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Girl spent 8 hours beneath bodies in French Alps (update to yesterday's story)
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Posted on 09/06/2012 3:43:59 AM PDT by nuconvert

Immobilized with fear, a 4-year-old British girl huddled for eight hours beneath the legs of her slain mother in the back of a car filled with corpses on a remote Alpine road — all while French investigators stood nearby, unaware the girl was there.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


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1 posted on 09/06/2012 3:44:10 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert

Wow.


2 posted on 09/06/2012 4:09:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (A meal without wine is like ... breakfast.)
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To: nuconvert

Prayers for this little girl. I can’t even begin to imagine what she saw, heard and endured till rescued.


3 posted on 09/06/2012 4:29:02 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

and prayers for her 8 yr old sister whose skull was smashed by the madman who did this, and who is supposedly still clinging to life

the last instincts of her mother and grandmother saved this child’s life


4 posted on 09/06/2012 4:43:46 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: nuconvert

Half assed police work. FIRST thing you do when you find casualties is you count them and assess their life signs. NOT look through the window!

Brought to you by the same geniuses that pulled over with Princess Diana on the side of the road instead of rushing her to the hospital.


5 posted on 09/06/2012 4:50:28 AM PDT by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: nuconvert

excellent french investigation strikes again. sarc no friggin wonder they never found the fiat that was crashed into Diana’s Mercedes


6 posted on 09/06/2012 5:55:57 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: mwilli20

“Brought to you by the same geniuses that pulled over with Princess Diana on the side of the road instead of rushing her to the hospital”

That’s how they keep the medical costs down in France....seriously.


7 posted on 09/06/2012 6:01:16 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: nuconvert
The violence of this raises suspicions about who involved. A bit of confirmation; but a great deal of mystery per this brutal unfolding.

DETAILS/Photos: here:

dailymail link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article

The two other bodies are believed to be those of her grandmother and father, who has been named as Saad Al Hilli, a Baghdad-born business secretary who now lives with his family in upmarket Claygate in Surrey.

( He is also believed to have been the secretary of a Wiltshire-based aerial photography company, AMS 1087, since 2007)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198777/Lake-Annecy-shooting-French-Alps-Girl-4-ALIVE--murdered-father-named-Saad-Al-Hilli.html#ixzz25hPnk4TT Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198777/Lake-Annecy-shooting-French-Alps-Girl-4-ALIVE--murdered-father-named-Saad-Al-Hilli.html#ixzz25hPKNb86

8 posted on 09/06/2012 7:20:07 AM PDT by cricket
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To: cricket
Iraqi and Swiss passports..
BMW Luxury vehicle
Children witnesses/heavy guard by authorities..
Campsites of repeat campers-- said this family had never
been seen before.. aka 'secluded car park'
The victims were discovered by a British cyclist, who formerly RAF

Ongoing coverage - http://bit.ly/QgFovv

Could be a espionage/thriller novel..more interesting to read than the
#DNC2012 The same old-new-ideas Speech Writers take DNC speeches directly from FDR [History site] and Clinton past President needed to "rubber stamp" Obama 4 the good of the Party "We Are Govt First" while members Boo God and Jerusalem

9 posted on 09/06/2012 1:56:32 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: nuconvert

Nothing to see. Move along, move along...

Same old story, same old song-and-dance.

Nothing substantive will be done.

This crap will happen again, on another day, in another place.

It will never end until we saddle up, ride out, and kill the perps ourselves. With our own bare hands if necessary.


10 posted on 09/06/2012 2:10:35 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GOPe 2012: MITT HAPPENS)
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To: HKMk23

Probably Amish related...


11 posted on 09/06/2012 2:15:15 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

You make very good points there. This is a dark and murky story.


12 posted on 09/06/2012 8:10:52 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: yldstrk; cricket; fight_truth_decay

Ah Yldstrk, don’t be so hard on the French authorities involved in the Diana case. They didn’t WANT to find that Fiat. And it is so hard to find something if you do not want to.

As for this case, I have an alternative reading of the “mistakes”. There have been two of them. Firstly, the procurer - a high state official - said that the child who was shot had died. In fact, it was soon revealed that she was being rushed to hospital. They also claimed that there was no word on the other child, because it was eight hours before they found her, hiding in the car. This is possible - in a car sealed off for forensics - but it is strange.

Possibly, they have been trying to conceal the fact that the two children survived. They are under police guard now, and need to be. They would be safer if believed dead. They are in great danger if “someone” moves to close their mouths - they are the only witnesses in a case with overtones of the intelligence agencies.


13 posted on 09/06/2012 9:07:35 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil
More at Sun Telegraph: excerpt:

Probe into 'feud link'

By STEPHEN MOYES;

THE Alps massacre may have come in the wake of a family feud, it was hinted at last night. French cops were believed to be investigating whether a “family drama” could have played a part in the horror.

Sources claimed detectives were probing this line of inquiry — as well as theories the killings may have resulted from a botched robbery or the family stumbling on a drug deal.

Yesterday it emerged Saad confided to a neighbour that something was troubling him before he went on holiday. Jack Saltman, 75, revealed Iraqi-born Saad begged him to keep an eye on his empty house.

Read more:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4525062/Brit-girl-4-who-survived-massacre-in-French-Alps-asked-police-Wheres-my-mummy.html#ixzz25ksJls3J

14 posted on 09/06/2012 9:37:34 PM PDT by cricket
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To: BlackVeil

Intelligence agencies target children now?


15 posted on 09/07/2012 3:50:03 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: silverleaf

‘Madman’? The person or persons who did this weren’t madmen, they were evil, cold, calculated murderers well worthy of an ignominious death at the end of a rope.

A genuine madman who kills has no rational reason for what he does, nor can they perceive that what they have done is wrong. That sort of person cannot be held fully culpable for their actions.


16 posted on 09/07/2012 10:31:27 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: nuconvert

Hmmm..an execution...of British “Iraqi” (betting Iranian BTW..given what else is playing out) refugee assets..while the French diddle trying to decide which side they going to dance with...


17 posted on 09/07/2012 10:36:00 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: mo

My thought is that he was heavily involved in some sort of clandestine activity, whether espionage or smuggling, and that he used his camping trips and his family as a cover for his rendevous, and these activities were the source of his income, which appears to have been comfortable.

So my next thought is that he pushed his side of the deal too far and he thought he was making his usual contact on this outing, but his correspondents had other plans for him and his family on this final occasion.

This is the only sort of thing that makes any sense to me.


18 posted on 09/08/2012 9:24:32 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: BlackVeil; yldstrk; cricket

..the sibling who was accused of having money issues with the victim, has come forward to say he was not involved..now authorities are focusing on “satellite” employment of the intended execution style “2 shots to the head/victim. Maybe intent to sent a message as family also shot? and eye witnesses[wrong place, wrong time? or intended meeting?]; as seems the killer[s]could have targeted the former Iraqi citizen/satellite specialist on his own.


19 posted on 09/09/2012 9:22:49 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: yldstrk

Enemy Intelligence: Iranians, Russians..etc killers have no conscience Look at Syria


20 posted on 09/09/2012 9:26:45 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: dr_lew; mo

#19


21 posted on 09/09/2012 9:29:46 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

Thanks for the update. There are so many aspects to this story.


22 posted on 09/09/2012 5:10:49 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: dr_lew
Your suggestions pick up on themes which are found in the French media. As soon as the shooting happened, they started to speculate about crime gangs and "activities" in that area. Although they also said that shootings are rare.

I tend to believe that it is the intelligence agencies, but crime is always possible, and one can't rule anything out.

There are some odd hints in this report from a news story today:

"I saw an English car coming up the road from the village," said Mr Fillion-Robin, who has not yet been interviewed by police. "There were no other cars with it. I did not see or hear any other cars pass by that afternoon."

The house is the final property before the road climbs 3km to the car park in a national park above Lake Annecy.

Police have revealed that the Iraq-born Mr Hilli, 50, his dentist wife Ikbal, 47, his Swedish mother-in-law Suhaila al-Allaf, 74, and a cyclist, Sylvain Mollier, 45, were each shot two times in the head and that 25 bullets were fired in the attack.

Mr Fillion-Robin said: "I didn't hear any shooting. You do hear shooting from the hunters sometimes but I didn't hear anything that afternoon. Perhaps they had a silencer."

The builder, who lives in a nearby village, said it was "bizarre" for the family to have gone to the car park. "It is not the sort of place that families with young children or older people would go to," he said.

There is something odd about that car park in the high area of the nature reserve, and the witness is not saying exactly what it is.

23 posted on 09/09/2012 7:59:30 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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There is something odd about that car park in the high area of the nature reserve, and the witness is not saying exactly what it is.

I have been gleaning the internet for background information on this area. First of all, it's hard to identify the location in Google Earth or Google Maps. There are a number of photos of the crime scene with reporters swarming over it. I believe it was a one shot deal. They had to walk about two miles to get there, I believe. You can follow the road to the place which must be the "car park" but it's hard to match it up with the pictures. The road rises from 1828 ft to 2460 ft, but it is running along the bottom of a valley with two steep forested slopes on either side. In Google Earth, it's hard to distinguish the paths and trails which go on from there from the one lane road. However if you pay attention to the vertical relief, you can reconcile the view with the pictures, I think. Anyway, this has to be it, although I'd certainly be interested in other opinions.

The strange thing about his going there with his family is that it is nothing but a dead end unless you are equipped for some challenging mountain hiking or biking.

24 posted on 09/09/2012 9:07:55 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: fight_truth_decay
Have not read any updates; personally; find his occupation makes this even more curious. A 'suspect' line of work; particularly, IMHO; given he is a Muslim.

Am wondering who are the Clients of this company; where he was employed. And just what, kind of info/for whom; is 'the 'gathering'.

25 posted on 09/10/2012 1:12:36 PM PDT by cricket
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To: fight_truth_decay
OK. . .jusr checked (London)The Telegraph. . .this is seemingly, latest info made public; in any event:

Detectives investigating the shooting in the alps massacre are looking into whether Saad Al-Hilli could have been targeted over links to the defence industry.

Mr Al-Hilli was killed alongside his wife and mother-in-law last week. His daughters Zainab, seven, and Zeena, four, survived the killing.

There is growing speculation over the motives for the killings. French detectives are reportedly keen to question work colleagues of Saad after discovering that he was killed while working on a secret contract for one of Britain's biggest defence companies.

Mr Al-Hilli worked for Surrey Satellites Technology Limited (SSTL) near Guildford, and detectives are expected to ask colleagues about whether his work may have made him a target for assassination.

Mr Al-Hilli was part of a team involved in an undisclosed project linked to European Aeronautic Defence and Space. The company designs and launches satellites for clients who want an "eye in the sky" for commercial, civil or security purposes.

. . .do think this is where the trail leads; just hope they get to 'end of it'.

link: The Telegraph link

26 posted on 09/10/2012 1:31:41 PM PDT by cricket
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To: mwilli20

They are pretty stupid cops over there. Inspector Clouseau could have done better.

Prayers for the two young survivors.


27 posted on 09/10/2012 1:35:26 PM PDT by miserare
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To: cricket; fight_truth_decay

24 to 25 rounds were fired, most likely from a single Skorpion automatic pistol chambered in .32 ACP.

That same weapon was also used in the nearby assasination of Momir Gavrilovic in Belgrade in August of 2001. Gavrilovic was entirely enmeshed in black ops for Serbia as well as European cigarette smuggling for his own pocket.

...and even though it was a an automatic machinegun pistol, the hitmen shot Momir twice in the head and once in the chest with his burst.

Fast forward to August of 2012 in France, where each of the 4 victims was shot twice in the head and once in the chest with the same Skorpion automatic machine pistol.

Same area. Same MO. Same caliber of ammo. Likely the same, or same type of, weapon.

OH, that weapon is the weapon of choice for Serbia’s Red Beret Spec Ops.

Say what you will about the Serbs pro or con, no one doubts their accuracy and proficiency with firearms.

Same time of year for both jobs, too. August in Europe is when most government workers are “on holiday” vacations...available for side jobs.


28 posted on 09/10/2012 10:39:31 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: yldstrk

The 7 year old girl was *outside* the locked BMW. It’s reasonable to conclude that she was outside during the attack because it is unlikely that she would open, close, and lock the BMW after surviving that attack in her condition.

The violence to her head could have been from being hit by the attacker’s car, which would also explain why she was only hit once in the shoulder if that driver was firing while moving as he turned off the road toward the BMW.

The BMW had its doors locked and was in reverse, getting stuck on the incline behind it.

Obviously you would be in a big hurry to leave your 7 year old daughter outside. They saw what was coming.


29 posted on 09/10/2012 11:00:34 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: cricket
Speaking of defense industry murders ....reminds me of the Wheeler dumpster case.
30 posted on 09/11/2012 12:15:25 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: BlackVeil
his dentist wife Ikbal

The man's defense industry connections are probably more of interest but maybe its something else. Wonder if she had any famous clients or identified someone questionable based on dental records?

31 posted on 09/11/2012 12:26:13 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Southack

that’s intersting stuff there...


32 posted on 09/11/2012 12:30:10 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa

yeah that was a weird one


33 posted on 09/11/2012 5:31:20 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Southack

This all reminds me of “Day of the Jackal.”


34 posted on 09/11/2012 12:27:41 PM PDT by miserare
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To: miserare

3 more people have now been murdered in a car by a small caliber automatic weapon user in France (Corsica).


35 posted on 09/12/2012 9:50:06 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Corsica? Mafia war?


36 posted on 09/12/2012 4:50:56 PM PDT by miserare
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