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Black Pastors Oppose President, Democrats on Same Sex Marriage
Townhall.com ^ | August 6, 2012 | Star Parker

Posted on 08/06/2012 5:16:56 AM PDT by Kaslin

Support for same sex marriage is now in the Democratic Party preliminary platform. Once approved by the full platform committee and voted on at the convention, same sex marriage will have the formal support of the Democratic Party.

But as Democrats institutionalize their support for same sex marriage, their relationship with the Party’s most loyal constituency, black Americans, becomes increasingly uneasy.

A new survey just released by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life shows 65 percent of Democrats supporting same sex marriage compared to just 40 percent of blacks.

A group of 3,700 plus black pastors, the Coalition of African-American Pastors, under the leadership of Rev. William Owens, has moved to formally oppose the Democratic Party and President Obama on this issue.

The group is spearheading a “Mandate for Marriage” campaign to gather 100,000 signatures on a petition declaring support for traditional marriage and calling “on President Obama to repudiate his assertion that gay marriage is a civil right.”

These black pastors are not in the business of politics nor are they policy wonks. They are driven by commitment to Biblical truths and the direct challenge to and rejection of these truths by social acceptance of homosexual behavior and same sex marriage.

They don’t see Biblical truths as academic points divorced from the practical realities of life. They see them as the rules that sustain life. And they see the crises spreading in their communities and in our nation as acceptance of these truths fall by the wayside.

HIV/AIDS is devastating black America. Reading the grim statistics from the Center for Disease Control makes clear that this plague is driven, first and foremost, by homosexual behavior.

According to the CDC, “In 2009, African Americans comprised 14% of the US population but accounted for 44% of all new HIV infections….black men accounted for 70% of the estimated new HIV infections among all blacks…black men who have sex with men represented an estimated 73% of new inflections among black men…”

Research abounds showing the importance of intact traditional family life in the education success of children and of overall economic health.

In recent testimony before the Senate Finance Committee, Ron Haskins of the Brookings Institution noted that individuals who follow three rules – complete high school, work full time, and wait until 21 and get married before having a baby – have a 2 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 72 percent chance of being in the middle class.

Since the 1960s, American family life in general has deteriorated with the departure from traditional values and the concomitant growth in government and the welfare state.

But deterioration of black family life has been the most pronounced.

In 2008, according to a Pew Research Center report, 32 percent of black adults were married, compared to 61 percent in 1960.

These black pastors understand that collapse of family, out of wedlock births, single parent households, promiscuity, drugs and crime are the crises undermining black physical and economic health today. And they understand that a society that accepts as valid alternative lifestyles which undermine life sustaining Biblical truths is a society that will inevitably promote and advance this deadly behavior.

And they understand that the weakest communities are the most vulnerable - which means their own communities.

This Coalition of African-American pastors is showing, very much in the spirit of the civil rights movement, that the political choices facing blacks are not limited to deciding which political train to get on. They are jumping up front to influence where the train is going.

It’s high time for blacks to serve up some black tea to the Democratic Party, like the Tea Partiers are doing with Republicans, and move to change the values and direction of the party they have loyally supported but that’s no longer representing their interests.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 2012; blackchurch; blackvote; democrats; elections; homosexualagenda; nobama2012; obama; pastors

1 posted on 08/06/2012 5:17:01 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

All well and good but will it have any real effect on the vote for the Comrade El Presidente Imam Husein Obama ?


2 posted on 08/06/2012 5:22:11 AM PDT by Blado (Democrats - the party of juvenile unresolved daddy issue rage.)
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To: Blado

“All well and good but will it have any real effect on the vote for the Comrade El Presidente Imam Husein Obama ?”

Only if the Republicans mount an “under the radar” campaign to get the word out...and what are the chances of that?

...but that approach did work in CA, when conservatives went into some of the worst areas and told them about Prop. 8...but no, I’m sure the Dems understand the Republicans well enough to know that we’ll never take that step.


3 posted on 08/06/2012 5:26:24 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: Kaslin
A group of 3,700 plus black pastors, the Coalition of African-American Pastors, under the leadership of Rev. William Owens, has moved to formally oppose the Democratic Party and President Obama on this issue.

Not buying it.

Notice the carefully placed wording, "on this issue?" I, for one, am not falling for the idea this anything but posturing. Sure, they'll grumble about 0bama's embrace of homosexuality in all things, but they're not going to desert him on election day.

4 posted on 08/06/2012 5:29:58 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: ScottinVA

this *is* anything...


5 posted on 08/06/2012 5:30:49 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: Kaslin
... the party they have loyally supported but that’s no longer representing their interests

I wonder when she thinks the Democrat Party did represent the interests of black Americans.

This reminds me of the recent Sultan Knish article, in which he pointed out that tomorrow's progressive "truth" rewrites the past today, or something to that effect. To wit, when the Democrats decided that "civil rights" benefitted them, they rewrote history to erase their support for slavery and segregation.

6 posted on 08/06/2012 5:31:04 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Get another cat.)
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To: Kaslin

Bump to the black pastors. Hopefully they are waking up and realizing that the RATS have never had their best interests at heart.


7 posted on 08/06/2012 5:33:02 AM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: Kaslin

I say they all cave, sorry to be so cynical, it`s just that we have their track record to go by.

They were not moved by over 60 million abortions of God`s children. They cared less when God`s Word was basically banned from schools/public square.

Why should we think this will change anything? Sure they are spouting out to agree, but overwhelmingly they still say they would never vote GOP under any circumstance.

The vast majority of Black Democrat Churches have trampled on their Christian heritage and spit on Christ.

I pray for them, God be merciful to me a sinner, but I have no reason to believe that this will change. They still have not shown any remorse for their hand in over 60 million abortions. They as a whole could have prevented all of them. Yes other groups such as Catholic Democrats had the same power had they Loved God also.

Our best hope is that some may stay home, but I think for the most part the Black Church is just a social Club


8 posted on 08/06/2012 5:34:27 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR BUST)
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To: Kaslin

Dear Black Pastors,

You have no real following. Yes, people come to your churches, but they aren’t going to vote against a black Democrat.

I do applaud you for your courage though. It cannot be easy to have taken your stand. But will you take the next step and state that Obama should be defeated?


9 posted on 08/06/2012 5:36:16 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: ScottinVA

I have to agree.

It shows the black Pastors know there is a problem, and they know what the problem is.

It will not stop the from voting for Obama even though he is a part of that problem.


10 posted on 08/06/2012 5:36:27 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Kaslin

With few exceptions, most of these Black pastors are just upset at having privileges based on their ancestry being made equivalent to privileges based on homosexual behavior.


11 posted on 08/06/2012 5:38:55 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Friendofgeorge

that was supposed to read...sure, they are spouting out to a degree


12 posted on 08/06/2012 5:39:05 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR BUST)
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To: ScottinVA

-———Not buying it.———

Walking around money is provided to smooth the ruffled feathers and ease this issue under the rug


13 posted on 08/06/2012 5:41:09 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Kaslin
The Democrat Party doesn't give a crap about what black folks think about homosexuals marrying and in this case they do not have to.
(A group of 3,700 plus black pastors, the Coalition of African-American Pastors,)
I would bet the farm that 96 % of these Pastors congregations vote for Obama regardless!
The Democrats understand this so they can do what ever they want in this issue.
14 posted on 08/06/2012 5:44:58 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Kaslin; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; LMAO; ...
RE :”A new survey just released by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life shows 65 percent of Democrats supporting same sex marriage compared to just 40 percent of blacks.
A group of 3,700 plus black pastors, the Coalition of African-American Pastors, under the leadership of Rev. William Owens, has moved to formally oppose the Democratic Party and President Obama on this issue.
The group is spearheading a “Mandate for Marriage” campaign to gather 100,000 signatures on a petition declaring support for traditional marriage and calling “on President Obama to repudiate his assertion that gay marriage is a civil right.”
These black pastors are not in the business of politics nor are they policy wonks. They are driven by commitment to Biblical truths and the direct challenge to and rejection of these truths by social acceptance of homosexual behavior and same sex marriage.
They don’t see Biblical truths as academic points divorced from the practical realities of life. They see them as the rules that sustain life. And they see the crises spreading in their communities and in our nation as acceptance of these truths fall by the wayside.

Here in liberal Maryland where Dems have an monopoly Republicans got a repeal of the Democrats same-sex marriage law on this years ballot with the help black and hispanic signatures, black preachers.

My totally unofficial survey talking to people tells me that the more (college) educated blacks (typically government related work) are more supportive of gay marriage laws, ie they call marriage equality, and of illegal immigrants than the less educated ones. You can see what liberals are up to.
In the case of illegal immigration they are protected from losing their jobs by their education unlike the others.

15 posted on 08/06/2012 5:48:43 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: Kaslin
IMHO, it's black WOMEN who're the only ones who unabashedly support Obama. That's only because he's "married" to Michelle, and she has that angry "don't mess with me" vibe black women love.

On the other hand, most black men think Obama's a limp-wristed effete sissy. However, because the men don't want to pi$$ off their wives, girlfriends, mothers, or grandmothers, they'll say they support Obama, but will probably skip going to the polls election day.

16 posted on 08/06/2012 5:53:54 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: ScottinVA

Sure, blacks will vote 95% Obama. However, just how many are actually going to the polls? I bet a lot of them aren’t too enthusiastic about voting, and a lot of them will “vote” for Romney by simply staying away.


17 posted on 08/06/2012 5:55:22 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: Kaslin

How many average blacks even here about this?


18 posted on 08/06/2012 6:07:21 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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To: Blado

It won’t have any effect on their support for Obama, simply because they will not repudiate a black man who holds the highest office in the land.

On the other hand, if I’m a young conservative black who wants to participate in politics, I’d go after the candidates below the President in black districts and hang gay marriage around their necks.


19 posted on 08/06/2012 6:23:17 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Kaslin

Although i have seen it coming for years, it is still a shock that same sex marriage could be on any platform.

But if the democrats win in November don,t be suprised if the republicans cave in and we will wind up wondering who the hell we are going to vote for.

Normally i would think that voting for a third party would be just throwing my vote away but if both parties accepts same sex marriage i will vote for a third party.

It is beginning to look like that our enemies are not the people in government or the media but our next door neighbors and our kin, other wise how could any one who even suggested anything like same sex marriage even be considered as being elected to any kind of office.

I believe the only question here is, are the majority of the human race so degenerate that it makes no difference to them? or are they just so much in themselves that they do not see anything happening? or are they just too stupid to be able to go to the polls and place a ballet?.


20 posted on 08/06/2012 6:24:20 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: wildbill

First of all let me congratulate you for being a Black Conservative. You are probably the most hated type in your community.

You therefore have far more courage than I can can even imagine.

There is a black man by the name of Walter Williams who is smarter than any “cracker” I can think of. (Hah, please allow me my twisted sense of humour here. It is my trademark).

Here’s the thing. Obama (who is really a white boy, pretending to be “black” riding the wave of white guilt) will always get 90% of the black vote.

But here’s the clincher — what’s the turnout?

The black turnout will be suppressed, and he will lose this time.


21 posted on 08/06/2012 6:48:36 AM PDT by Blado (Democrats - the party of juvenile unresolved daddy issue rage.)
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To: Blado
All well and good but will it have any real effect on the vote for the Comrade El Presidente Imam Husein Obama ?

I doubt it will, and I can understand why. If the white "race" had been enslaved for several centuries by blacks in the American colonies and then by half the US states, and even after emancipation had endured over a century of 3rd class citizenship we would no doubt vote in the same manner as black voters did in the last election and IMHO will vote again next November. I don't like how I'm pretty sure they will vote next time, but as I said before I can understand why they probably will regardless of what their ministers correctly believe about Ocommy's and his former Baptist pastor's falsified revision of biblical Christianity.

22 posted on 08/06/2012 7:15:01 AM PDT by epow ( "It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." Patrick Henry)
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To: Blado

I wouldn’t want to fly under false colors. If you read the post carefully, I said “IF I’m a...” (Note the IF)

I’m just a guy who used to work in politics expressing an opinion on how this COULD play out politically.


23 posted on 08/06/2012 7:19:44 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Kaslin

If black pastors and blacks in general want to make a point with Obama and the Dim party, they simply need to say we blacks refuse to vote for you. THAT will get their attention.


24 posted on 08/06/2012 7:33:12 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (You can almost hear the footsteps of Jesus. He is right at the door!)
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To: wildbill

2me u r 4evr black


25 posted on 08/06/2012 7:41:31 AM PDT by Blado (Democrats - the party of juvenile unresolved daddy issue rage.)
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To: ScottinVA

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2012/08/04/washposts-miller-media-should-ignore-astroturf-black-pastors-opposing-ob

Are you a paid Obama supporter? You sound remarkably like the WaPo in this article. WaPo telling the sheeple to “ignore” the black pastors must mean they are afraid of losing a big chunk of the black vote. Remember: “First they ignore us. . . “


26 posted on 08/06/2012 7:57:45 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Kaslin

So he’ll get 95% black support instead of 96%?


27 posted on 08/06/2012 8:02:58 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Friendofgeorge

I am a member of a social ministry run strictly by white volunteers but, by far, the majority of the people receiving assistance are black single mothers with multiple children and more on their way.

Have any of the black pastors addressed this outrageous behavior or are they ignoring it because it is part of their “culture”?


28 posted on 08/06/2012 8:03:53 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Kaslin

funny how bama and his thugs never mention this to the black community ,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


29 posted on 08/06/2012 8:37:19 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: sportutegrl
Are you a paid Obama supporter?

Oh, please... now, THAT's the funniest thing I've read all morning!

But no... I'm not "ignoring" the black pastors... I'm just taking their words with a large grain of salt. Remember all those disgruntled PUMAs in 2008, and how they were oh-so-energized to defeat Obama?

And remember... those pastors are saying they're not supporting Obama ON THAT ISSUE. They're not saying they won't support Obama on 6 Nov. That's the level of support (or non-support) that really counts.

30 posted on 08/06/2012 8:43:29 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: RetiredArmy
If black pastors and blacks in general want to make a point with Obama and the Dim party, they simply need to say we blacks refuse to vote for you. THAT will get their attention.

Exactly...

That qualifier, "on this issue" says, "but on the other issues, we got your back."

31 posted on 08/06/2012 8:46:22 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: ScottinVA
[Sure, they'll grumble about 0bama’s embrace of homosexuality in all things, but they're not going to desert him on election day.]

They won't desert him but if they holler loud enough they can create a public scene which Obama will feel compelled to fix. He is very skittish. His decision to “evolve” on this issue was based on pressure from big money donors rather than any personal epiphany. Obama let Joe Biden release a trial balloon on a Sunday morning news show so they could poll before he either walked it back or made it official. But Reverend Owens now wants Obama to choose between Hollywood and Baltimore. The calculation isn't about black votes per se but the image of Obama supporting the values of a decadent elite over the values of his righteous kinsmen. Of course the news media will make every attempt to discourage Owens.

32 posted on 08/06/2012 9:14:56 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Kaslin

Dear Black Christians Who Vote Democrat - Are you starting to get the picture yet?


33 posted on 08/06/2012 9:17:14 AM PDT by opus86
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To: Westbrook

“With few exceptions, most of these Black pastors are just upset at having privileges based on their ancestry being made equivalent to privileges based on homosexual behavior.”

Indeed, I feel they have every right to feel insulted by this.


34 posted on 08/06/2012 9:34:05 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: sickoflibs

sick, you mention blacks are more likely to back gay marriage after attending University.
Is it possible liberal elite ‘educators’ are passing on their biases?

Note research on prejudice against conservatives - link below:

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

“In decisions ranging from paper reviews to hiring, many social and personality psychologists admit that they would discriminate against openly conservative colleagues.”

This finding surprised the researchers. The survey questions “were so blatant that I thought we’d get a much lower rate of agreement,” Mr. Inbar said.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2913870/posts


35 posted on 08/06/2012 9:40:07 AM PDT by GOPJ (...you can't reason somebody out of a position reason didn't get them in to... Freeper Uriah_lost)
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To: Venturer

Because at the end of the day, all that will matter is color of skin. =.=


36 posted on 08/06/2012 9:47:49 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Friendofgeorge

>overwhelmingly they still say they would never vote GOP under any circumstance.

Hopefully they are motivated enough to NOT come out and vote for zero to help offset our own obama enablers that refuse to vote for the Republican candidate.


37 posted on 08/06/2012 9:59:12 AM PDT by soycd
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To: scottjewell

> Indeed, I feel they have every right to feel insulted by this.

But on election day, the overwhelming preponderance of them and their congregations will vote RAT.


38 posted on 08/06/2012 12:00:17 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Kaslin

But...they will vote for him and the Progressives anyway.

IMHO (55 to 45 Obama)


39 posted on 08/06/2012 12:11:05 PM PDT by ripley
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To: Kaslin
It’s high time for blacks to serve up some black tea to the Democratic Party

I'll believe it will happen only after I see it.

40 posted on 08/06/2012 3:19:09 PM PDT by stevem
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To: cranked

Let me hear an Amen.


41 posted on 08/06/2012 3:32:53 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: ScottinVA
Scott, you old cynic, you. Why do you find it so hard to trust the sincerity of these Black pastors? Could it be that they look the other way when 80% of the children born to their congregations are illegitimate?

Or is it that these Bible-Beating Bunko Artists would vote for Obama if he were to marry Larry Sinclair on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial at high noon, with the Minister Farrakhan presiding?

42 posted on 08/07/2012 1:42:58 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Do not listen to Conservative Talk Radio ... until they talk to Sheriff Joe.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Of course!.. How dare I doubt these honorable men who, despite their stated uninvolvement in politics, are quite happy to welcome race pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton into their churches to openly campaign for 0bama?

Dag-gone cynicism hooks me every time!


43 posted on 08/07/2012 4:21:13 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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