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To: opentalk; All

However, another parallel is that views can change radically with new information as happened with Sandusky.

Here is a complete changeover by a scientist who was funded in the past by the Conservative Koch brothers.

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“Humans are almost entirely the cause” of climate change, according to a scientist who once doubted that global warming even existed.

Last year, Richard Muller walked back years of climate change skepticism in light of new research. But Sunday’s comments go one step further.

Muller wrote in an NYT op-ed that after exhaustive research, he believes that an increase of greenhouse gases can be closely linked to the rise in the earth’s temperature. He explains:

Our results show that the average temperature of the earth’s land has risen by two and a half degrees Fahrenheit over the past 250 years, including an increase of one and a half degrees over the most recent 50 years. Moreover, it appears likely that essentially all of this increase results from the human emission of greenhouse gases
However, Muller said that he did not believe that the recent heat waves or Hurricane Katrina were caused by global warming.

Muller, a UCBerkeley professor, founded the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, which receives substantial funding from GOP powerhouse donor Charles Koch.”

Given last winter’s warmth, and this summer’s drought and heat waves, I wonder how many others, are changing their minds.


2 posted on 07/31/2012 3:51:57 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

“Given last winter’s warmth, and this summer’s drought and heat waves, I wonder how many others, are changing their minds.”

As the liberals say when we see record cold: Weather and climate are two different things and individual weather events are not indicative of climate change.


5 posted on 07/31/2012 3:56:17 PM PDT by MeganC (The Cinemark theatre in Aurora, CO is a 'Gun Free Zone'. Spread the word.)
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To: gleeaikin

Well, I believe Muller is half right. The world is becoming warmer. If you go back 70,000 years, where I sit right now was under a mile-thick sheet of ice. So was much of the northern hemisphere. The world has clearly been on a warming trend since then, as it gets back to it’s “normal” temperature. You see, we are still in an “ice age” as there is permanent ice on significant parts of the earth. Paleogeologists believe that has been the case only for about 5% of earth’s history.

The half Muller got wrong was the “mankind is causing this” part. There has been a lot more CO2 in the atomosphere in the past, the world has been a warmer place, and man had nothing to do with it. Nothing at all; we had an alibi. We weren’t here.


7 posted on 07/31/2012 4:14:07 PM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: gleeaikin
The article is about a culture of corruption, and publishing false temperature data. The truth is being suppressed, assuming because it does not jive with the globalist agenda to add a climate tax.
10 posted on 07/31/2012 4:37:33 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: gleeaikin

From the blog of W. M. Briggs, a statistician who critically evaluates papers on both sides of the AGW debate:

“There is nothing new scientifically in Muller’s press releases, except announcements the BEST papers that were long available are still available.

“Muller says, as people in his position have long been saying, that he himself, a one-time skeptic, a veritable prodigal son, has settled “the scientific debate.” The fallacy he makes is to say to himself, “I do not know of any flaws in my work, therefore there are none.” Common enough in academia.

“I imagine the New York Times won’t be publishing a rebuttal; news that is unwelcome is not newsworthy there. So the interesting test will be how much “traction” Muller’s ploy evinces on the left. The perpetually offended will raise a stink—blog posts with lots of exclamation points, arguments that if one skeptic converts all should, pieces filled with angry glee, that sort of thing. But what effect on the citizen? Nothing more than brief interest on a slow news day, and all forgotten next week? Or a resurgence in fear that, if we don’t start taxing and regulating people now, the end is nigh? Tax dollars, see, absorb carbon dioxide.

“Muller has a bit of luck on his side (it’s hot and dry in a few places in the USA this summer; but, for instance, England is cold and wet). Some man will say to himself, “Maybe this guy is right. I had to sweat yesterday.”

Briggs has posited a variety of questions related to the scientific reliability of Muller’s work; Muller has yet to anwer them.


11 posted on 07/31/2012 4:45:29 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: gleeaikin

Complete utter bogus crap that Muller was a skeptic converted by an impartial look at the data.

http://www.populartechnology.net/2012/06/truth-about-richard-muller.html

“If Al Gore reaches more people and convinces the world that global warming is real, even if he does it through exaggeration and distortion - which he does, but he’s very effective at it - then let him fly any plane he wants.”
- Richard Muller, 2008 http://grist.org/article/lets-get-physical/

“There is a consensus that global warming is real. ...it’s going to get much, much worse.” - Richard Muller, 2008 http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/11/physics-the-nex/

“Let me be clear. My own reading of the literature and study of paleoclimate suggests strongly that carbon dioxide from burning of fossil fuels will prove to be the greatest pollutant of human history. It is likely to have severe and detrimental effects on global climate.” - Richard Muller, 2003 http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/13423/page2/

“I was never a skeptic” - Richard Muller, 2011http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blackberry/p.html?id=1072419


13 posted on 07/31/2012 5:17:41 PM PDT by Buckhead
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To: gleeaikin

Beyond Muller’s misrepresentation as to his skeptical bona fides, his recent publicity splash to claim attribution based on his BEST temperature series has been pilloried by warmists, lukewarmists and skeptics alike. There is a comprehensive roundup of these denunciations at www.climatedepot.com.

Among the interesting points, the BEST paper purporting to find no meaningful impact from urban heating in temperature data series was rejected for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research because it was, not to put too fine a point on it, crap. There are links to this story as well at ClimateDepot.com, including the comments of reviewer Ross McKittrick recommending against publication.

You could look it up.


14 posted on 07/31/2012 5:23:22 PM PDT by Buckhead
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To: gleeaikin

You lost ME at “UCBerkeley”!


15 posted on 07/31/2012 5:34:03 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: gleeaikin
“Humans are almost entirely the cause” of climate change, according to a scientist who once doubted that global warming even existed.

Since when does a scientist use the phrase, almost entirely ? And what caused climate change before apes evolved ?

18 posted on 07/31/2012 7:02:44 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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