Need Help Moving My Pastor Away From Social Justice Leanings

9-6-12 | Self

[CincyRichieRich]

What I need help with is primary sources/text/links so I can print them out for:

1. Where 0bama removed work requirement for welfare recipients. This was very recent.

2. Where 0bama favored, wrote about, voted on partial-birth abortion where the 1st doctor gets replaced by a second who finishes killing off the baby if the baby survives. Rush discussed this a few days ago.

3. Where 0bama requires all hospitals to fund abortions in 0bamacare and where he said he promised this would not be part of 0bamacare. This is known to us all, and the MSM has totally ignored it. Several Catholic organizations sued over it.

4. Where 0bama ruled on by edict, supports or voted on gay marriage.

Many thanks! No, I'm not lazy. Lazy would have been just getting pissed, leaving the church, and not taking the time to have this productive talk which could affect many congregants who are otherwise in the dark due to 0bama's state controlled media.

[CincyRichieRich]

I really appreciate any help in finding this stuff. Thanks

[mkmensinger]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/05/what_exactly_is_social_justice.html

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[al baby]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+Where+0bama+removed+work+requirement+for+welfare+recipients.+This+was+very+recent.#seen

[Zionist Conspirator]

Shouldn’t this be in the religion forum?

[Oldexpat]

Look for a new pastor.

[Hot Tabasco]

Not to offend you or anyone else, but the political leanings of any christian church leader are a definite turn off for me. Their job is to teach the word of God from the bible........

That's one of the reasons why I am still searching for a church that meets my needs.......

[prov1813man]

Sorry, but you are wasting your time. If you have a Bible believing Pastor with eyes to see and ears to hear, yet he is blind and deaf to the assault on our founding principles, the demonic reaction to any mention of God and the raging battle against all things decent being waged by the left with Obama as their savior, then no amount of facts and logic will change that.

Better to join forces with like minded believers than be stranded someplace “having the form of religion but lacking the power thereof”.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Look for a new pastor.

I think you meant to address the original poster, not me.

[EBH]

I found Mark 12 more helpful than any pastoral type debate...

From the rich vineyard builder whose sons are killed...to the hypocrisy of the pharisees to the poor widow...

As a whole...the three parables told together illustrate that God has no need for Caeser’s social justice.

[biggredd1]

commie care explained...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdnY8r7_fLw&feature=player_embedded#!

[TinCan]

Let me guess Methodist? Leave that church and find a church that believes that the Bible is the word of God.

[PeterPrinciple]

Many thanks! No, I’m not lazy. Lazy would have been just getting pissed, leaving the church, and not taking the time to have this productive talk which could affect many congregants who are otherwise in the dark due to 0bama’s state controlled media.

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Reminds me of a talk I had with an older gentlemen and who tried to correct the church. When I asked him how many battles he won, he looked down at the floor and said, “none of them.”

On an encouraging note, I would suggest you present Revelations chapter 2 and see if he agrees that the church needs to repent and go back to it’s first love. Don’t use your agruments, use Gods word.

Good luck.

[EBH]

Oh and as other’s say...

Find another church/pastor, but you are right to attempt to change hardened hearts, but even God tells us to shake the dust of our feet and move along.

[Yashcheritsiy]

That's one of the reasons why I am still searching for a church that meets my needs.......

Oddly enough, the plan isn't for the body of Christ to meet your needs, but for you to meet the body of Christ's purposes.

[cripplecreek]

I would ask if he believes that he will be saved by forcing others to do the right thing against their will.

Does he believe others will be saved if they are forced to do the right thing against their will?

Does he believe in collective salvation if government forces all to give against their will. Is there salvation for a evil man who pays his taxes but continues to do evil?

I would follow those questions by asking why you should worry about your own personal salvation if government is going to do it for you?

I’m not Catholic but I agree with the Pope on this one. Collective Salvation is demonically inspired. After all, what better way to get people to neglect their own souls than to convince them that its already taken care of when they pay taxes.

[Vigilanteman]

I recognize your tagline as Hebrew, but I am curious as to its meaning. Shalom.

[Fiji Hill]

Let me guess Methodist? Leave that church and find a church that believes that the Bible is the word of God.

I'm a Methodist, and my pastor believes that.

[rawcatslyentist]

If "my mooseSlime faith", and "we are no longer a Christian nation", don't sway him, he's not preaching the Gospel of our Savior!

The Holy Spirit is the only one able to sway him. Speak the Truth, and leave him be.

[Vigilanteman]

I would follow those questions by asking why you should worry about your own personal salvation if government is going to do it for you?

That's a very profound question that every person who claims to be a Christian and social justice advocate should answer.

Which society has more social justice? A modern capitalist society like America? Or a medieval feudal society?

What do the social justice advocates most commonly propose to replace capitalism? Some brand of modern feudalism.

[GeronL]

If he is a social justice liberal then nothing, no amount of evidence or truth or facts will ever change their minds.

[cranked]

Save yourself the effort and find another church and pastor....

[GeronL]

A pastor should not be afraid to bash leftists for abortion and gays and everything else.

[PeterPrinciple]

I would also encourage you to read the following from a church warrior perspective. You will be perceived as a wolf, not a watchdog.

http://www.killology.com/sheep_dog.htm

[ducttape45]

To leave or not to leave, it's up to you.

Many on here are saying that you should leave and find a better church, and that may be your only recourse, but you do what the Lord tells you to do. If He wants you to stay and battle, then do so. If He wants you to leave, then leave and find a better church.

I'm in the same type of predicament. The church I attend is awash in liberal thinking and they are using watered down versions of the Bible, like "The Voice." I have tried to point out the inaccuracies and outright blasphemous words in that translation to no avail. But right now this is where God wants me and that's where I'll stay until further notice.

Good luck, and my prayers are with you.

[Zionist Conspirator]

I recognize your tagline as Hebrew, but I am curious as to its meaning. Shalom.

It's from this weeks haftarah (Isaiah 60), actually: "The nation and kingdom that does not serve you shall perish."

[cripplecreek]

A recent example of a retiring free marketeer looking out for his own soul without any help from government.

Howard Cooper gives $1,000 per year of service to 89 employees as 'thank you'

[2sheep]

CFP: ‘Agenda 21’ and Why is the GOP Now Opposed to It? - Social justice” means the abolition of private property.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/49198

Kathleen Marquardt — Agenda 21, the end of Western Civilization - Part 1 (click Archive for the other parts)
http://newswithviews.com/Marquardt/kathleen103.htm

Agenda 21 - What Is It? Apparently it is a plan to reduce the population
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2738418/posts

Homeland Security Prepares for Civil War
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Homeland-Security-s-Intent-by-Jack-Swint-120821-433.html

The government purchase of 1.4 billion hollow points can’t be ignored.

[jespasinthru]

Stop even worrying about it. Forget that “separation of church and state” bull$#!t. When you go to church and the pastor tells you his political beliefs, the congregation is going to listen. Because we all see what time it is. And don’t forget to pass the hat!

[Hot Tabasco]

A pastor should not be afraid to bash leftists for abortion and gays and everything else.

Sorry but an alleged pastor's job is to preach the word of God, not to cast judgment on others.......correct me if I'm wrong but that's God's job isn't it?

"Send us your love offering and we'll send you a prayer hankey"........

[PeterPrinciple]

Sorry but an alleged pastor's job is to preach the word of God, not to cast judgment on others.......correct me if I'm wrong but that's God's job isn't it?

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We may not judge or know if someone is going to heaven but we can certainly be fruit inspectors, discerners and admonishers......................................

[Hot Tabasco]

We may not judge or know if someone is going to heaven but we can certainly be fruit inspectors, discerners and admonishers

So who fits the bill as being the chief inspector? The pastor that this thread is dedicated to? Or the scores of other pastors and priests who have been dethrowned, deflocked or just plain kicked out of their respective churches for violating the very Word of God that they professed to teach every Sunday morning?

I'm not arguing the validity of worship but rather the individual that christians put their faith in at their respective churches where every Sunday they are called upon to deposit their offerings in a basket that is passed around. Then every quarter the church conveniently sends out a mailing informing all its members how much every one has contributed while the pastor, a father of five, has the luxury of crusing around town in a new Corvette..........

[AD from SpringBay]

I wouldn’t worry about the secular sources. Show him scriptures and if he won’t hear them, find a new church home.

[AD from SpringBay]

Sorry but an alleged pastor's job is to preach the word of God, not to cast judgment on others.......correct me if I'm wrong but that's God's job isn't it?

I don't equate noticing that something is wrong as judgmental. All believers should be able to discern right from wrong and call it the way it is. Three generations of the 'nonjudgmental' mantra has taken us here. I see where this current secular road ends and I don't want to continue. We can be better than what we have become. Without having our sins pointed out, how could anyone understand their need for a savior? And, absolutely yes, a Pastor should preach only the word, even the unpopular parts.

[cripplecreek]

"It was Sunday morning early in the year 1776. In the church where Pastor Muhlenberg preached, it was a regular service for his congregation, but a quite different affair for Muhlenberg himself. Muhlenberg's text for the day was Ecclesiastes 3 where it explains, 'To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under heaven; a time to be born, and a time to die, a time to plant, and a time to pluck what is planted...'"

"Coming to the end of his sermon, Peter Muhlenberg turned to his congregation and said, 'In the language of the holy writ, there was a time for all things, a time to preach and a time to pray, but those times have passed away.' As those assembled looked on, Pastor Muhlenberg declared, 'There is a time to fight, and that time is now coming!' Muhlenberg then proceeded to remove his robes revealing, to the shock of his congregation, a military uniform."

"Marching to the back of the church he declared, 'Who among you is with me?' On that day 300 men from his church stood up and joined Peter Muhlenberg. They eventually became the 8th Virginia Brigade fighting for liberty."

"Frederick Muhlenberg, Peter's brother, was against Peter's level of involvement in the war. Peter responded to Frederick writing, 'I am a Clergyman it is true, but I am a member of the Society as well as the poorest Layman, and my Liberty is as dear to me as any man, shall I then sit still and enjoy myself at Home when the best Blood of the Covenant is spilling? ...So far am I from thinking that I act wrong, I am convinced it is my duty to do so and duly I owe to God and my country."

Black Robe Regiment

[PeterPrinciple]

So who fits the bill as being the chief inspector?

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I don't disagree with a word you've said. I am very frustrated with churches now. In fact I have stopped going because most are just club houses from my perspective, but am seeking Gods perspective.

In the mean time I have been spending much time studying the Bible.

Now who is the chief inspector, I don't know but I can be an inspector and test them against Gods Word. In fact it is quite fun until they stick me down in a dry well...........

[cripplecreek]

Stop even worrying about it. Forget that “separation of church and state” bull$#!t.

History has tried to forget that the seeds of the American revolution were sown by the colonial churches speaking out for freedom.

[Boogieman]

I’m just wondering if arguing political points is going to do anything to change your pastor’s mind. I think he’s probably not only taken a political position, but also merged that in his own mind with a spiritual outlook. Maybe it’s best to convince him that his conception of how God views “social justice” is mistaken, and go for the head of the snake, so to speak.

One argument I can think of in that regard, is to simply point out that it is the Lord, not the government, who reserves the power to giveth and taketh away. It’s God who we should look towards to bless us with success in our earthly endeavors, and not Caesar. Government is, after all, just something that we have to suffer under until the King returns, and if we place our faith in government, we are no wiser than if we place faith in any human vanity.

[Hot Tabasco]

Thank you and I appreciate your honesty.......the “Club House” was a perfect term for what I am seeing in churches and which keeps me from committing to one.

[SaraJohnson]

I think it is great that you care enough to make a case to him. Ignorance is not bliss in the long run. :)

If he continues to push leftist power/socialism, get of the “church.” Starve the beast.

[Vigilanteman]

Thanks so much. Too many of my fellow Christians give the Old Testament short shift. There’s a LOT of good stuff in there and much of it very relevant to our day, especially in Isaiah.

[Vigilanteman]

Great story. Thanks.

I worked for a man once who was this ethical, just not that wealthy. He still arranged to get me a modest severance sum when the board forced us out in a political coup. They were so hungry for power that the money meant little to them. We probably could have gotten even more, but the boss felt it best to leave them in a good position financially so they couldn't complain.

[TinCan]

That’s Good. We had to leave the Methodist church ten years ago. The last three that they sent us were very liberal. One told me in a private conversation that the Jews were blood thirsty.

[Fiji Hill]

That’s Good. We had to leave the Methodist church ten years ago. The last three that they sent us were very liberal. One told me in a private conversation that the Jews were blood thirsty.

If a pastor told me that, I'd be out of that church before you could say Lane Kiffin.

Our pastor is Korean and was a businessman before he went into the ministry. I believe he went to Fuller Theological Seminary--in any case, he didn't go to the über-liberal Claremont Theological Seminary that trains most Methodist clergy in Southern California.

[mdmathis6]

Study the passage where Judas Iscariot criticizes Jesus for allowing an expensive bottle of perfume to be poured out on his feet by a penitive prostitute.

“ought not that box had been sold and given to the poor?” Those words as well as the explanation of Judas’ motives were spelled out. If you will note, many “ Christian” social justice advocates use the same type of arguments against the church and other christians. Judas had no care for the poor, but he kept the money box for the group and he liked to steal from it. We also know it was Judas that betrayed Jesus. That’s why I am on record here at FR as declaring Judas Iscariot as being history’s first “Christian”(in name only) social justice advocate!

Do you think I beleive many modern such “advocates” would betray Christ, to advance their own agendas in the name of “christianity”? You betcha! So share this posting with your priest or pastor.

Perhaps not all such groups are evil but we must be wise and use some critical standards when evaluating such groups who are demanding funds and votes for favored candidates from our church churches and fellow believers. Sure some poor soul might get a crust of bread from some ministry but is the “bread of Life”, the Gospel of Jesus actually being promoted...or some poser’s bank accounts?

[mdmathis6]

oops! “penitive” should have been “penitent”
sorry!

[Gene Eric]

>> Look for a new pastor.

No, it’s good there’s an interested in correction.

[Gene Eric]

an interest in

[Gene Eric]

It’s only necessary to tell your pastor his heart is closed to Christ, and is instead welcoming the word of Hell.

[PeterPrinciple]

No, it’s good there’s an interest in correction.

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In support of your position:

1Co 11:18 First, I hear that there are divisions among you when you meet as a church, and to some extent I believe it.
1Co 11:19 But, of course, there must be divisions among you so that you who have God’s approval will be recognized!

On the other hand I like the “shake the dust from you feet”, it is easier.