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Gun ID legislation may trigger exodus of gunmakers Remington, Colt
Fox News.com ^ | August 28, 2012 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 08/28/2012 2:10:15 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright

Two venerable American gun manufacturers — Remington and Colt — could head for the West their weapons helped win if New York and Connecticut force them to implement microstamping technology.

Microstamping, or ballistic imprinting, is a patented process that uses laser technology to engrave a tiny marking of the make, model and serial number on the tip of a gun’s firing pin to allow an imprint of that information on spent cartridge cases. Supporters of the technology say it will be a “game changer,” allowing authorities to quickly identify the registered guns used in crimes. Opponents claim the process is costly, unreliable and may ultimately impact the local economies that heavily depend on the gun industry, including Ilion, N.Y., where Remington Arms maintains a factory, and Hartford, Conn., where Colt's manufacturing is headquartered.

“Mandatory microstamping would have an immediate impact of a loss of 50 jobs,” New York State Sen. James Seward, a Republican whose district includes Ilion, said, adding that Remington employs 1,100 workers in the town. “You’re talking about a company that has options in other states. Why should they be in a state that’s hostile to legal gun manufacturing? There could be serious negative economic impact with the passage of microstamping and other gun-control laws.”

In March, prior to the recent mass shootings at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo.,  a Sikh temple in Wisconsin and at New York’s iconic Empire State Building, Remington executive Stephen Jackson wrote to New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo warning forced microstamping could prompt the company to “reconsider its commitment to the New York market altogether rather than spend the astronomical sums of money” necessary to reconfigure its manufacturing and assembly processes.

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1 posted on 08/28/2012 2:10:25 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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To: Neil E. Wright

They should all come to the gun friendly states down South, where they probably belong.


2 posted on 08/28/2012 2:15:25 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Neil E. Wright

What morons.

I I decide to knock someone off.

I go to the range, pick up some shell casings the same caliber as I am going to use, shoot the guy and drop the casings I picked up.

Or I use a revolver and no casings will be left at the scene.

What morons.


3 posted on 08/28/2012 2:20:07 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: KoRn

Remington already has an ammunition plant in Lonoke, Arkansas - I’m sure the folks in Arkansas (and the state government) would be more than happy to give them all sorts of incentives to move!

But I have a question - wouldn’t it be simple just to take some fine sandpaper or a polishing wheel and just remove the microprint on the firing pin?

For that matter - wouldn’t the micro engraving eventually be worn out of normal wear? What if the firing pin must be replaced? Would a new one have to be specifically manufactured for THAT gun with all the information engraved?


4 posted on 08/28/2012 2:20:33 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: old curmudgeon
Wrote that in too big a hurry.

I would use a revolver in either case. The only difference in the two scenarios would be whether I dropped the other guy's casings to put the cops on a goose chase.

With a revolver, even if I have to reload, it is a simple matter to put the empties in my pocket.

I can not believe how dumb libs are.

But then anyone who can't write a budget or 4 years, who does not know how to fix the PO, social security and medicare can't fix anything.

5 posted on 08/28/2012 2:25:11 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Neil E. Wright

NE Mississippi would be a good place to locate. Shipping on the Tenn/Tom waterway or a good center point for railroad shipping.


6 posted on 08/28/2012 2:26:53 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: vetvetdoug

I left New York State in 1980.............after having paid 11% tax on my income there.....Went to Texas and never looked back.


7 posted on 08/28/2012 2:30:04 PM PDT by Einherjar
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To: TheBattman

...What I was thinking.

Just replace the firing pin. Just about anyone could easily do it. I’m SURE the law stipulates that new weapons will require the unique firing pins, otherwise it would be a totally useless law, written by legislators that don’t know shit about firearms.(I’m SURE we wouldn’t be surprised. LOL)


8 posted on 08/28/2012 2:31:16 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: old curmudgeon

Use a double barrel shotgun. Can’t do ballistics on buckshot...


9 posted on 08/28/2012 2:31:39 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Ah the liberal mindset. ID for ammo, when it won’t make much difference. No ID for voters when it would.

Glad I won’t be here when they get around to the ID that goes in the right hand or forehead. It can’t be much longer now, things are accelerating.


10 posted on 08/28/2012 2:45:35 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Kimber Manufacturing (my 1911s) is in Yonkers, NY. I’d think that they’d be looking to GTH out of there, too.


11 posted on 08/28/2012 2:48:32 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

The examples I have seen do not appear to be firing pins but another part on the that stamps the area near the rim and does a lot of damage to the cartridge. It might eliminate reloading because of the damage.


12 posted on 08/28/2012 2:48:36 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Neil E. Wright

Texas, the one word for those companies to keep in the front of the minds.

Texas, By the Grace of God.


13 posted on 08/28/2012 2:50:11 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Neil E. Wright

I would LOVE to have them here in Colorado. We have a fantastic manufacturing base, a well educated population, and all the land they could ever need to set up shop and a shooting range (hint, hint).


14 posted on 08/28/2012 2:57:45 PM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: old curmudgeon

They are not dumb. This is not intended to make anyone safer. They are in the process of making everyone a criminal. This is by design. The rules are getting so vast and complicated that no one can possibly follow them. When the honest people are busy trying to follow the law, the tyrants are busy stealing power.


15 posted on 08/28/2012 3:03:20 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: TheBattman

In addition to their ammo plant in Lonoke, Remington has a firearms plant outside Mayfield, Kentucky and their R&D facility is in Elizabethtown, Kentucky (about 2 miles from where I live).


16 posted on 08/28/2012 3:26:30 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: KoRn

Moving to Montana, gonna be a gun manufacturing tycoon...sorry Frank Zappa


17 posted on 08/28/2012 3:35:33 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: KoRn
Hmm, if this new marking technique is made law, and not applied to previously made weapons, then what we now hold will be worth lots more when the new marking system weapons are the only new guns someone can buy!

I have what I consider a better suggestion, concerning gunshows. MAke ALL sales at gunshows have to be background searched, as in, if I as an individual want to sell to another individual at the show, in order to take the weapon out of the show it must have been background checked for buyer background through one of the show kiosks. Every weapon brought in is checked for 'unloaded' condition, so it would not be that much inconvenience to check all going out, to match with ownership or transfer.

18 posted on 08/28/2012 3:36:21 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Dutch Boy

Did you really think we want those laws observed? said Dr. Ferris. We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with. (’Atlas Shrugged’ 1957)


19 posted on 08/28/2012 3:37:44 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1317 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: KoRn

I’m hoping they come to the gun friendly state of Montana — specifically The Flathead Valley where we having a growing gun industry.


20 posted on 08/28/2012 3:40:49 PM PDT by proparapi
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To: null and void

That’s a bit creepy.


21 posted on 08/28/2012 3:47:32 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: buffaloguy

I second that notion.....

Come on down to Texas, where you belong.

Texas, Colt, Remington....has a nice ring to it!!


22 posted on 08/28/2012 3:55:07 PM PDT by Donkey Odious (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Dutch Boy

George Orwell, Ayn Rand, we regard their books as warnings, The left thinks of them as manuals.


23 posted on 08/28/2012 4:02:24 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1317 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Neil E. Wright
It does not impact lawful gun ownership at all.”

That is the last sentence of the article.

What they do not say is the only way to make it work is a database of gun owners by make model and serial number.

Without that there is no way to trace it, so it is also back door gun registration.

24 posted on 08/28/2012 4:05:04 PM PDT by mouser (Run the rats out its the only chance we have)
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To: Neil E. Wright

A file, 30 seconds, and it’s gone. Where does this make any sense? What criminal would leave it in place? This is the stupidest idea I have ever heard of.


25 posted on 08/28/2012 4:15:43 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Little Ray

T-shot penetrates kevlar. That’s why they took it off the market.


26 posted on 08/28/2012 4:17:41 PM PDT by Mormon Cricket
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To: Neil E. Wright

Apparently liberals think that criminals who hot-wire cars, defeat home alarm systems, and steal credit card info are too stupid to use steel wool on firing pins...


27 posted on 08/28/2012 4:19:55 PM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: Dutch Boy

Right.

And the bottom line is that since almost all major crimes, other than crimes of passion, are committed with stolen guns.

And in crimes of passion there is no need to look for the bad guy.

When the cops arrive, he usually is standing there with the smoking gun telling everyone what a SOB the dead guy was.

So many people are Marxists and don’t even know it.


28 posted on 08/28/2012 4:22:13 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Neil E. Wright

Please, Colt and or Remington move to Texas. We are a large firearms market, business friendly, low cost of living, committed to personal freedom and great food. Come on down and you will stay.

And, microstamping wears off in a relative few number of rounds fired. It is bogus dolt technology, only promoted to make people feel safe when they are not.


29 posted on 08/28/2012 4:22:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: buffaloguy

Bump!


30 posted on 08/28/2012 4:24:02 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Donkey Odious

BUMP!


31 posted on 08/28/2012 4:25:08 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: CodeToad
"I would LOVE to have them here in Colorado. We have a fantastic manufacturing base, a well educated population, and all the land they could ever need to set up shop and a shooting range (hint, hint)."

After a look at regulations in some of the remote, sparsely populated counties, they'll probably avoid Calirado.


32 posted on 08/28/2012 4:36:44 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Mormon Cricket

What is T-Shot? Tungsten shot?


33 posted on 08/28/2012 4:42:35 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: familyop

I’m unfamiliar with those regs, so, like what?


34 posted on 08/28/2012 4:45:23 PM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: Neil E. Wright; All

if it is patented then SOMEBODY is going to be making money and the government is picking a croney winner.

WHO PAID who to force people to use this?

the inventor must have been unable to sell it on the free market so now the inventor is forcing the sale of this USELESS tech on the makers.

time to expose the money trail.


35 posted on 08/28/2012 4:56:21 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Neil E. Wright; marktwain; Joe Brower
Micro-stamping:


36 posted on 08/28/2012 5:00:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: TheBattman
But I have a question - wouldn’t it be simple just to take some fine sandpaper or a polishing wheel and just remove the microprint on the firing pin? For that matter - wouldn’t the micro engraving eventually be worn out of normal wear? What if the firing pin must be replaced? Would a new one have to be specifically manufactured for THAT gun with all the information engraved?

The point is back-door gun banning, in slow motion. It will be a felony to sand off the marks. Of course, they will need to be inspected frequently to be sure. YOu will need to bring your guns in, and they will be checked adn tested at your cost. Miss a test, you are a felon. No guns! It will be so legally risky and costly to own a gun, that folks will get rid of them to avoid becoming an accidental felon.

37 posted on 08/28/2012 5:03:40 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Neil E. Wright
I don't think that the Rats in NY and CT are smart enough to understand the consequences of their legislative priorities. On the other hand, they may know that micro-stamping will drive costs higher and make purchases of some weapons out of the reach of lower-income, law abiding citizens, that are just dumb enough to want the government to provide protection from crime. (This is the ultimate form of government dependency.)

There are so many ways around gun control laws. A little knowledge, research and ability provides anyone with the will to completely avoid the government in gun transactions. For instance, and this is completely legal, one could build a M24 (a weapon used by Army snipers), or a close facsimile, without the government knowing. To do so, one needs to buy a Remington 700 for the basis of the M24 build from an individual, not a gun dealer or store. There are 5 million 700's in the US, most of which are used for hunting, so they are sighted in once a year, and if the hunter is skillful, used to take game ... So maybe 30 rounds are passed thought the barrel in a year. Thus, it is easy to purchase a 700 in very good condition to use its action to make an even better weapon. (A model 700, unaltered, is a fine weapon on its own.) The rest of the parts to build a M24 are not controlled or restricted in anyway by law and are readily available over the Internet or at a gun show; where you can use cash for a purchase.

The real danger in NY and CT's anti gun legislation is that the folks that make a good and satisfying living making weapons for Colt and Remington will lose their jobs, or will have to move with their companies. If anti-gun legislation is taken to extremes, those companies will move offshore. Remington and Colt should immediately start talking about moving their operations to Mexico. It would be interesting to see what would happen if Army and Marine sniper weapons and all M16's and most M4's are built in Mexico.

38 posted on 08/28/2012 5:06:38 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (The truth hurts)
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I don’t understand why Colt has not departed Connecticut for better pastuers yet.As a citizen of Connecticut you can’t even by an AR-15 that has any semblence to an M-16.

Not that I need a Bayonet lug or the need to operate it on full-auto.But this Government Dictates that the rifle can’t even have a flash suppressor.What a bunch of worthless SOB’s we have in the STATE Government in Connecticut.

Colt should leave as soon as Possible.


39 posted on 08/28/2012 5:08:08 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Little Ray

Steel buckshot - for geese


40 posted on 08/28/2012 5:34:47 PM PDT by Mormon Cricket
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To: Neil E. Wright

The gun manufacturers should open bids for states that want their business, and do so publicly and loudly. Several states will be more than happy to offer them impressive concessions.

Then the gun manufacturers can buy advertising in their current states, identifying those politicians by name and how much tax money and jobs their state will be losing.

As it comes down to the wire, offer big discounts to the people of their state for guns that do not microstamp, in a “blow out sale”.


41 posted on 08/28/2012 6:11:43 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: old curmudgeon

So they want to put a micro stamp on the face of a firing pin? A swipe of a file or stone will make that go away. More than likely, they would add micro grooves to the barrel when it’s being broached, basically putting a bar code on every round fired. Would be much harder to remove without honing or re-barreling.


42 posted on 08/28/2012 6:59:15 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: CodeToad

The regulations of some of the counties are on the Web. Try Larimer. Try Park. Run “sustainable development,” “open space,” “animal protection,” cattle, “uranium,” “fracking” and like with keywords.


43 posted on 08/28/2012 7:27:38 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: old curmudgeon

this is what happens when people that have no clue about guns decide to make ‘reasonable’ laws re guns


44 posted on 08/28/2012 8:22:57 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: familyop

Well, Larimer isn’t a county I’d put a business. I was think more along the lines of Elbert, Lincoln, or Pueblo counties. Counties like Larimer and Boulder are lost causes to business.


45 posted on 08/28/2012 8:30:26 PM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: KoRn
Just replace the firing pin. Just about anyone could easily do it. I’m SURE the law stipulates that new weapons will require the unique firing pins, otherwise it would be a totally useless law, written by legislators that don’t know shit about firearms.(I’m SURE we wouldn’t be surprised. LOL)

When firing pins have microstamps, only criminals will have replacement firing pins... or didn't you know that. Is that a replacement firing pin in your pocket or is that a pen? I have a search warrant to search your pockets... and a microscope...

46 posted on 08/28/2012 10:30:48 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: CodeToad

The counties you mentioned might be good ones. They’re down on the saner plains, too. Funny...Pueblo Democrats (Action 22 or something like that) were in favor of a uranium exploratory drill up here, on the Range. Local Range Republicans (mostly government pensioners/employees/corporates) were very much against it and stopped it (as they did gas, and so on). That’s not a general statement in favor of Democrats, of course (despise their social-social spending stuff).

It is a statement, though, that many Republicans on the Range are commies at least nearly as much as Democrats. I’ve seen far worse from them. Another public school teacher was firing indiscriminately only about a half hour ago, either to scare or hit another neighbor’s cattle nearby. One of the local socialist herd recently accusing an old ranching family of cruelty to animals (best ranchers around, all of their cattle confiscated, rights to ranching removed by the County/State, grazing land permits/licenses taken).

Public school teacher has 4 calves, 3 horses and more animals unloaded in an old, small corral just today—all on about 70 acres. That’s the third local crazy public school teacher we’ve seen over the past ten years. Each one of them is or was on drugs, too. Police won’t touch ‘em. Tried talking to them before. Public school teachers are untouchables (affiliated in local bureaucracies receiving federal funds, considered to be authorities, etc.).

Best to stay away from hysterical/drugged local government employees insane with social pathologies. Maybe the Range will be quieter after the debt craze has run its course.


47 posted on 08/29/2012 11:15:53 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: CodeToad

About the number of animals on a small place, this is not like the Midwest or even the high plains. Very high, dry land. And the ice will spray hard and get deep this coming winter.


48 posted on 08/29/2012 11:19:27 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop

The liberal garbage is everywhere. I live in a wooded area and we still have liberals talking trash about the liberals in suburbia...only to plant bluegrass in the forest and try to make their place look like a manicured lawn...just like suburbia. One neighbor thought “ladder fuels” and “defensible property” meant to simply strip the trees of all lower branches and clear the land. They ruined a perfectly good piece of forested property. Liberals: A modern word for ‘moron’.


49 posted on 08/29/2012 11:37:49 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: CodeToad

Heh. I might plant a lawn and water it a lot. The place could also use some Astroturf on the sidewalk and porch, and maybe a plastic palm tree. There are no trees around here, so we won’t need to cut a certain distance from the house and cut lower branches further out. But I did build a monster and cut around it like that in a development in Teller in the past.

But I won’t support any regulations against property rights at all. We need more salvage yards on the Range, too, BTW.

Oh...reminds me to put the issue of a new rendering plant to the HOA here next year.

I’m series. We could use a million or so Ozarkians up here (where I once lived). ;-)


50 posted on 08/29/2012 9:51:22 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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