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Obama Administration Expands ATF’s Power to Seize Property
Guns.com ^ | 09.07.2012 | S.H. Blannelberry

Posted on 09/08/2012 2:49:47 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

Obama Administration Expands ATF’s Power to Seize Property

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As part of a one-year trial run, the Department of Justice has granted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives the power to “to seize and administratively forfeit property allegedly involved in controlled substance offenses,” which is almost tantamount to saying that on the mere suspicion that one is doing something illegal, the ATF can snatch one’s firearms and property.

The Washington Times, among other publications, have explained the implications of this new DoJ decree:

It’s a dangerous extension of the civil-forfeiture doctrine, a surreal legal fiction in which the seized property — not a person — is put on trial. This allows prosecutors to dispense with pesky constitutional rights, which conveniently don’t apply to inanimate objects. In this looking-glass world, the owner is effectively guilty until proved innocent and has the burden of proving otherwise. Anyone falsely accused will never see his property again unless he succeeds in an expensive uphill legal battle.

Such seizures are common in drug cases, which sometimes can ensnare people who have done nothing wrong. James Lieto found out about civil forfeiture the hard way when the FBI seized $392,000 from his business because the money was being carried by an armored-car firm he had hired that had fallen under a federal investigation. As the Wall Street Journal reported, Mr. Lieto was never accused of any crime, yet he spent thousands in legal fees to get his money back.

Until this expansion of power was granted, the ATF had to refer such matters to the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), which would “initiate, process and conclude all necessary forfeiture actions for the controlled-substance-related property.”

So, in other words, now we have at least two federal agencies that can, on a regular basis, seemingly supplant due process and the fourth amendment to take one’s property.

With respect to one’s money, the burden of proof required is even more tenuously worded. That is, as The Firearm Blog, and The Truth About Guns reported, the ATF doesn’t even need to find drugs; rather it can snatch one’s cash “on theories that the currency was furnished, or intended to be furnished, in exchange for a controlled substance.”

Obviously, there are a lot of questions. Among them, how can the government do this without Congressional approval or oversight? Well, Executive Order:

This rule has been drafted and reviewed in accordance with Executive Order 12866, “Regulatory Planning and Review,” section 1(b), Principles of Regulation, and with Executive Order 13563, “Improving Regulation and Regulatory Review.,” This rule is limited to agency organization, management, or personnel matters as described by Executive Order 12866, section 3(d)(3) and, therefore, is not a “regulation” or “rule” as defined by that Executive Order.

The point to be made here is that it was conceived under the same power that the Obama Administration used to institute the mandate that requires dealers in border-states (Texas, Arizona, California, and New Mexico) to track and report individuals who purchase more than one semi-automatic rifle, with detachable magazine greater than .22 caliber, within a five day period.

Now, with every new change in policy, there’s always the question of how will it effect the average citizen?

This is obviously a difficult question to answer. The government would probably argue that it’s a necessary measure to help crackdown on drug trafficking and that it won’t infringe on the rights of the law-abiding.

But then, on the other hand, you have organizations like the Drug Policy Foundation, which is dedicated to the legalization of controlled substances that said in a report circa 2000, “one recent study showed that more than 80 percent of person [sic] who had their property seized by the federal government were never even charged with a crime” (for more on this, click here).

Also, along those lines, the editors at the Washington Times see it as a confiscatory measure specifically designed to take guns and money from the law-abiding.

Law enforcement agencies love civil forfeiture because it’s extremely lucrative. The Department of Justice’s Assets Forfeiture Fund had $2.8 billion in booty in 2011, according to a January audit. Seizing guns from purported criminals is nothing new; Justice destroyed or kept 11,355 guns last year, returning just 396 to innocent owners. The new ATF rule undoubtedly is designed to ramp up the gun-grabbing because, as the rule justification claims, “The nexus between drug trafficking and firearm violence is well established.” Like with everything, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle between an innocuous measure to help federal agencies fight drug-related violence and crime and a full-blown affront to law-abiding citizens, which in this particular case is not at all comforting.

As it’s been said in the past:

“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” - Benjamin Franklin


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1 posted on 09/08/2012 2:49:55 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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2 posted on 09/08/2012 2:51:20 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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3 posted on 09/08/2012 2:51:53 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

It’s time the ATF apolarize to the country for Waco and RR and then apologize to Mexico for F&F.

And then we need to fire ALL of them.


4 posted on 09/08/2012 2:54:37 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

By extension, of extreme interest! Ping


5 posted on 09/08/2012 2:54:54 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: DogByte6RER
the power to “to seize and administratively forfeit property allegedly involved in controlled substance offenses

If this doesn't scare you, you're just not paying attention.

6 posted on 09/08/2012 2:59:22 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: stormhill

It scares the heck out of me but it doesn’t surprise me one little bit.


7 posted on 09/08/2012 3:03:44 PM PDT by Shady (The Tea Party is the Party of the American People, Working and creating wealth in SPITE of OBAMA!)
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To: OneWingedShark; bunkerhill7; SgtHooper; Gilbo_3; B4Ranch; cripplecreek

Interesting... in the sort of terrifying “I see what’s going to happen” way.


8 posted on 09/08/2012 3:04:53 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: gaijin

And jail many of them.


9 posted on 09/08/2012 3:05:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Shady

Death by Government is going to become the #1 killer in this country.


10 posted on 09/08/2012 3:06:02 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Just hope they go to the right address of the dope smugglers before they seize any property. Oh, the government and strong arm tactics; just like the IRS.
11 posted on 09/08/2012 3:08:31 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: DogByte6RER

So the Feds can shut down a website and seize its domain on the suspicion (not proof!) of intellectual property violations, and they can also take whatever the hell they want on suspicion that what they’re seizing is somehow involved in a drug transaction.

Even the hardcore Leftist government-should-control-and-do-eveything people I know are shocked and seriously alarmed by this.

What’s next..?


12 posted on 09/08/2012 3:11:39 PM PDT by verum ago (Be a bastard, and Karma'll be a bitch.)
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To: Shady
Ditto.

Since the beginning of the regime, I've found talking to people about the erosion of their liberties is like talking to a wall.

13 posted on 09/08/2012 3:15:16 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: stormhill
the power to “to seize and administratively forfeit property allegedly involved in controlled substance offenses

If this doesn't scare you, you're just not paying attention.

I'm by no means a "legalize marijuana" person, but it has scared me for years that the local police can seize cash and other property without due process.

Extending it to the ATF is scary, but the practice should have been found unconstitutional decades ago.

14 posted on 09/08/2012 3:19:28 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: DogByte6RER

They didn’t want organized crime and drug busters having all the confiscatory fun.

By the way, “administratively forfeit” doesn’t male sense. Administratively confiscated, yes. Or stolen, more accurately. The other side forfeits; you take.


15 posted on 09/08/2012 3:19:40 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: DogByte6RER
Just implementing plank #4 of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto.

The Ten Planks of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto
(and How Statists Implement Them)

  1. Abolition of private property rights (via high property taxes, restrictive zoning laws, "fair housing" edicts, environmental and "wetlands" regulations, and UN Agenda 21)

  2. Institution of a heavily graduated income tax (by calling it "taxing the rich")

  3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance (through a confiscatory estate tax on "the rich")

  4. Confiscation of the property of enemies of the state (through lawless application of asset forfeiture and eminent domain)

  5. Centralization of credit into the hands of the state (Federal Reserve, Federal Trade Commission, TARP, etc.)

  6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation into the hands of the state (FCC, DOT, FEMA, etc.).

  7. Consolidation and subjugation of all major industries to central government control (FDA, EPA, OSHA, ICC, NLRB, EEOC, etc.)

  8. Mandatory labor union membership (public-sector unions, unionization of 21-million Obamacare health care workers, automatic withholding of forced union dues, "card check," etc.)

  9. Equitable redistribution of all wealth (TANF, SSI, EITC, SNAP, etc.)

  10. Free public education (and food and health care and cell phones and Internet access, etc.)

16 posted on 09/08/2012 3:20:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: gaijin

Fire them all, and try Lon Horiuchi for multiple counts of murder. There are other agents who deserve it as well.


17 posted on 09/08/2012 3:20:54 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Of all the government agencies to grant more power to, the BATF is the most out of control, unconstitutional, abusive and most threatening to the average citizen.

At what point does a single elected official - supposedly our representatives - show that they still possess their cojones and stop these unconstitutional actions? I have no illusions that any of them have the cojones.

IF SECESSION NOT BE, THEN REVOLUTION MUST.


18 posted on 09/08/2012 3:23:07 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Tublecane
...administratively forfeit... The other side forfeits; you take

This is derived from the same Newspeak that makes the income tax system "voluntary".

19 posted on 09/08/2012 3:27:38 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: stormhill; Shady
If this doesn't scare you, you're just not paying attention.

It's not scary, it's a heads up.

20 posted on 09/08/2012 3:29:34 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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