Posted on 08/12/2012 7:08:12 AM PDT by Lucas McCain
No matter what, Republicans are now in the age of Ryan. if Romney wins, Ryan is the next vice president of the United States. If Romney loses, Ryan is the next leader of the Republican Party.
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So Romney choosing Ryan has made him a conservative man of honor, wiping away his decades of liberalism?
Or are we to hope that Romney fades away Ryan becomes the star after eight years of mostly liberalism under Romney, and that somehow Ryan can change everything.
Right on.
Indeed.
If Romney loses, Romney runs again in 2016. If Romney wins, same.
“So Romney choosing Ryan has made him a conservative man of honor, wiping away his decades of liberalism?”
You have trouble with reading comprehension? And thinking skill?
First, I stated or implied nothing about Romney except that he made a good choice for running mate. If Romney loses to Obama, which you evidently prefer, Ryan will effectively become the leader of the Republican Party.
Second, why don’t you Move Forward over to the Obama Campaign and help out making calls or something. They could use your support.
Oh, wait...you’re helping the Obama campaign right here on FR.
What will the old, tired, timid Whig-sector of the Republican Party do when the TEA Party prevails? They will pine for the “good old days of go-along-to-get-along.
Lucas McCain....excellent response. I can understand positions like JimRob who have expressed their displeasure with Romney, but cannot pull the lever out of commitment to their beliefs. Especially given his home in California, that toe will have no impact. While standing with his beliefs, he gives a tip of the cap to the selection of Ryan...essentially credit when it is due. This sniping and active campaigning From Roylene is productive in no way. It gets so old.
The fact is, someone is going to take the oath next January, and it is ignorant to actively work to takedown the only realistic alternative to Obama at every turn. You are correct they would be better off marching down the street to the Obama for America office and volunteering. For some, they are holding out some hope that the convention will be contented with another candidate. I hope some of those folks get a dose of reality afterwards and join the fight.
From all accounts, Romney himself made the decision to select Ryan who is our lead reformer on the entitlements and taxes. Anyone saying there is no difference between Obama and Romney is an absolute fool. Romney just selected Obama’s public enemy number one to his ticket. The choice has not been any more defined since 1980 and 1984.
Just like Sarah Palin was?
For the love of pete, put away your Obama 2012 signs. It’s absolutely disgusting.
I’m hoping that, with Obama gone and a conservative house and senate, our economy is saved and our national security is secured.
Then, in sight years, we can have a Ryan presidency and begin the push-back on the social issues.
With Romney, there is a good chance that he’ll follow the political winds and bend to conservative pressure. There is NO hope of Obama helping us.
What do you hope? For another four years of executive orders, a completely broken military, a bombed Israel, another four years of economic depression, etc?
Yes, I am voting for the less of two evils. But I’m starting to see that the liberals were right. They’ve advanced their cause gradually over 70 years with the ‘boiling frog’ technique and it’s working.
Standing on all-or-nothing principles has gotten us unlimited abortions for everyone, half the population on welfare, a socialist educational system, normalized every perversion, etc.
Romney is not a conservative - or a liberal. He’s an opportunist who really, really wants to be President and has spent huge amounts of his personal fortune trying to get there in the eight years he has been campaigning.
When he was governor of MA, he really, really wanted to be governor - so he sided with the liberal issues popular with liberal MA.
None of his vaunted businesses have been his own - he was a wealthy man from a wealthy family with contacts and he was always part of a group in thses businesses. And he went with the flow.
I don’t think the selection of Ryan means that Romney has become a conservative. I think it means he sat down with his advisers, realized he was never going to get elected with a liberal message or, in fact, no message at all, which was really what he had. Remember that even during the debates, he would wait until somebody spoke before him, usually Newt, and got applause and then he would say “me too.”
And some how, miracle of miracles, the advisers got him to accept the one person who actually has defined conservative ideas and a plan, which Romney was woefully lacking.
So I’m going to wait and see. If Romney really lets Ryan speak and also supports Ryan’s plan, then I’ll vote for him (even though I don’t like the idea of letting a Mormon near the White House, but heck, we already have a non-Christian president).
However, if he does to Ryan what McCain did to Palin, which was to keep her at arms length, not support her and not adopt any of her ideas, I’m not voting for him.
Sarah Palin was given a national stage and became a leader as a result of her being on the ticket. She may not have been a leader within the hierarchy of the GOP, but she became a leader just the same.
I think the Romney hatred is based on being 20% anti-Romney and 80% anti-Mormon.
You need to add a little shilling for zero into your percentages.
Since you apparently have trouble understanding me I will make it simple.
I am not voting for a liberal for president, whether that liberal be Obama or Romney.
Never fear my vote for whoever means nothing, I live in California and Obama has already won this state.
What is disgusting is people who support liberals for president.
I do not.
Never fear my vote means nothing, I live in California and Obama has already won this state.
People change. Sometimes flawed people do a good thing that can redeem them. Heck, sometimes unimpressive people do a very good thing for the wrong reasons.
Picking Ryan is a good thing. It means we really will be talking about debt, deficits, spending, etc. Personally I think it makes it more likely Romney will lose, but the Ryan pick will force what passes as the American public to make a real decision. Do we continue down the path of Europe, California, etc, or do we start thinking about living within our means.
You make some good points.
I can not vote for the lesser of two evils any longer, that is what has gotten us to this point in time.
Ryan is a good guy and a fine choice but he is not at the head of the ticket.
Never fear I live in California so my non vote for either Obama or Romney means nothing.
Very good and interesting points.
I live in California so I am able to vote for anyone I choose and it wont matter, Obama has already bought this state.
After Romney wins - eight years later - Ryan becomes President ...
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