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David Koch breaks from GOP on gay marriage, taxes, defense cuts
Politico ^ | 8/30/12 8:09 PM EDT | Kenneth P. Vogel

Posted on 08/30/2012 6:56:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: KoRn

The United States already collects in taxes about 19 percent of GNP. No tax system is going to increase that. The Laffer Curve demonstrates that there is a break point where tax increases result in lower tax revenues. No free country can sustain taxation above 19.5% of GNP.

The tax increases that you favor will only depress the economy and spur the further growth of the underground economy.


21 posted on 08/30/2012 7:32:53 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: jwalsh07

Agreed. The idea that MORE taxes are needed is effing insane.

This country is awash in government spending and much of it is used to attack, denigrate and undermine those of us who pay it in.


22 posted on 08/30/2012 7:33:22 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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Homosexual “marriage” is not about the marriage of homosexuals, it’s about forcing homosexuality on those that want no part of it.


23 posted on 08/30/2012 7:34:09 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I am a libertarian..I don’t believe in gay marriage but I also don’t believe the federal government should have a say in marriage at all..leave it to the states. It’s not the federal governments job to legislate morality. I do think homosexuals are a**holes about this. They know that it grinds the religious people, they know there are other avenues that most people would be ok with(a plurality..except for the fundamentalists)..they press the issue to make it seem like there is hate when there is none.


24 posted on 08/30/2012 7:39:45 PM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: aft_lizard
I am a libertarian..I don’t believe in gay marriage but I also don’t believe the federal government should have a say in marriage at all..leave it to the states.

That makes homosexual marriage legal in all fifty states, because parents are either married or not, it can't depend on which state they are in.

25 posted on 08/30/2012 7:52:01 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: KoRn; dfwgator

Argghhh! Why should anyone pay a dime more in taxes until the obscene levels of waste, corruption, and outright theft in government are curtailed?

Besides, raising taxes does nothing for the debt. First, the higher taxes never bring in what is “expected”, because higher taxes discourage wealth creation. Second, the jerks in Washington just keep spending. Until the size and power of the federal government is reduced, we will not be able to reduce the debt!


26 posted on 08/30/2012 7:53:17 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: ansel12

It wouldn’t make it legal.Current laws outside of DOMA are by state by state and is up to inter state recognition(ie one state could theoretically not recognize your marriage). We leave it up to individual states to determine who can get married based on age, relationship..whether or not you have an STD..nature of the marriage(is it sanctioned, common law, etc)..so by repealing DOMA you are simply saying that the federal government accepts a marriage as defined by that indivdual state.


27 posted on 08/30/2012 8:07:11 PM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: Olog-hai

Let david pay more taxes if he wishes to or he can STFU. Take his money and spend it... leave his suggestions in the septic tank.

LLS


28 posted on 08/30/2012 8:13:59 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (If romney is our only chance... we have less of a chance than a Massachusetts fetus.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Reagan fell for that EXACT BS... NO new taxes! CUT SPENDING!

LLS

29 posted on 08/30/2012 8:18:55 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (If romney is our only chance... we have less of a chance than a Massachusetts fetus.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"National defense, veterans, roads & bridges (fuel tax only) every other program cut at least 80% and NO MORE WELFARE of any kind. Phase out Social Security & Medicare and privatize them. No more food stamps, Section 8, TANF, WIC, Head Start, etc. Either work or don't eat, unless you're provably disabled by three separate panels of doctors. Don't like that? Leave!!"

Sounds like a winner to me! The bottom line is that our .gov needs to return to it's Constitutionally mandated role, per the design of our founders.

30 posted on 08/30/2012 8:23:19 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Olog-hai

Mr. Koch is right about needing to raise taxes. The 47% of the people who pay no federal income tax which includes people, who get the Earned Income T Credit, need to start paying. The Earned Income Tax Credit pays people with incomes up to $49,078 a year instead of them contributing to maintaining the government. The EITC needs to be done away with.

While it is true that these are tax increases, I don’t think any libertarian (or conservative) should object.


31 posted on 08/30/2012 8:34:34 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You left out the single payer socialized school industry. Doing away with that entitlement would dwarf the savings from all the ones you listed except SS and Medicare.

We should also reduce the military budget by issuing Letters of Marque and Reprisal. Let the private sector put up the money and make a profit from some of these conflicts.


32 posted on 08/30/2012 8:50:08 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: KoRn

sure the govt should raise taxes because history shows they always use the extra money to

a) reduce the deficit or
b) invest it so much more wisely than I do....

sarc


33 posted on 08/30/2012 8:58:18 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: aft_lizard

Right now all states recognize each other’s marriages, even common law, this temporary issue with homosexual marriage will be resolved in the same way, as you know.

Five or 15 years from now there will be no states that do not recognize what will become a common marriage practice between consenting adults, by that time polygamy will be legal as well, as we discard the definition of “marriage” totally, and use the word for all consenting adult relationships of that nature.


34 posted on 08/30/2012 9:18:14 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: SUSSA
We should also reduce the military budget by issuing Letters of Marque and Reprisal. Let the private sector put up the money and make a profit from some of these conflicts.

How would that work in Grenada, or Desert Storm, Or the Iraqi invasion, or Afghanistan, or in a close to war stand off with China?

35 posted on 08/30/2012 9:29:01 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Only if your marriage was recognized as such in a state that accepts common-law which is only about 8 states. So while California doesn’t have common law, it will recognize a common law marriage from Kansas. On the verse though if you lived with someone long enough to be common law in another state in California your belief that you have a common law marriage won’t be recognized in a state that does have common law marriage until you fulfill whatever laws and regulations they deem necessary to have a common law marriage.


36 posted on 08/30/2012 9:35:56 PM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: KoRn

And you really believe the gubmint would cut the spending as well as cut the taxes when the fiscal house was in order?What are you 15 years old? Unbelievable.


37 posted on 08/30/2012 9:39:50 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: aft_lizard

I know that, but all states recognize each other’s marriages, even common law marriages.

That is why I said it,
“”Right now all states recognize each other’s marriages, even common law, this temporary issue with homosexual marriage will be resolved in the same way, as you know.””


38 posted on 08/30/2012 9:40:07 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ilgipper

Thats the problem with losertarians sooner or later their true liberal leanings sprout like a wart for all to see.


39 posted on 08/30/2012 9:41:38 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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