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Breaking- If Akin Remains In, NRSC Will Spend Nothing on MO Senate Race
The Corner at NRO ^ | August 20, 2012 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 08/20/2012 11:37:35 AM PDT by SE Mom

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To: phillyfanatic

For me this is about defeating Obamacare. We need that Senate seat, if not Obamacare stands. For me this isn’t about Akin, this is about controlling the Senate, and we had it won, we freakin had it! When liberals say something idiotic the media protects them, says that people took it out of context. Liberals will always have the media, we don’t have that luxury, that’s just the way that it is. We have one chance to take back the Senate and we have to do it now


51 posted on 08/20/2012 12:02:09 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Arthurio

Well, if he stays in, he’d have to fight his own party without any sort of funding.....I think he needs to admit that this rodeo has ended and go on and find some other adventure elsewhere.


52 posted on 08/20/2012 12:02:09 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: SoFloFreeper

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.


53 posted on 08/20/2012 12:03:12 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: achilles2000

The only thing worse than sheer stupidity is the fools defending sheer stupidity. The majority here are calling this guy an idiot, the minority are the Kool-Aid drinkers.


54 posted on 08/20/2012 12:05:00 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: AuH2ORepublican

You are exactly right. Sorry that he threw away this election cycle, but he can try again later.


55 posted on 08/20/2012 12:05:20 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: achilles2000

It wasn’t just the comment about conception when raped though....wth did he mean about ‘legitimate’ rape? Who decides what rapes are so called legitimate? Sorry but the dude needs to go.


56 posted on 08/20/2012 12:05:56 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: achilles2000; aruanan

Not wussies - COWARDS!

See my post #44

Yes, I understand no one has much stomach to defend yet another from the media and Liberals who will (with the aid and comfort of Republicans and FReepers) ultimately be forced from his position, but they are misguided.

And yet Joe Biden gets a free pass for telling a Black audience, in a faux sothern drawl, that Republicans will put them in chains!

Like using the N-word, apparently somethings are just so hiddeous that they dare never be mentioned! — unless you’re a Liberal.


57 posted on 08/20/2012 12:07:45 PM PDT by Obadiah (If Reagan had another son he would have looked like Paul Ryan.)
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To: jimjohn

This. The reason these organizations are moving so swiftly to denounce this guy is because politically he’s dead in the water. If he remains, McCaskill get’s re-elected....guaranteed.

The GOP’s best chance to pick up the seat is for Akin to go “spend some time with his family” and put Brunner or Steelman in there, beat out McCaskill, take the W, take the Senate and repeal Obamacare next year.


58 posted on 08/20/2012 12:08:21 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: achilles2000

“What Akin said is true. If a woman is actually raped, the female body is less likely to conceive.”


Even if what you say is true (and certainly there are a lot of doctors out there who disagree with the theory), that is not what Akin said: there’s a difference between rape victims being “less likely to conceive” (what you said) and saying that “the body shuts down” making pregnancy “rare.” And that’s before we even get to his use of the phrase “legitimate rape” when he meant to say “forcible rape.”

I am a 100% pro-lifer, and I can explain my position in a way that a child could understand, without having to resort to quasi-scientific theories of the likelihood of conception during a rape:

“An unborn child is an innocent human being, and has the same right to life of any innocent human being, irrespective of how he was conceived. I support the death penalty for rapists (and hope that SCOTUS overrules its ahistorical jurisprudence limiting the use of capital punishment to murder), but I do not support the death penalty for the innocent child.

Our Constitution sets limits on the use of “Corruption of Blood,” since the Framers found it illegitimate to punish a child for the sins of his father. When the state permits the child who is a product of rape to be killed, the state is permitting the child to be killed as punishment for his father’s crime. An unborn child is no less human just because his father was a rapist.”

Had Akin stated the above, he would have been criticized by liberals but would still be on his way to beating McCaskill in November. Instead, he made an outrageous claim that was completely unnecessary, and will result in him losing in November if he stays on the ballot. As much as it pains me to say it, I think that he should step down and let another conservative Republican run.


59 posted on 08/20/2012 12:08:21 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: SE Mom

He’s gone... at least if he has a brain. If he isn’t he just becomes a lightning rod and a distraction for the presidential campaign. I can’t imagin this guy if he’s got a few brain cells firing, won’t be withdrawing within a day or two.


60 posted on 08/20/2012 12:11:09 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: SE Mom

Whether Republican or Democrat, politicians are members of the “Political Class”—more a warning label than an occupational designation.


61 posted on 08/20/2012 12:12:02 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: penelopesire

The Democrat’s would LOVE to fight a battle getting deep into the process of what does or does not constitute “legitimate” rape, that is a conversation they win 100/100 times, at this point discussing anything besides the economy is pretty much a win for them.


62 posted on 08/20/2012 12:13:07 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: achilles2000

YOU ARE A 100% RIGHT.
WHAT HE SAID WAS TRUE.
ALL THOSE FREEPERS AND GOOD REPUBLICANS SHOULD HONOR ONE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH.
I WEAR A BRACELET THAT SAYS,”THE MORE I KNOW PEOPLE,THE MORE I LOVE MY DOG”.


63 posted on 08/20/2012 12:15:42 PM PDT by castlebar lass
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To: HamiltonJay

He has 24 hours to withdraw, otherwise he’s on the ballot permanently and no candidate can replace him.


64 posted on 08/20/2012 12:16:20 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: Ravi

If he drops out republicans can say “Unlike the democrats who allow Biden to make racist remarks and keeps him on the ticket, we do not want idiots running as one of us.”


65 posted on 08/20/2012 12:19:07 PM PDT by Terry Mross (To all my relatives and former friends: Do not contact me if you still love obama.)
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To: achilles2000

The goal of the Tea Party is to start by cleaning house on the GOP side by ridding the party of corruption, poor candidate, lack of inner strength and general stupidity.

Akins is disqualified by at least two of these goals.


66 posted on 08/20/2012 12:21:35 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: achilles2000

“Ignorance, cowardice...what a bunch of heros we have here.”

Nail meet hammer.
Romney’s position is that abortion should be limited to rape and incest.
It sounds like all Akin did was run with that and explain that “rape” means when a woman is sexually assaulted—taken against her will (like Clinton’s many victims).
It sounds like he was addressing the many young career `Elaines’ (Seinfeld) who consider men as “sponge-worthy,” or not.
When her birth control fails and she decides to use the ultimate “birth control” she salves her conscience by telling the people at the child-murdering clinic, “Oh yeah, uh, I was raped. (That’s the ticket: He `raped’ me for six weeks. Then he left me. For a `nice’ girl, the b*****d.)”

“Legitimate rape.” We’re all grownups here; at least I knew what he meant.
He’s getting mau-mau’d and the GOP is caving—as usual. Yep, Republicans have balls the size of BBs.


67 posted on 08/20/2012 12:21:48 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Exactly. For those with short memories, they can Google "Tom Foley" or "Clayton Williams."

How many Freepers (Texans don't count) even remember Clayton Williams?

68 posted on 08/20/2012 12:26:30 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: tumblindice

“Romney’s position is that abortion should be limited to rape and incest.”

~ ~ ~

How evil, pray for Romney’s conversion. Life begins at
conception, God creates a brand new person with a body and a soul.

There are no exceptions for abortion, it is an intrinsic
evil. Abortion is the #1 reason for God’s just judgment coming down on our country and the world.


69 posted on 08/20/2012 12:28:25 PM PDT by stpio
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To: LyinLibs

So you’re argument is that as the Democrats support a total moron as a candidate, we should too?


70 posted on 08/20/2012 12:29:08 PM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Melas; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; sickoflibs
>> Steelman came in 3rd. John Brunner would pick up the nomination if Akin withdraws. <<

The party won't necessarily slate the runner-up from the primary. Oberweis came in 2nd in a field of 8 Republicans during the 2004 U.S. Senate race here in Illinois, and the party wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. (we eventually ended up with Alan Keyes as the "replacement", like 2 monthes after Jack Ryan dropped out of the race)

Happens with House races too. When Tim Baldermann dropped out of the 11th District U.S. House in 2008, they didn't slate the runner up from the primary (Terry Heenan). Instead, the party leaders selected Marty Ozinga, the nephew of a former State Senator, because he was a wealthy buisnessman and could self-finace a general election campaign.

On a personal note, I would prefer Steelman over Brunner (she should have been the nominee in the first place), but this is a real cluster%^&#

71 posted on 08/20/2012 12:29:30 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“This is the same NRSC that endorsed Charlie Crist over Marco Rubio.
In other words, they’re the reason I quit giving to the Republican party and now only give to individual candidates.”
**************************************************************
Yes, that’s the reason I take that (individual candidates) approach. My decision to do that pre-dated the Rubio-Christ race. It went back to when the NRC intervened in a Congressional primary race (between a big-time RINO and a true-conservative primary). The RINO had plenty of national Republican money to slime and tell lies about his challenger. The RINO lost the primary and went on to endorse and campaign for the Democrat in the race. The Democrat won in a close race in the general. Two years later the same true conservative came back to defeat that Democrat and restore “balance to the universe”. The national Republican establishment later did the same in New York state with similar results.

The national Republican groups continue to barrage my family with phone calls and mail despite our repeated (and patient) calm explanations of why they’ll never see another penny from us. That could change of course should a miracle occur and they change their ways. It sure doesn’t look like it.


72 posted on 08/20/2012 12:32:36 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: PhxTM06

...and for those calling us COWARDS:

Yeah, I know what he meant, but he should have been smart enough not to even take such a baited question. Then when making what ‘may have seen to have been a blunder’, he should have IMMEDIATELY cleared it up - and not waited for the firestorm FROM HIS OWN SIDE.

Then he was supposed to be on KMOX to clear it up but, no. Let’s go on Huckabee’s show to do it. The only thing he did was to help Huck’s ratings.

Folks, I live in WNY, but was listening the Rush sub out of KFI in LA. It’s the TOP of every radio station news, and such a slow pitch over home plate that the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue had to jump in about it (oh yeah - something to change the subject, THANK YOU!)

This guy could have cleared this up within 60 mins after the it was said, and a clarification WAS in order.

He didn’t.

He campaign funds will dry up overnight.

The write-in campaign for a replacement begins oh say... right after the evening news in St Louis.

...and he’ll have a come to Jesus moment over dinner with the wife and kids tonight. Only question is will it be before or after the Romney phone call.

- I’m out (and so is Akin)


73 posted on 08/20/2012 12:38:28 PM PDT by jimjohn
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To: spacejunkie2001
who gets to make the call on who replaces akin?

Missouri Republican Party leadership I assume. They aren't going to have another primary.

74 posted on 08/20/2012 12:46:00 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: penelopesire

This is the whole point. Bad enough that he got confused or mis-spoke or whatever it was that he did when speaking about rape itself. Then he piles on when he says a woman’s body can somehow figure out which way to sort it all out...OMG.

I don’t want him waiting until tomorrow- by then the talking points are settled fact. My preference is he resigns TODAY.

Regardless of whether it’s fair or not- we all know there are standards for the right and none for the left- that’s the way it is. I don’t like it- it’s immoral and absurd- but it’s reality.


75 posted on 08/20/2012 12:46:19 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: BillyBoy

So IL Republicans had an Ozinga in the 11th CD and a Zinga in the 17th CD?


76 posted on 08/20/2012 12:49:29 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: SE Mom

what evidence was there they would give him anything any way?


77 posted on 08/20/2012 12:51:15 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: cotton1706; SoFloFreeper
This is the same NRSC that backed the “independent” Murkowski of Alaska after she lost to the Tea Party/GOP primary winner Joe Miller in 2010.

‘Eff the NRSC. I hope Akin toughs it out.

78 posted on 08/20/2012 12:54:27 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Punch a rat.)
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To: bert

I don’t know about “evidence” but the article says that:

“Previously, NRSC had planned to spend $5 million.”


79 posted on 08/20/2012 12:55:53 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Zathras

The factual things he said were true. As for values, the baby hasn’t committed a capital crime.

“Stupid” is often shorthand for “I’m too much of a coward to stand up to liberal mau mauing.”


80 posted on 08/20/2012 1:01:01 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Obadiah

Yes, but part of being a good campaigner is that you think before you speak, and you never say anything in a way that can be sound-bited to make you look bad, especially if you’re a Republican and you know that media is out to get you. Who can forget the whole “Machacha” incident?

But this is true even if you’re not a Republican, just look at how much mileage Republicans are getting out of the “You didn’t build that” comment. Obama is just fortunate that the media covers for him so the fallout is not as bad.

To me this is more a issue about Akin just being a bad candidate, who talks before he thinks it through, which will probably manifest itself in other ways during the campaign.


81 posted on 08/20/2012 1:02:27 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Pregnancy from actual rape is rare.

The medical profession has become highly political, by the way. They often lie these days, and the professional organizations are generally under the control of libtards thanks to affirmative action.


82 posted on 08/20/2012 1:04:14 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: penelopesire

In context, “legitimate” means “actual”. Many women lie about rape. I bet you could figure out the first part and know the second part.


83 posted on 08/20/2012 1:06:45 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: SE Mom

Believe it or don’t but I read the article after I made the post and learned there was $5 million promised. : )


84 posted on 08/20/2012 1:07:59 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: PhxTM06

As I’ve said, in this thread “stupidity” is weenie conservative speak for “I don’t have the balls to stand up against libtards who may call me names.” The kind of person who thinks that Akin’s comment was a “gaffe” probably also believes Mittens when he says he’s a conservative.


85 posted on 08/20/2012 1:12:43 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000

Look..I just listened to the man on Hannity. He sounded like an idiot. If you think this man is the best we can do to advance conservative ideals and get this country back on track financially and morally you are sadly mistaken. We can do much better. Now he threatens to take the whole hope of taking the senate and congress back a much bigger problem to boot.


86 posted on 08/20/2012 1:15:06 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: castlebar lass

I know what he was trying to say. I have also heard the theory put forth that pregnancy is less likely if its a forcible, violent rape as opposed to, say, a date that went bad. But he seems to have forgotten the first rule of holes... when you get to the bottom, stop digging.

He’s running from show to show trying to explain himself, and doing a lousy job of it. He sounds like more of an idiot after the fact than he did when he made the initial comment.


87 posted on 08/20/2012 1:21:02 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Eat Mor Chikin!)
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To: Arthurio

” Akin just appeared on Huckabee and defiantly vowed to remain in til the bitter end.”

.... or 5 PM tomorrow whichever comes first.


88 posted on 08/20/2012 1:25:14 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: SE Mom

I don’t care what this guy has for an explanation. He NEEDS to be thrown under the bus, TODAY.

This has to be as bad of a blunder as a candidate can make. He said it, it’s out there, and he’s done. Remaining in the race is a free seat for the dems, and this year the Congressional+Senate seats are more important than ever, because no matter whomever wins the presidency, we’re gonna have a liberal in office. They will need to be held in check.


89 posted on 08/20/2012 1:25:53 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: SE Mom

The Pubbie establishment is at it again.


90 posted on 08/20/2012 1:28:08 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: jimjohn
Paging Mrs. Palin... please have Ms Steelman pickup the red courtesy phone!

As I recall, John Brunner was second and Steelman was third. So, not sure how things would work if he did drop out, but I doubt Steelman would be on the ballot.

91 posted on 08/20/2012 1:30:05 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Arthurio
Saying that women’s bodies are able to distinguish between voluntary and forced insemination shows he’s out to lunch and needs to go.

:::sigh::: That isn't what he said. Severe stress often prevents conception. It isn't just in situations of rape where that occurs.

Apparently, there are an awful lot of FReepers who don't know a soul who ever had trouble conceiving and had the doctor tell that person to lower their stress level so that they could conceive more easily. I've known plenty, and that advice worked in almost every single case where there was no underlying medical problem. And in those cases where the woman was undergoing fertility treatments, the doctors have told them to keep stress levels as low as possible to increase the chance of conception.

But of course, these doctors don't know anything. Some FReepers, the Pubbie establishment, and the MSM are obviously much more knowledgeable.

92 posted on 08/20/2012 1:35:21 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Obadiah
There's no defense for stupidity. Only an ignorant and arrogant SOB would not step aside to prevent McCaskill from being reelected and jeopardizing elections across the nation.

Todd Akin's idiocy is now international news.

If the MO GOP can force him out, they should. If they can't, someone on the right should mount a write-in campaign.

93 posted on 08/20/2012 1:43:03 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 77 days away.)
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To: SE Mom
I just heard Akin on the Hannity radio program. Akin is NOT going to drop out.

What a selfish jackass.

And I say that as someone who contributed $50 to his campaign even though I do not live in MO.
94 posted on 08/20/2012 1:48:17 PM PDT by fifedom
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To: bert

LOL :) I could retire if I had a dime for every time I’ve done that!


95 posted on 08/20/2012 1:51:58 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: fifedom

He IS a selfish jackass if he stays in ...I can’t believe he’s got advisors who would tell him it’s worth hanging tough. Not for this. Sometimes I think it IS better for us to hang tight if it’s a real principle at stake. It depends on a lot of things, but in this case? Pffttt...there is no defense for this- and further- if this is indicative of how he thinks- we really don’t want him in the Senate.


96 posted on 08/20/2012 1:59:19 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Haha. Yes they did, though I don’t think that was the same election cycle.


97 posted on 08/20/2012 2:19:41 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

I see that it was Zinga in IL-17 in 2006 and Ozinga in IL-11 in 2008. Had they both been successful (which probably would have been the case had they run in 2010 instead), we could have had them co-sponsor a Zinga-Ozinga Act, which surely would have passed both houses irrespective of its content. How could anyone vote against something called the Zinga-Ozinga Act?


98 posted on 08/20/2012 2:35:03 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: achilles2000

That is why democrats win elections. They support each other when mistakes are made. Until we fight like they do, Dems will continue to win


99 posted on 08/20/2012 3:07:04 PM PDT by Buck-I-Guy
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To: SE Mom

What a mess is right. What was he doing so completely off message anyway? He needs to drop out now. So this can quickly be forgotten.


100 posted on 08/20/2012 3:11:01 PM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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