking stuff.


12 posted on 09/11/2012 11:11:38 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: iowamark

Anybody that thinks this an accident should down their BONG!...
And if not high on something should consult a shrink..
Much effort was made to display that image..

Most democrats and a boatload of republicans are delusional..
Giving the democrat party the benefit of the doubt projects a mental problem.. not theirs but Yours..


13 posted on 09/11/2012 11:13:40 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: iowamark

How as a ‘retired naval four-star admiral’ on board with that?
Just imagine Putin’s delight upon seeing it!
Well, Obama did convey to Putin that he would have more flexibility after the election. I guess then the Russian flag would be more visible and in color.

Hey - I wonder who gave them the picture of the Russian ships?


14 posted on 09/11/2012 11:14:36 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: iowamark

This could make a great campaign ad.

BTW, if those were trainers they would be T-38s, not F-5s.


15 posted on 09/11/2012 11:18:58 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Whatever a homosexual union might be or represent, it is not physically marital. - F.Cardinal George)
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To: FlyingEagle

“Not a mistake. This flub was intentional. Had to be.”

Cut ‘em some slack. The closest any of them probably ever got to being in the navy was playing “hide the torpedo.”


16 posted on 09/11/2012 11:33:39 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: iowamark

Remember that Obama said after the Co shooting, that AK’s belong only in the hands of soldiers on the battlefield, now we have Russian ships at the DNC — makes you wonder doesn’t it?


17 posted on 09/11/2012 11:37:37 PM PDT by acsrp38 (Do your best to prevent Gorbal Warming!! Leave the lights on!!)
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To: iowamark

18 posted on 09/11/2012 11:49:10 PM PDT by Brandonmark (2012: Our Hope IS Change!)
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To: FlyingEagle

The only explanation for leaders this stupid, is voters this stupid.

The average IQ in the USA is about 100, with a standard deviation of about 15. The average IQ for a middle class suburban community is about one standard deviation higher at about 115. The average IQ for college grads from middle class suburban communities is about another standard deviation on top of that, for an IQ of about 130.

For every person a standard deviation or two above average, there is a person a standard deviation or two below average. One standard deviation below average gives you an IQ of 85, which is getting into the “retarded” range. Two standard deviations below average gives you an IQ of 70, which is well into the retarded range.

These retarded people vote. They vote so they can buy cigarettes, booze, and lottery tickets, and so they can watch TV. They mostly like sports, sitcoms, and reality shows. They also breed faster than the smarter than average people. We’re Doomed. Yay.


19 posted on 09/11/2012 11:52:57 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: iowamark
Obama was sending a coded message to Putin. Obama was saying that he welcomes the Russian Fleet in US waters.

http://beforeitsnews.com/military/2012/08/sen-cornyn-on-russian-subs-in-us-coastal-waters-presses-navy-for-more-information-2444430.html

20 posted on 09/11/2012 11:54:43 PM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. TY)
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To: FlyingEagle

It was a definite message by someone.

Given the average democrat thinks all guns are assault rifles, and use “clips” and “magazines” interchageably, I can see that some people there probably would not have noticed. I am convinced however the higher ups running the convention knew and wanted this shown this way.


21 posted on 09/12/2012 12:02:00 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: iowamark
Ships shown during Democratic convention tribute to veterans were Communist

So were most of the people there.


22 posted on 09/12/2012 12:45:56 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: wiggen
could they be any dumber?

They are the brightest of anyone in the 57 states when it comes to military thingies.

Just ask any Corpseman.

23 posted on 09/12/2012 12:59:07 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Born to Conserve
Ditto!! I keep saying the same thing.....it is a battle against the stupidity out there. Democrat politicians, especially this phoney and commie, would never be elected without the dumbocrats.
24 posted on 09/12/2012 1:30:55 AM PDT by Swede Girl
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To: iowamark
Ooops! Big mistake - We are sincerely sorry.

We had no idea these were Commmunist Russian ships.

We thought they were Communist Chinese ships.


25 posted on 09/12/2012 1:31:05 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: ransomnote

The retired Admired probably didn’t even noticed them. He probably taken no part of the selection process. He most likely walked out there, saw some ships that looked old and didn’t really pay much attention. If he did notice he most likely wouldnt say anything there on stage.


26 posted on 09/12/2012 2:11:38 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: iowamark

27 posted on 09/12/2012 3:57:05 AM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
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To: iowamark

28 posted on 09/12/2012 4:00:07 AM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
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To: iowamark

Just another trick by Axelrod (and the other commies) to change the topic of conversation away from energy, the economy and jobs.


29 posted on 09/12/2012 4:11:02 AM PDT by WellyP (question!)
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To: iowamark
Why all the hoop-a-loo? obama shut down NASA and now the Soviets furnish all space flights for us, even the ones that service OUR space stations.

Sooooooo, why not shut down all U.S. ships and shut down Navy Recruiting? Let the Reds have complete access to our bases and shipyards, like Norfolk, Long Beach, Newport, Grotten, Pascagoula, Bath, Charleston, etc, etc, etc. Even give them free fuel for their ships.

30 posted on 09/12/2012 4:17:58 AM PDT by jmax (Full mag inserted, round in chamber, hammer is back...safety is OFF.)
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To: iowamark

Come now Comrades. We need to embrace the patriotic Russian warships, even if they train their weapons on us.

It is all part of the “New Flexibility” in the next four years, which will save money from paying for those old US nuclear weapons we will retire so we can spend more money on “Green Energy” and indirectly, Democratic crony capitalistic funding.

We should welcome our new Chinese and Russian overlords.


31 posted on 09/12/2012 4:21:17 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Hardraade; All

Wasn’t that one of Stalin’s favorite political slogans???


32 posted on 09/12/2012 4:30:35 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: FlyingEagle

Of course it was.

I really, really hate Obama.


33 posted on 09/12/2012 4:31:29 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: iowamark

They are the stupid party.


34 posted on 09/12/2012 4:31:51 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: iowamark

Oops


35 posted on 09/12/2012 4:32:02 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: iowamark

this is like that navy commercial, the one where it says we are protecting the 5 oceans... can anyone name the 5 oceans?

when I went to school, there were only 4...


36 posted on 09/12/2012 4:32:29 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I’m more inclined to think some radical red Junior Woodchuck assigned to make the vid thought it would be cute to slip that into the presentation as a poke in the eye to the US and conservatives in particular.


37 posted on 09/12/2012 4:38:31 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: jmax
Even give them free fuel for their ships.

Better yet, make them sign a contract that requires the ships be run on algae fuel at $50/gallon. We can bankrupt the Russians again, just like Reagan did!

38 posted on 09/12/2012 4:40:43 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: FlyingEagle

Stupid is as stupid does.

The graphic artist used the best photo she could find on Google because it is the thought that counts. War ships are war ships to a pacifist ninnie


39 posted on 09/12/2012 4:47:08 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: iowamark
I'll just attribute it to carelessness and stupidity.

Bet ya some DNC intern googled "Navy vessles" and grabbed the first image he/she/it saw. Quality control consisted of looking at the image and saying "Yep, those are ships alright!"

40 posted on 09/12/2012 4:53:26 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm not voting for Obama, so therefore I must be helping Romney!)
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To: iowamark
RATS should NEVER, EVER, talk about guns or the military as it always shows them to be the ignorant buffoons that they are... that and anti-American communists
41 posted on 09/12/2012 4:54:23 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: joe fonebone
can anyone name the 5 oceans?

Atlantic, Pacific, Indian, Arctic & Billy.

42 posted on 09/12/2012 4:59:23 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Government's solution to everything: Less freedom.)
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To: metesky

Ping.


43 posted on 09/12/2012 5:06:21 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

>>> “......a contract that requires the ships be run on algae fuel at $50/gallon.” <<<<

We could laugh at Soviet sailors, vice U.S. sailors, when they place huge vats of ALGAE on deck and the engineers take buckets of that slimy green crap and pour it into 4-inch fill-pipes leading to the fuel tanks.

On the positive side, for the sailors, they may find some lake trout tangled in the algae. ~ POOF ~ fish for dinner.


44 posted on 09/12/2012 5:49:31 AM PDT by jmax (Full mag inserted, round in chamber, hammer is back...safety is OFF.)
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To: Chgogal
WTH is that large "periscope" following the sub?


45 posted on 09/12/2012 6:02:22 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: FlyingEagle

ABSOLUTELY NOT a ‘mistake’.

Some group of their organizers put this together chortling in the back room about how they were duping the American people watching the convention.

Very similar to the ‘Nam POWs getting photographed and displaying the middle finger while giving a statement against the US that their captors demanded. Similar situation, but opposite ideology in play.

This is the DNC giving America a lovely statement but meanwhile in the background giving those “in the know” the middle finger signal that they feel coerced in doing so.


46 posted on 09/12/2012 6:28:17 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Bshaw

Subliminal message — bet the Russians will get a hoot out of this, (was it a blunder)?


47 posted on 09/12/2012 6:33:01 AM PDT by TiaS
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To: TigersEye

This Regime is either so incompetent as to defy the imagination or so criminal as to be overdue for long incarceration.

No fallout for the Dems though, here in the new Police State of the ObabaNation.


48 posted on 09/12/2012 7:04:04 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (The MSMedia functions in the USA as Pravda functioned in the USSR.)
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To: Paladin2

It’s a housing for a towed sonar array.


49 posted on 09/12/2012 7:22:17 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: iowamark
!

50 posted on 09/12/2012 7:28:49 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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