Skip to comments.Girl spent 8 hours beneath bodies in French Alps (update to yesterday's story)
Posted on 09/06/2012 3:43:59 AM PDT by nuconvert
Immobilized with fear, a 4-year-old British girl huddled for eight hours beneath the legs of her slain mother in the back of a car filled with corpses on a remote Alpine road all while French investigators stood nearby, unaware the girl was there.
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Prayers for this little girl. I can’t even begin to imagine what she saw, heard and endured till rescued.
and prayers for her 8 yr old sister whose skull was smashed by the madman who did this, and who is supposedly still clinging to life
the last instincts of her mother and grandmother saved this child’s life
Half assed police work. FIRST thing you do when you find casualties is you count them and assess their life signs. NOT look through the window!
Brought to you by the same geniuses that pulled over with Princess Diana on the side of the road instead of rushing her to the hospital.
excellent french investigation strikes again. sarc no friggin wonder they never found the fiat that was crashed into Diana’s Mercedes
“Brought to you by the same geniuses that pulled over with Princess Diana on the side of the road instead of rushing her to the hospital”
That’s how they keep the medical costs down in France....seriously.
The two other bodies are believed to be those of her grandmother and father, who has been named as Saad Al Hilli, a Baghdad-born business secretary who now lives with his family in upmarket Claygate in Surrey.
( He is also believed to have been the secretary of a Wiltshire-based aerial photography company, AMS 1087, since 2007)
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198777/Lake-Annecy-shooting-French-Alps-Girl-4-ALIVE--murdered-father-named-Saad-Al-Hilli.html#ixzz25hPnk4TT Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198777/Lake-Annecy-shooting-French-Alps-Girl-4-ALIVE--murdered-father-named-Saad-Al-Hilli.html#ixzz25hPKNb86
Ongoing coverage - http://bit.ly/QgFovv
Could be a espionage/thriller novel..more interesting to read than the
#DNC2012 The same old-new-ideas Speech Writers take DNC speeches directly from FDR [History site] and Clinton past President needed to "rubber stamp" Obama 4 the good of the Party "We Are Govt First" while members Boo God and Jerusalem
Nothing to see. Move along, move along...
Same old story, same old song-and-dance.
Nothing substantive will be done.
This crap will happen again, on another day, in another place.
It will never end until we saddle up, ride out, and kill the perps ourselves. With our own bare hands if necessary.
Probably Amish related...
You make very good points there. This is a dark and murky story.
Ah Yldstrk, don’t be so hard on the French authorities involved in the Diana case. They didn’t WANT to find that Fiat. And it is so hard to find something if you do not want to.
As for this case, I have an alternative reading of the “mistakes”. There have been two of them. Firstly, the procurer - a high state official - said that the child who was shot had died. In fact, it was soon revealed that she was being rushed to hospital. They also claimed that there was no word on the other child, because it was eight hours before they found her, hiding in the car. This is possible - in a car sealed off for forensics - but it is strange.
Possibly, they have been trying to conceal the fact that the two children survived. They are under police guard now, and need to be. They would be safer if believed dead. They are in great danger if “someone” moves to close their mouths - they are the only witnesses in a case with overtones of the intelligence agencies.
Probe into 'feud link'
By STEPHEN MOYES;
THE Alps massacre may have come in the wake of a family feud, it was hinted at last night. French cops were believed to be investigating whether a family drama could have played a part in the horror.
Sources claimed detectives were probing this line of inquiry as well as theories the killings may have resulted from a botched robbery or the family stumbling on a drug deal.
Yesterday it emerged Saad confided to a neighbour that something was troubling him before he went on holiday. Jack Saltman, 75, revealed Iraqi-born Saad begged him to keep an eye on his empty house.
Intelligence agencies target children now?
‘Madman’? The person or persons who did this weren’t madmen, they were evil, cold, calculated murderers well worthy of an ignominious death at the end of a rope.
A genuine madman who kills has no rational reason for what he does, nor can they perceive that what they have done is wrong. That sort of person cannot be held fully culpable for their actions.
Hmmm..an execution...of British “Iraqi” (betting Iranian BTW..given what else is playing out) refugee assets..while the French diddle trying to decide which side they going to dance with...
My thought is that he was heavily involved in some sort of clandestine activity, whether espionage or smuggling, and that he used his camping trips and his family as a cover for his rendevous, and these activities were the source of his income, which appears to have been comfortable.
So my next thought is that he pushed his side of the deal too far and he thought he was making his usual contact on this outing, but his correspondents had other plans for him and his family on this final occasion.
This is the only sort of thing that makes any sense to me.
..the sibling who was accused of having money issues with the victim, has come forward to say he was not involved..now authorities are focusing on “satellite” employment of the intended execution style “2 shots to the head/victim. Maybe intent to sent a message as family also shot? and eye witnesses[wrong place, wrong time? or intended meeting?]; as seems the killer[s]could have targeted the former Iraqi citizen/satellite specialist on his own.
Enemy Intelligence: Iranians, Russians..etc killers have no conscience Look at Syria
Thanks for the update. There are so many aspects to this story.
I tend to believe that it is the intelligence agencies, but crime is always possible, and one can't rule anything out.
There are some odd hints in this report from a news story today:
"I saw an English car coming up the road from the village," said Mr Fillion-Robin, who has not yet been interviewed by police. "There were no other cars with it. I did not see or hear any other cars pass by that afternoon."
The house is the final property before the road climbs 3km to the car park in a national park above Lake Annecy.
Police have revealed that the Iraq-born Mr Hilli, 50, his dentist wife Ikbal, 47, his Swedish mother-in-law Suhaila al-Allaf, 74, and a cyclist, Sylvain Mollier, 45, were each shot two times in the head and that 25 bullets were fired in the attack.
Mr Fillion-Robin said: "I didn't hear any shooting. You do hear shooting from the hunters sometimes but I didn't hear anything that afternoon. Perhaps they had a silencer."
The builder, who lives in a nearby village, said it was "bizarre" for the family to have gone to the car park. "It is not the sort of place that families with young children or older people would go to," he said.
There is something odd about that car park in the high area of the nature reserve, and the witness is not saying exactly what it is.
I have been gleaning the internet for background information on this area. First of all, it's hard to identify the location in Google Earth or Google Maps. There are a number of photos of the crime scene with reporters swarming over it. I believe it was a one shot deal. They had to walk about two miles to get there, I believe. You can follow the road to the place which must be the "car park" but it's hard to match it up with the pictures. The road rises from 1828 ft to 2460 ft, but it is running along the bottom of a valley with two steep forested slopes on either side. In Google Earth, it's hard to distinguish the paths and trails which go on from there from the one lane road. However if you pay attention to the vertical relief, you can reconcile the view with the pictures, I think. Anyway, this has to be it, although I'd certainly be interested in other opinions.
The strange thing about his going there with his family is that it is nothing but a dead end unless you are equipped for some challenging mountain hiking or biking.
Am wondering who are the Clients of this company; where he was employed. And just what, kind of info/for whom; is 'the 'gathering'.
Detectives investigating the shooting in the alps massacre are looking into whether Saad Al-Hilli could have been targeted over links to the defence industry.
Mr Al-Hilli was killed alongside his wife and mother-in-law last week. His daughters Zainab, seven, and Zeena, four, survived the killing.
There is growing speculation over the motives for the killings. French detectives are reportedly keen to question work colleagues of Saad after discovering that he was killed while working on a secret contract for one of Britain's biggest defence companies.
Mr Al-Hilli worked for Surrey Satellites Technology Limited (SSTL) near Guildford, and detectives are expected to ask colleagues about whether his work may have made him a target for assassination.
Mr Al-Hilli was part of a team involved in an undisclosed project linked to European Aeronautic Defence and Space. The company designs and launches satellites for clients who want an "eye in the sky" for commercial, civil or security purposes.
. . .do think this is where the trail leads; just hope they get to 'end of it'.
link: The Telegraph link
They are pretty stupid cops over there. Inspector Clouseau could have done better.
Prayers for the two young survivors.
24 to 25 rounds were fired, most likely from a single Skorpion automatic pistol chambered in .32 ACP.
That same weapon was also used in the nearby assasination of Momir Gavrilovic in Belgrade in August of 2001. Gavrilovic was entirely enmeshed in black ops for Serbia as well as European cigarette smuggling for his own pocket.
...and even though it was a an automatic machinegun pistol, the hitmen shot Momir twice in the head and once in the chest with his burst.
Fast forward to August of 2012 in France, where each of the 4 victims was shot twice in the head and once in the chest with the same Skorpion automatic machine pistol.
Same area. Same MO. Same caliber of ammo. Likely the same, or same type of, weapon.
OH, that weapon is the weapon of choice for Serbia’s Red Beret Spec Ops.
Say what you will about the Serbs pro or con, no one doubts their accuracy and proficiency with firearms.
Same time of year for both jobs, too. August in Europe is when most government workers are “on holiday” vacations...available for side jobs.
The 7 year old girl was *outside* the locked BMW. It’s reasonable to conclude that she was outside during the attack because it is unlikely that she would open, close, and lock the BMW after surviving that attack in her condition.
The violence to her head could have been from being hit by the attacker’s car, which would also explain why she was only hit once in the shoulder if that driver was firing while moving as he turned off the road toward the BMW.
The BMW had its doors locked and was in reverse, getting stuck on the incline behind it.
Obviously you would be in a big hurry to leave your 7 year old daughter outside. They saw what was coming.
The man's defense industry connections are probably more of interest but maybe its something else. Wonder if she had any famous clients or identified someone questionable based on dental records?
that’s intersting stuff there...
yeah that was a weird one
This all reminds me of “Day of the Jackal.”
3 more people have now been murdered in a car by a small caliber automatic weapon user in France (Corsica).
Corsica? Mafia war?
Latest update : 2014-06-04
A former French soldier who was questioned as part of an investigation into the 2012 murder of four people in the French Alps was on Tuesday found dead in a suspected suicide, an official said.
Annecy prosecutor Eric Maillaud said the man a former Legionnaire and paratrooper had "left a note of six or seven pages in which he said he was disturbed by the questioning. He felt accused".
"It does not make this the main or sole reason for his action," Maillaud said, adding that the 50-year-old had not been a suspect in the case.
The man, whose name was not made public, was found dead in his home in Ugine, in eastern France, on Tuesday afternoon. He reportedly died from a gunshot wound.
The police investigation in question was the September 5, 2012, murder of three members of the British-Iraqi al-Hilli family who were shot dead in their BMW in a woodland car park close to the village of Chevaline in the hills above Lake Annecy. A French cyclist Sylvain Mollier was also found shot dead at the scene.
Maillaud said the soldier had been questioned for two hours last year due to his links to Molliers family.
The two al-Hilli daughters, then aged four and seven, survived the attack in which more than 20 bullets were fired. The oldest daughter, Zainab, 7, was shot in the shoulder and beaten around the head, leaving her with a fractured skull. Her 4-year-old sister, Zeena, hid for eight hours under the skirt of her dead mother in the back of the family's car and survived without any injuries.
More than 1,300 people have been questioned in the police investigation into the al-Hilli family murders.