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US Veterans Forcibly Sequestered in Mental Hospitals is Indefinite Detention (Vets Locked Up)
Documenting Reality ^ | August 27, 2012 | Susanne Posel

Posted on 08/28/2012 5:43:40 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

After Special Justice Walter Douglas Stokes sentenced former US Marine Brandon Raub to 30 days detention in the psychiatric ward of the Veterans Hospital, Circuit Court Judge Allan Sharrett dismissed the case citing that the original petition was “devoid of any factual allegations that it could not be reasonably expected to give rise to a case or controversy.”

John Whitehead, attorney for the Rutherford Institute and Raub has stated that since the former Marine’s detention case, he has received numerous stated from other veterans who are being discriminated against. The latest trend is to have our former US service men and women declared mentally ill and detained against their will.

Just as Raub was forcibly detained in a mental ward, another veteran has been taken without charge or criminal activity. His firearms were confiscated and he was given a court date.

In a study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, collaborating with the VA Medical Center, an estimated 1/3rd of veterans returning from Afghanistan and Iraq were determined to be mentally or psychologically ill.

Touting post-traumatic stress disorder (PSTD), more than half of returning veterans are considered suffering from a war-related mental disorder.

The authors of the study explain: “Our results signal a need for improvements in the primary prevention of military service-related mental health disorders, particularly among our youngest service members . . . because they are young, they are more likely to be of lower rank and more likely to have greater combat exposure than their older active-duty counterparts.”

However, the authors do admit that “our results may overestimate the burden of mental health disorders because veterans with mental health disorders may be more likely to seek treatment at a VA facility than those without.” A d v e r t i s e m e n t Most recently is the inception of oppositional defiance disorder (ODD) which is described as a mental disease wherein free thinkers, non-conformists, civil disobedience supporters, those who question authority and are perceived as being hostile toward the government are labeled mentally ill.

Psychiatrics claim that sufferers have “a recurrent pattern of negativistic, defiant, disobedient, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that persists for at least 6 months” which includes:

• Persistent stubbornness • Resistance to directions • Unwillingness to go along with the crowd • Deliberately annoying others • Testing limits by ignoring orders

The RAND Corporation asserts that the cost of caring for mentally ill veterans was more than $12 billion in 2007. Katherine Watkins, senior natural scientist for RAND said: “With some changes, the VA could provide even better and more cost-effective care for the nation’s veterans, as well as serve as a model for other health care systems.”

The RAND Corporation paints US veterans as dangerous because of the degree to which they are mentally affected by their service exposure to war and war-like conditions. The globalist think-tank says veterans are suffering from “schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, posttraumatic stress disorder, major depression, and substance use disorders.”

Doctors have classified Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) as an incurable brain disease that soldiers returning from war suffer from. After having injured the brain during battle, soldiers are being touted as displaying large bursts of anger and depression while having their vital motor skills and memory impacted.

Symptoms of CTE are recognized as memory loss, confusion, impaired judgment, impulse control problems, aggression, depression, and, eventually, progressive dementia.

US veterans, being diagnosed with traumatic brain injury (TBI) are being tracked by the Department of Defense (DoD) because they may display personality changes that could come on without warning and effect their ability to acclimate back into American society.

Researchers are claiming that even mild TBI can develop into CTE, which will cause veterans to possibly become a danger to themselves and those around them.

In 2009, the Office of Intelligence and Analysis published a report entitled Rightwing Extremism, wherein domestic extremists were proposed to be the newest and most dangerous threat to the US since al-Qaeda.

While admitting that they did not have definitive proof that “domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, [however] rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent issues. The economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment.”

The DHS wanted to instill the idea that veterans were being recruited to become “right-wing extremists” upon returned from Iraq and Afghanistan. Janet Napolitano intimated that military veterans could become instruments of domestic terror. When Napolitano’s comments were met with public distain, the DHS amended their assertion that extremist groups were highly-marked; but rather it was a lone wolf type that would carry out the biggest act of domestic terrorism.

Mainstream media has spun the propaganda perfectly by asserting that “the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.”

A plan is unfolding that connects US veterans to the probability of committing horrendous acts of violence. The MSM provides the social dialogue while various federal agencies in collaboration with the US Army are using a medical condition to justify the coming accusations. We have seen this before.

When the US government rolls out marital law, the biggest threat to their total lockdown of America will be the US veteran. Former active duty soldiers are trained in tactical procedures and pose a real risk because they can easily combat the US military that will show up in every city across the entire nation.

In May of this year, Federal Court Judge Katherine Forrest ordered that the US military could not arbitrarily imprison Americans based on alleged terrorist activity in regard to the indefinite detention clause in the NDAA. Although Obama’s lawyers appealed the ruling, the decision still stands.

However, committing an individual to a mental hospital is not illegal. This may be why we are seeing our US veterans being targeted, called mentally ill, and forcibly removed from their homes. Coinciding with the growing number of mentally ill US veterans we are seeing the removal of their firearms and right to even own firearms. This is another scheme the Obama administration is implementing to set the stage for their complete takeover of America after marital law is declared.

Susanne Posel is the Chief Editor of Occupy Corporatism.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mentalhealth; ndaa; psychiatric; veterans
Soviet-style psychiatric incarceration for dissidents - has it already started with our veterans?
1 posted on 08/28/2012 5:43:50 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Naturally, these dangerous returning veterans cannot be allowed to own firearms.

That’s the agenda.


2 posted on 08/28/2012 5:57:57 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Touting post-traumatic stress disorder (PSTD), more than half of returning veterans are considered suffering from a war-related mental disorder.
Sorry, but that description is way over the line. I agree that anyone who's been in combat suffers stress related problems.
But the author makes it sound like the vets become mental midgets, zombies and basket cases. Not so.
3 posted on 08/28/2012 6:01:17 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Persistent stubbornness • Resistance to directions • Unwillingness to go along with the crowd • Deliberately annoying others • Testing limits by ignoring orders

This describes my USMC son stationed in Hawaii.....he has a git er done attitude and is not afraid to take a little heat so his men can be properly trained with the right equipment.....

your average psychiatrist does not understand the military mind......


4 posted on 08/28/2012 6:07:21 AM PDT by Kimmers (Fair isn't everybody getting the same thing, fair is getting what you need to be successful)
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To: Travis McGee
IMHO.

I wonder if this trend of declaring all vets who oppose the current regime will continue once there is a regime change?
After all wasn't dissent a patriotic duty under Bush?

If you want to really have fun with this I think every lawyer involved should show video clips of various dimocrats saying that dissent is patriotic, followed by their client's detention, and then close with what has changed in the last 6 to 8 years?

5 posted on 08/28/2012 6:07:26 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This is consistent with DHS report on terrorism by returning vets. They are trying to make the case.

It has to stop.


6 posted on 08/28/2012 6:07:28 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Psychiatrics claim that sufferers have “a recurrent pattern of negativistic, defiant, disobedient, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that persists for at least 6 months” which includes:

• Persistent stubbornness • Resistance to directions • Unwillingness to go along with the crowd • Deliberately annoying others • Testing limits by ignoring orders

Sounds a lot like our Founding fathers and all the citizens who fought the British during the Revolutionary War.

7 posted on 08/28/2012 6:08:48 AM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: Travis McGee
The economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment.”

I could smell the race-card was going to be played in this propaganda from the Obama Administration's DHS to blacken the image of veterans they want to diminsh and persecute for political purposes.

Who repesents the Veterans in this persecution by their own government??????

8 posted on 08/28/2012 6:11:43 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama - Can you afford to keep him?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“When the US government rolls out marital law, the biggest threat to their total lockdown of America will be the US veteran. Former active duty soldiers are trained in tactical procedures and pose a real risk because they can easily combat the US military that will show up in every city across the entire nation.”

And when pray tell is this supposed to be happening?


9 posted on 08/28/2012 6:16:17 AM PDT by heylady (“Sometimes I wish I could be a Democrat and then I remember I have a soul.”( Deb))
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To: Kimmers
your average psychiatrist does not understand the military mind......

The average psychiatrist is crazier than his patients

10 posted on 08/28/2012 6:18:57 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: oh8eleven
It's not the author, Suzanne Posel, who is asserting that our vets are all psychiatrically disabled; she's quoting AND QUESTIONING this study published by the Archives of Internal Medicine, collaborating with the VA Medical Center.

Posel's point is, that if local judges, VA and Mental Health people are going along with this, it opens up the opportunity to detain almost any vet they want to detain, on the grounds that he or she is likely to "need" psychiatric detention just on grounds of being a combat vet.

In other words, the govt. has the perfect pretext to detain vets who are "dissident," "anti-government," "non-conformist," "have an attitude," etc.

This is exactly what the Soviets did. Their rationale was that if you didn't go along with the enlightened, humane, progressive Communist program, you must be out of your mind.

Then they gave you "treatment" which actually undermined your mental capacity or your sanity.

I am sure certain people allied the present Administration see this as a useful example of how to both destroy and discredit dissidents. Targeting vets will only be the first step, not the last.

11 posted on 08/28/2012 6:21:37 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o
... after marital law is declared.

MARITAL LAW? Martial law, may be the correct term.

I'm not married any more...

Martial law or marital law. They both involve fighting!!!

12 posted on 08/28/2012 6:26:16 AM PDT by WVKayaker (I’m more than happy to accept the dubious honor of being Obama’s “enemy of the week" -Sarah Palin)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

NDAA, passed by both houses


13 posted on 08/28/2012 6:41:44 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Mrs. Don-o

YEs -

and it will spread to include others already on the DHS list of terrorists - including Tea Party folk - and other who are proponants of the Constitution - that’s already in their lexicon.

I have a friend, a long hauler, who is alarmed at the many new ‘prisons’ and ‘detention’ facilities that have oped upped across the country in the pase few years - that are empty - now...and no one is allowed near them.

and one could wonder what all the ‘ghost cities’ in the remoteness of the Mongolian steppes in China are for - google it - they sit empty, yet China continues to build them???


14 posted on 08/28/2012 6:45:59 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does....)
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To: Kimmers

> ... your average psychiatrist does not understand the military mind......

Your average psychiatrist is incapable of thinking or taking independent actions (period).


15 posted on 08/28/2012 6:46:54 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (The First Amendment is a large caliber weapon. USE IT !!!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
US Veterans Forcibly Sequestered in Mental Hospitals is Indefinite Detention (Vets Locked Up)

Are these guys and gals are being re-educated and re-indoctrinated, for opposing emperor 0bama?

After all, didn't the DHS declare that veterans were a "threat"?
Isn't the military training to put down civil insurrection within the US?

Who would've ever thought that this would happen in America, especially to those who served?

And everyone thought the Soviet Union fell in '89.

16 posted on 08/28/2012 6:58:29 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO GTFO!)
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To: OldMissileer

Apparently we need to lock up every teenager in America.


17 posted on 08/28/2012 7:03:17 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: kitchen
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18 posted on 08/28/2012 7:19:01 AM PDT by kitchen (Over gunned is better than the alternative.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Wussifying the troops! I call BS! This is dangerous stuff folks. I already told
My coworkers, only half jokingly that if I disappear for a while with no warning to come find me!


19 posted on 08/28/2012 7:59:50 AM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
she's quoting AND QUESTIONING this study published by the Archives of Internal Medicine, collaborating with the VA Medical Center.
Then I totally agree with her. BTW, even as an old VN vet, I still get asked/told by many other vets to apply for PTSD disability benefits - because they're so easy to get!
Sorry guys, but I have too much pride and honesty to ever take a gov't handout.
20 posted on 08/28/2012 8:13:50 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: opentalk

Passing both Houses doesn’t make it constitutional, legal or right. Also, can someone explain to me how or why these problems with vets can be any more acute when compare to 10 to 20 times their number were exposed to combat for longer and with more intensity and live on as the greatest American Generation? Maybe, it because they didn’t have a victim mentality or that the rest of the country was supportive. Or, one of a hundred other things that have changed in the structure of our society; chief among these the will to win…


21 posted on 08/28/2012 8:51:56 AM PDT by Minutemantek (VETERAN & FREE THINKER)
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To: Minutemantek
Agree, this is bigger than just Obama, Romney has voiced his approval of NDAA. Congress also keeps approving funding for TSA expansion.

U.S. asks judge to undo ruling against military detention law (NDAA)

22 posted on 08/28/2012 9:04:54 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Travis McGee
Naturally, these dangerous returning veterans cannot be allowed to own firearms.

That’s the agenda.

Naturally, those who are not veterans cannot be trusted to vote. That's the better alternative.

Voting and science fiction almost inevitably brings up Robert Heinlein’s novel “Starship Troopers.” In that novel, the voting franchise was limited to “veterans”. A “veteran” was not necessarily someone who had been a soldier, but rather someone who had volunteered for a two-year stint in “Federal Service”. Whether a soldier or not, these service jobs were apparently all fairly hazardous. Only after retiring from federal service could you vote or hold public office. The book focuses mostly on the soldiers, so both fans and critics tend to look on the rule as “only combat veterans get to vote,” even though the book made it clear there were non-military paths.

The argument for this was that the responsibility of voting should be reserved for those who have demonstrated an understanding of individual sacrifice for the greater good, i.e. voting is not about getting something for myself but about getting something for everybody else. Whether or not Heinlein himself felt that the voting franchise should be so restricted, the book makes a fairly passionate argument for it.

23 posted on 08/28/2012 5:14:22 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
if local judges, VA and Mental Health people are going along with this, it opens up the opportunity to detain almost any vet they want to detain,

Considering what my best friend had to go thru back in the 80's to get his vietnam vet brother put into a mental hospital, I'd say this is a move in the right direction.

The brother developed schizophrenia and despite all the attempts by my friend to get the brother help, it wasn't until winter was coming on and the brother was still living on a beach in northern Michigan that he was able to get the local judge to declare the brother incompetent and sent to the state hospital in Traverse City........

Mental illness is not an easy diagnosis and virtually every person who suffers from it is a seperate case. There is no easy answer to the problem nor will there ever be a blanket solution.........

24 posted on 08/28/2012 5:28:12 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: buffaloguy
This is consistent with DHS report on terrorism by returning vets. They are trying to make the case.

It has to stop.

Do not hold your breath. U.S. troops at Ft. Stewart plotted to kill Obama?

25 posted on 08/28/2012 5:54:47 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I see what you’re saying. I would say the abuse can go in either direction: its hard to get real mental health counseling, treatment or therapies for people who are clearly sick and suffering; and all-to-easy to “diagnose” social and political dissent as mental illness, as in the widespread and well-documented, and massive apparatus of Soviet psychiatric abuse.


26 posted on 08/28/2012 6:32:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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