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Rich Lowry: Get Lost - My response to Michael Mann
National Review Online ^ | August 22, 2012 | Rich Lowry, Editor National Review

Posted on 08/22/2012 1:34:32 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

So, as you might have heard, Michael Mann of Climategate infamy is threatening to sue us.

Mann is upset — very, very upset — with this Mark Steyn Corner post, which had the temerity to call Mann’s hockey stick “fraudulent.” The Steyn post was mild compared with other things that have been said about the notorious hockey stick, and, in fact, it fell considerably short of an item about Mann published elsewhere that Steyn quoted in his post.

So why threaten to sue us? I rather suspect it is because the Steyn post was savagely witty and stung poor Michael.

Possessing not an ounce of Steyn’s wit or eloquence, poor Michael didn’t try to engage him in a debate. He sent a laughably threatening letter and proceeded to write pathetically lame chest-thumping posts on his Facebook page. (Is it too much to ask that world-renowned climate scientists spend less time on Facebook?)

All of this is transparent nonsense, as our letter of response outlines.

In common polemical usage, “fraudulent” doesn’t mean honest-to-goodness criminal fraud. It means intellectually bogus and wrong. I consider Mann’s prospective lawsuit fraudulent. Uh-oh. I guess he now has another reason to sue us.

Usually, you don’t welcome a nuisance lawsuit, because it’s a nuisance. It consumes time. It costs money. But this is a different matter in light of one word: discovery.

If Mann sues us, the materials we will need to mount a full defense will be extremely wide-ranging. So if he files a complaint, we will be doing more than fighting a nuisance lawsuit; we will be embarking on a journalistic project of great interest to us and our readers.

And this is where you come in. If Mann goes through with it, we’re probably going to call on you to help fund our legal fight and our investigation of Mann through discovery. If it gets that far, we may eventually even want to hire a dedicated reporter to comb through the materials and regularly post stories on Mann.

My advice to poor Michael is to go away and bother someone else. If he doesn’t have the good sense to do that, we look forward to teaching him a thing or two about the law and about how free debate works in a free country.

He’s going to go to great trouble and expense to embark on a losing cause that will expose more of his methods and maneuverings to the world. In short, he risks making an ass of himself. But that hasn’t stopped him before.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climatechange; climatescience; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; hockeydick; mann; michaelmann; steyn

1 posted on 08/22/2012 1:34:42 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

DISCOVERY!
It means that our side gets to look in their documents.


2 posted on 08/22/2012 1:41:23 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: cruise_missile
DISCOVERY!

Yes it does. I seriously doubt Mann will pursue this.

3 posted on 08/22/2012 1:44:00 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Michael Mann — another first-class embarrassment to Penn State University.


4 posted on 08/22/2012 1:44:18 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

OUCH!


5 posted on 08/22/2012 1:46:58 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Fraudulent?

That hocky stick (and its pseudo-math) wouldn’t get a D in a womyn’s rights class.

It that clown really wants to fight, throw some math at him and watch the “Obamadork in the dark TOTUS” response.


6 posted on 08/22/2012 1:48:05 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Always call their bluff. They’re flailing. When a C&D letter is your best defense ... you’ve already lost.

SnakeDoc


7 posted on 08/22/2012 1:49:20 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I agree!

I think they will back off this pretty quick.


8 posted on 08/22/2012 1:58:37 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Hide the decline (2)
9 posted on 08/22/2012 2:05:29 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“It means intellectually bogus and wrong.”

Hey! Leave my name out of this!


10 posted on 08/22/2012 2:12:08 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
OMG, I hope Mikey does this because it would give us open access to his files and correspondence.

Sigh. But that's why he won't do it.

11 posted on 08/22/2012 2:12:56 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They just called the bully’s bluff.

A true scientist would be excited about the prospect of sharing and explaining his data and analysis.


12 posted on 08/22/2012 2:16:10 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think Michael Crichton (before he died) not only called Mann’s hockey stick chart bogus, he went further and stated the math and statistics behind it was not up to high school or college freshman level. Mann, Hansen and Jones didn’t go after him because they knew they would be destroyed in minutes.


13 posted on 08/22/2012 2:28:43 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

DISCOVERY indeed. I’ll bet Mark Levin’s Landmark Legal
Foundation would be happy to help out having already been
involved with this topic,if memory serves me.

BRING IT!! Ya big dummy. I’m gonna buy some extra JollyTime
popcorn this week...


14 posted on 08/22/2012 2:37:21 PM PDT by americas.best.days...
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Michael Mann should be in a jail cell with Jerry Sandusky.


15 posted on 08/22/2012 2:44:48 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

(( ping ))


16 posted on 08/22/2012 2:46:16 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Anyone know what happened to the Va AG’s (Cuchinelli - check spelling!) law suit against UVA & Mann?
17 posted on 08/22/2012 2:58:55 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Good luck. I remember reading when this whole thing broke, that the original raw data no longer exists. Which, of course, is very convenient. Of course, not being able to produce the original data would prove to be very embarrassing in itself.
18 posted on 08/22/2012 3:11:44 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Sgt_Schultze
And the original: Hide the decline (original)
19 posted on 08/22/2012 3:45:51 PM PDT by CedarDave (Palin/Ryan -- both should have been at the top of the ticket and not play second fiddle to GOPe)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I think THIS Michael Mann should sue that other climate-change freak
Michael Mann for giving him a bad name...

20 posted on 08/22/2012 4:48:52 PM PDT by mkjessup (To paraphrase Sir Winston: "if 0bama invaded Hell, I would put in a good word for the Devil")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oh, I thought it was Michael Mann the film/tv producer, and couldn’t figure out the connection.


21 posted on 08/22/2012 7:07:30 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
A true scientist would be excited about the prospect of sharing and explaining his data and analysis.

True scientists want to know what's true, and understand that any worthwhile experiment or analysis is repeatable.

Worthless hacks say, "You won't take my word for it because you just want the world to be destroyed. You're so mean! Mean people suck!"

22 posted on 08/22/2012 7:13:52 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall.)
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23 posted on 08/22/2012 8:54:29 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Tax-chick

Ping for later enviro-weenie rebuttal.


24 posted on 08/22/2012 9:17:14 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Maybe Mr. Mann should’ve thought twice about throwing a rock at this particular hornet nest.


25 posted on 08/22/2012 9:22:54 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Lancey Howard

Ya think he’ll bring the stick??


26 posted on 08/22/2012 9:35:45 PM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
When did Rich Lowry get religion?

I quit reading NRO around 2008.

Back then Lowry was slowly but surely embracing the man made Global Warming hoax.

27 posted on 08/22/2012 11:12:18 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
He sent a laughably threatening letter and proceeded to write pathetically lame chest-thumping posts on his Facebook page. (Is it too much to ask that world-renowned climate scientists spend less time on Facebook?)

It's a demand letter from his lawyer. I've read that it's greatly frowned upon in the legal community to send a demand letter and not follow up with a lawsuit if the demand isn't met.

28 posted on 08/22/2012 11:30:31 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: zeestephen

Just after the Obama election in 2008, Rich Lowry wrote in a piece on NRO, that Republicans claimed that Obama was a socialist, but he, personally, never saw any evidence that Obama was a socialist. I gave up on NRO at that point. I still read it occasionally, but not like I used. I like Jonah Goldberg,and Stanley Kurtz, who used to contribute, but I can’t say much for Rich Lowry. He is indeed, a light weight.


29 posted on 08/22/2012 11:32:09 PM PDT by Eva (Eee)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Michael Mann is "the Jerry Sandusky of climate science".

LMBO!!!!

30 posted on 08/23/2012 12:11:01 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; All

http://www.steynonline.com/5118/stick-it-where-the-global-warming-dont-shine

Steyn and LINKS


31 posted on 08/23/2012 12:48:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

wonderful response from Rich—Wow!


32 posted on 08/23/2012 2:23:04 AM PDT by BamaAndy
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To: Reily

Concerning the court case wherein ATI was attempting to get their hands on Mann’s e-mails archived at UVa, here is an update as of July 26:

http://www.atinstitute.org/american-tradition-institute-v-uva-and-mann-update/


33 posted on 08/23/2012 3:14:01 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

With discovery, they’ll be able to crawl so far up Mann’s scientific butt that he’ll wish they had used an actual hockey stick.


34 posted on 08/24/2012 11:48:41 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: zeestephen; Eva
When did Rich Lowry get religion? I quit reading NRO around 2008.

Back then Lowry was slowly but surely embracing the man made Global Warming hoax.

He is indeed a lightweight.

You have both pegged Needle Nose Lowry correctly. Lowry makes ferrets look absolutely endearing with about the same amount of intellectual heft. His firing of John Derbyshire didn't make him look strong - it defined his weakness. NRO is a shadow of its former self with Ann Coulter's denouncement of "The Girly Men of National Review" still stinging in their ears. Why Steyn hangs around in The Corner is a mystery to me.

TS

35 posted on 08/24/2012 12:00:27 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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